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post #211 of 252
I followed Lloyd-tx advice and turned off BD live and now they play.
Thanks for the advice.
post #212 of 252
This was a good movie. Hopefully it will be considered for a cinematography nom. The sound was also good, it reminded me very much of an IMAX track as it was a lot of deep bass and good use of surrounds in the way IMAX does it.

The best actors were the two female characters, they were superb. Tom Cruise was not bad.
post #213 of 252
This was a good movie and a purchase for me !!! I really liked story-line for the most part with great acting from the ladies especially and Tom Cruise always seems to hold his own.The ending could have been a bit more powerful for me but still good.

Video- I thought it matched the movie emphasizing an almost lifeless planet and then changing at times to match the other moods. Reminds me of (Prometheus) in the video style .

Audio- This movie was sonically pleasing to my ears. The dialogue was understandable during quiet and loud moments ,the surrounds added the right ambient effects when needed and finally the LFE was not in your face bass (one note) but smooth and low . Finally I have to mention the soundtrack with M83 at the movies ending was good enough to keep me watching to the ending credits.
post #214 of 252
Finally, having had the chance to purchase this and watch it at home, your review, Ralph, on PQ and AQ are dead on! On the other hand, I would add a higher score to the film itself. Maybe it was the fact that my 2nd viewing had me concentrating more on the awesome PQ and AQ than the story, which had me going the 1st and only time I had seen it (at a not-so-good cinema). Tell me, Ralph, I'm sure you've revisited this film in your HT, doesn't it get better every time? I sure am going to give this one multiple plays... Man, the sound, the visual effects, the cinematography, the acting (the three main characters nail it!), and THE MUSIC!!! Great, great stuff here for lovers of sci-fi. Just love, love, love my Oblivion Blu-ray!!! cool.gif
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I do agree, to a point, on your assessment of the somewhat weak plot. But, IMHO, what Freeman masters so well is voice projection; the way his character explains to Jack Harper what he saw in him while preparing the drone, amidst the score, gives a whole lot of weight any ordinary actor just couldn't. Same thing with Melissa Leo...it's her voice and the way it gradually changes (both through her acting chops and editing) throughout the movie...goosebumps, I'm telling ya! As far as I'm concerned, their inclusion was a very wise decision, even if we don't get to see them as much. Also, I was totally floored by the audio in the sequence where Jack & Julia fight off the drones in the canyon: the repeated machine-gun-style firing literally made my couch vibrate, and I have no tactile-transducing-buttkicking stuff attached!!! How awesome is that? (It's just a wood-frame couch atop hard tile-over-cement, FYI.) eek.gif
post #215 of 252
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Finally, having had the chance to purchase this and watch it at home, your review, Ralph, on PQ and AQ are dead on! On the other hand, I would add a higher score to the film itself. Maybe it was the fact that my 2nd viewing had me concentrating more on the awesome PQ and AQ than the story, which had me going the 1st and only time I had seen it (at a not-so-good cinema). Tell me, Ralph, I'm sure you've revisited this film in your HT, doesn't it get better every time? I sure am going to give this one multiple plays... Man, the sound, the visual effects, the cinematography, the acting (the three main characters nail it!), and THE MUSIC!!! Great, great stuff here for lovers of sci-fi. Just love, love, love my Oblivion Blu-ray!!! cool.gif
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I do agree, to a point, on your assessment of the somewhat weak plot. But, IMHO, what Freeman masters so well is voice projection; the way his character explains to Jack Harper what he saw in him while preparing the drone, amidst the score, gives a whole lot of weight any ordinary actor just couldn't. Same thing with Melissa Leo...it's her voice and the way it gradually changes (both through her acting chops and editing) throughout the movie...goosebumps, I'm telling ya! As far as I'm concerned, their inclusion was a very wise decision, even if we don't get to see them as much. Also, I was totally floored by the audio in the sequence where Jack & Julia fight off the drones in the canyon: the repeated machine-gun-style firing literally made my couch vibrate, and I have no tactile-transducing-buttkicking stuff attached!!! How awesome is that? (It's just a wood-frame couch atop hard tile-over-cement, FYI.) eek.gif

