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post #1 of 34
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I currently have a 4.1 setup with a yamaha rx467 receiver, dayton sub 1200, and 4 of the old style b652 speakers, I'm looking to upgrade to 7.1 buy getting some new fronts and a center, and then i'll use the b652's as surrounds.



This is for desktop use so for gaming on a computer/movies.

What are some reccomendations?


I know of so far the new polk monitor 45b's, and the front ported infinity primus 163+ primus 251 center
post #2 of 34
For around $300, I would say a pair of FS52s and a center SP-C22 from Pioneer. Since it is going on a desktop, I would say replace the FS52 with the BS22, total $200 with the center; all rear ported. Every upgrade above that, will be north of $400.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/pioneer-sp-bs22-lr-loudspeaker



For a little over $400, maybe 2 Cambridge audio S30 and S50 center. They have great reviews.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1327952/almost-got-floored-by-cambridge-s30
post #3 of 34
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21 View Post

For around $300, I would say a pair of FS52s and a center SP-C22 from Pioneer. Since it is going on a desktop, I would say replace the FS52 with the BS22, total $200 with the center; all rear ported. Every upgrade above that, will be north of $400.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/pioneer-sp-bs22-lr-loudspeaker



For a little over $400, maybe 2 Cambridge audio S30 and S50 center. They have great reviews.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1327952/almost-got-floored-by-cambridge-s30


How do those pair up to the infinity primus 163/or the polk monitor