Greetings,

I absolutely appreciated it more the second time around Taranteacher. smile.gif

Regards,
post #216 of 252
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

I absolutely appreciated it more the second time around Taranteacher. smile.gif

Regards,

I agree also smile.gif
post #217 of 252
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Originally Posted by Taranteacher View Post

Finally, having had the chance to purchase this and watch it at home, your review, Ralph, on PQ and AQ are dead on! On the other hand, I would add a higher score to the film itself. Maybe it was the fact that my 2nd viewing had me concentrating more on the awesome PQ and AQ than the story, which had me going the 1st and only time I had seen it (at a not-so-good cinema). Tell me, Ralph, I'm sure you've revisited this film in your HT, doesn't it get better every time? I sure am going to give this one multiple plays... Man, the sound, the visual effects, the cinematography, the acting (the three main characters nail it!), and THE MUSIC!!! Great, great stuff here for lovers of sci-fi. Just love, love, love my Oblivion Blu-ray!!! cool.gif
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I do agree, to a point, on your assessment of the somewhat weak plot. But, IMHO, what Freeman masters so well is voice projection; the way his character explains to Jack Harper what he saw in him while preparing the drone, amidst the score, gives a whole lot of weight any ordinary actor just couldn't. Same thing with Melissa Leo...it's her voice and the way it gradually changes (both through her acting chops and editing) throughout the movie...goosebumps, I'm telling ya! As far as I'm concerned, their inclusion was a very wise decision, even if we don't get to see them as much. Also, I was totally floored by the audio in the sequence where Jack & Julia fight off the drones in the canyon: the repeated machine-gun-style firing literally made my couch vibrate, and I have no tactile-transducing-buttkicking stuff attached!!! How awesome is that? (It's just a wood-frame couch atop hard tile-over-cement, FYI.) eek.gif

Don't forget to check out the isolated score at some point which is fantastic as well!!

I agree with you guys about the movie. I enjoyed it both times I have watched, but even more the second. Great release all around and best blind buy this year for me so far! smile.gif
post #218 of 252
Will buy it when price goes down....I enjoyed it in imax.
post #219 of 252
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Don't forget to check out the isolated score at some point which is fantastic as well!!

I agree with you guys about the movie. I enjoyed it both times I have watched, but even more the second. Great release all around and best blind buy this year for me so far! smile.gif

I had totally forgotten about this feature and went and played it over the weekend (one reason being I have to play it for myself alone as others in the house don't appreciate it as much tongue.gif) and it is a real treat! OTOH, my version, purhased in Mexico, contains this feature, "M83 Isolated Score," in DTS 5.1. It is my understanding you guys have it in a lossless version? Not really complaining, as it still sounds great processed to DTS 7.1, but it does beg the question as to why studios would do this---dumbing down audio options---in the first place...unless they'd be trying to help us out as the lossless codec presents the dropouts you and others here have mentioned, Ralph, which I highly doubt! rolleyes.gif Again, great option other titles should include as well. Inception is another title that includes an isolated score and is also really nice! cool.gif
post #220 of 252
This movie has definitely become my personal favorite Reference Video demo (the Audio is superb too). The stunning clarity of the film is just incredible, as well as the DOP's eye in such things as the artistic usage of depth of field and bokeh etc.

As I rewatch older movies that previously were Reference Video material, how much they pale in comparison to Oblivion makes me appreciate the PQ in this movie even more.

Most people are vehemently against digitally erasing grain in older films, and I can agree with that, as the 'scrubbing' tends to also erase detail, but I'm not one who prefers the presence of film grain (or the juddery mess of 24fps) to have a 'filmic' look. AFAIC, if ALL movies could exhibit this kind of grain-free clarity, I'd be happy.

The only negative comment I can make about this movie's PQ is that it's a pity that although the footage was shot in 4k on the Sony F65 camera, the movie wasn't completed in 4k due to cost restraints. They simply downrezzed the 4k in final production for SFX costs amongst other things. This would be an amazing Video demo in 4k if it was natively in 4k.


Max
post #221 of 252
I just found this thread. Another thread I posted in did not much like this movie. I thought it was better than most other posters I guess.
I liked the way the main plot points were shown rather than explained. I liked the more upbeat than we usually get ending.

I think it was Ralph (Great review, Ralph) who mentioned the two lead actresses as giving the standout performances. I agree. Although I think that Cruise is one of those actors whose yoeman efforts always seem to result in believable characters. And I thought Morgan was perfect. Perhaps his voice and stature as an actor makes him seem underused, but the role did not call for more. There were very few actual roles in this film.
I did not even recognize Melissa Leo at first. On the second viewing it was easier to see what nuances she was giving. I can't say more w/o spoilers. (and I have forgotten html spoiler code - I'll work on it.)

The visuals and sounds were excellent. It was a movie that could have used a nice "realistic" translation into 3D. I think it would have added a nice reality to this large story of very few people. To see the vists have more depth and to get more of the sense of the human faces and bodies. I realize it was not the "stick it in your face" kind of movie that is the usual candidate for 3D.

The commentary track is pretty good too.

It was refreshing to see a dystopian movie end in a fashion that seemed to... Well, do I need to use a spoiler here? I'll just say I liked the ending.
post #222 of 252
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I just found this thread. Another thread I posted in did not much like this movie. I thought it was better than most other posters I guess.
I liked the way the main plot points were shown rather than explained. I liked the more upbeat than we usually get ending.

I think it was Ralph (Great review, Ralph) who mentioned the two lead actresses as giving the standout performances. I agree. Although I think that Cruise is one of those actors whose yoeman efforts always seem to result in believable characters. And I thought Morgan was perfect. Perhaps his voice and stature as an actor makes him seem underused, but the role did not call for more. There were very few actual roles in this film.
I did not even recognize Melissa Leo at first. On the second viewing it was easier to see what nuances she was giving. I can't say more w/o spoilers. (and I have forgotten html spoiler code - I'll work on it.)

The visuals and sounds were excellent. It was a movie that could have used a nice "realistic" translation into 3D. I think it would have added a nice reality to this large story of very few people. To see the vists have more depth and to get more of the sense of the human faces and bodies. I realize it was not the "stick it in your face" kind of movie that is the usual candidate for 3D.

The commentary track is pretty good too.

It was refreshing to see a dystopian movie end in a fashion that seemed to... Well, do I need to use a spoiler here? I'll just say I liked the ending.

Greetings,

Great post Cyrano. Thanks for sharing your thoughts... smile.gif


Regards,
post #223 of 252
Cyrano, you're not the only one who thinks 3D would've done some good to this movie! In fact, after thinking long and hard, Kosinski explains he opted to go 2D because (check the Blu-ray extras) of the innovative use of 360-degree screens for projecting the many breathtaking landscapes around the beautiful sets (and actors) and not needing as much green screen CGI, which, IMO, serves this movie better than the other way around. In other words, he would've had to add 3D in a painstaking post-conversion effort, and what's the point of that coming from the director who natively shot Tron: Legacy in stunning 3D. Of course, it's only now that Gravity has shown the world how truly great and realistic 3D-CGI can look (you absolutely have to see that one in 3D!) that we question Kosinski's bidimensional preference, but I still think it was the right thing to do as Oblivion is just gorgeous to the eyes and sounds awesome to boot. Now, in the not-so-long run, there has to be a point where it'll be converted since, last I heard (here on AVSF, obviously! biggrin.gif), 2D-to-3D conversion technology is taking great leaps! Of course, there has to be A LOT of love for a movie to get a stellar 3D treatment (Oblivion will never be as widely accepted as Titanic or Jurassic Park, sorry to admit), but even lesser (to the general public--not to us fans of Sci-Fi/action/etc) movies like i, Robot, Gamer, Top Gun, and Jumper have gotten decent, albeit cheaper, 3D results. Let's just wait till the technology gets good enough to do Oblivion (and many other movies) justice, though I'm in no hurry. cool.gif
post #224 of 252
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Originally Posted by Taranteacher View Post

Cyrano, you're not the only one who thinks 3D would've done some good to this movie! In fact, after thinking long and hard, Kosinski explains he opted to go 2D because (check the Blu-ray extras) of the innovative use of 360-degree screens for projecting the many breathtaking landscapes around the beautiful sets (and actors) and not needing as much green screen CGI, which, IMO, serves this movie better than the other way around. In other words, he would've had to add 3D in a painstaking post-conversion effort, and what's the point of that coming from the director who natively shot Tron: Legacy in stunning 3D. Of course, it's only now that Gravity has shown the world how truly great and realistic 3D-CGI can look (you absolutely have to see that one in 3D!) that we question Kosinski's bidimensional preference, but I still think it was the right thing to do as Oblivion is just gorgeous to the eyes and sounds awesome to boot. Now, in the not-so-long run, there has to be a point where it'll be converted since, last I heard (here on AVSF, obviously! biggrin.gif), 2D-to-3D conversion technology is taking great leaps! Of course, there has to be A LOT of love for a movie to get a stellar 3D treatment (Oblivion will never be as widely accepted as Titanic or Jurassic Park, sorry to admit), but even lesser (to the general public--not to us fans of Sci-Fi/action/etc) movies like i, Robot, Gamer, Top Gun, and Jumper have gotten decent, albeit cheaper, 3D results. Let's just wait till the technology gets good enough to do Oblivion (and many other movies) justice, though I'm in no hurry. cool.gif

Yes. I saw another thread discussing the 3Dness of Oblivion. I will have to watch the extras again and pay better attention this time. smile.gif

And Gravity was excellent. I saw it twice in two different theaters. Great use of 3D.

I'm in no hurry either about a conversion for Oblivion. The visuals are pretty great as-is.
post #225 of 252
Thank RALPH,
Now I know why this film is on the top of your list.
You have a 11.2 processor to review the disc, as I just got my Marantz SR7008 last week and 9.1 set up
Surly that's a great difference from 7.2 and I may add the wide front to have the fun like yours.
post #226 of 252

Just got this from redbox,

let's hope my vtf 3 mk4 handles it well lOl. I'll find out soon this evening. :)

post #227 of 252
I cannot get this blu-ray to load on my Oppo BDP-83. I have the firm ware up to date and have tried clearing persistent storage but no go. All I get is the Universal opening sequence and then nothing. Anyone have any ideas? Bad disc?

Stace
post #228 of 252
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I cannot get this blu-ray to load on my Oppo BDP-83. I have the firm ware up to date and have tried clearing persistent storage but no go. All I get is the Universal opening sequence and then nothing. Anyone have any ideas? Bad disc?

Stace

I read in another post that you should disconnect from the internet or disable BD-Live with this disc if you have a problem playing.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1482702/oblivion-blu-ray-official-avsforum-review/180#post_23631409
post #229 of 252
The version that hbo is playing is cropped. Boo.
post #230 of 252
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The version that hbo is playing is cropped. Boo.

Are you surprised? HBO and Cinemax crop ALL movies. The channel is useless for movie watching. (Except for the undiscriminating viewers)
post #231 of 252
IIRC the only channel I have that doesn't crop is TCM and HDNETMovies. I could be wrong but that is what I have noticed.
post #232 of 252
showtime and TMC don't crop movies.
post #233 of 252
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The version that hbo is playing is cropped. Boo.

Wasn't Oblivion opened up to 1.78 for IMAX presentation? I remember people complaining the BD was 2.35 and not 1.78 like the IMAX.

Is HBO actually cropping or using the 1.78 version?
post #234 of 252
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Wasn't Oblivion opened up to 1.78 for IMAX presentation? I remember people complaining the BD was 2.35 and not 1.78 like the IMAX.

Is HBO actually cropping or using the 1.78 version?

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=218592

"This movie is being released in Digital IMAX. I just came back from a Digital IMAX screening. The entire movie is framed in approximately 1.78:1, though there are brief flashbacks that are framed in 2.40:1. (This is the opposite of Tron: Legacy, which was primarily 2.40:1 but switched to 1.78:1 for the action sequences.)"
Edited by Cyrano - 1/16/14 at 10:33am
post #235 of 252
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=218592

"This movie is being released in Digital IMAX. I just came back from a Digital IMAX screening. The entire movie is framed in approximately 1.78:1, though there are brief flashbacks that are framed in 2.40:1. (This is the opposite of Tron: Legacy, which was primarily 2.40:1 but switched to 1.78:1 for the action sequences.)"

It was shot in widescreen anamorphic 2.35. The IMAX version was a 70mm blow-up.
post #236 of 252
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It was shot in widescreen anamorphic 2.35. The IMAX version was a 70mm blow-up.
I was just quoting the linked article. I can't verify its contents.
I didn't see it in any theatrical release. I bought the Bluray after a Netfix viewing. I think the movie is quite good.
post #237 of 252
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=218592

"This movie is being released in Digital IMAX. I just came back from a Digital IMAX screening. The entire movie is framed in approximately 1.78:1, though there are brief flashbacks that are framed in 2.40:1. (This is the opposite of Tron: Legacy, which was primarily 2.40:1 but switched to 1.78:1 for the action sequences.)"

It was shot in widescreen anamorphic 2.35. The IMAX version was a 70mm blow-up.
Actually, it was shot in neither. They shot it in 4k and then cropped the sides for IMAX and cropped the top and bottom for the 2.40 version:
http://www.fdtimes.com/2013/03/29/claudio-miranda-asc-on-oblivion/
Claudio Miranda in an interview on shooting Oblivion with the Sony F65
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I imagine there was still value in the fact that you were capturing at a higher resolution and down rezzing. Did it have a different look than something that originates at a lower rez?

Yes. You always have a cleaner image starting from something that’s higher. The release of Oblivion is going to be in two formats. IMAX is going to go 1.89:1 and theatrical is going to be 2.40.

So on the F65 you just cropped?

For IMAX we protected the 1.89 headroom and cropped the sides because we knew this would be an IMAX release. And for widescreen, we used the side and cropped top and bottom. It was spherical lens format for both.

I can't wait to see more movies shot with this camera. Its potential is quite incredible. They shot Oblivion in 4k, but the camera has a native 8k sensor, and apparently, with some new firmware, it may be possible to demosaic the original footage in 8k. The release was downres'd to 2k because of the added time and expense it would have cost to do the VFX in 4k. Since the original footage was in 4k though, there exists the possibility that someday, when 4k is common, they may chose to go back and redo the VFX and re-release this in full 4k.


Max
post #238 of 252
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Actually, it was shot in neither. They shot it in 4k and then cropped the sides for IMAX and cropped the top and bottom for the 2.40 version:
http://www.fdtimes.com/2013/03/29/claudio-miranda-asc-on-oblivion/
Claudio Miranda in an interview on shooting Oblivion with the Sony F65
I can't wait to see more movies shot with this camera. Its potential is quite incredible. They shot Oblivion in 4k, but the camera has a native 8k sensor, and apparently, with some new firmware, it may be possible to demosaic the original footage in 8k. The release was downres'd to 2k because of the added time and expense it would have cost to do the VFX in 4k. Since the original footage was in 4k though, there exists the possibility that someday, when 4k is common, they may chose to go back and redo the VFX and re-release this in full 4k.


Max

Hmm I doubt they would consider going back and redoing all the cgi as I doubt there would be a market for this release (I'd get it if they did though biggrin.gif ). Unless CGI gets really really easy and quick to do in the next decade ...seeing how tech changes so fast!

Regarding the F65, I was amazed of the PQ on oblivion. That and the Arri Alexa stuff has been pretty impressive! Regarding the Reds and their "look", I like that look on sci fi like films but for everything else it just seems ..."flat" like on the film Flight.

EDIT: I believe some of After Earth was shot to on the F65. Great cgi and sound but story wise...
post #239 of 252
I watched Oblivion on blu-ray again just a few days ago and found that it has plenty of repeated viewing value for me, plus the audio and video are top notch.

Glad to have it in my collection and do highly recommend it to others.
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I watched Oblivion on blu-ray again just a few days ago and found that it has plenty of repeated viewing value for me, plus the audio and video are top notch.

Glad to have it in my collection and do highly recommend it to others.

Agreed. I think I've watched this at least five times since it's release date. One of my go to movies when I'm demoing the theater.
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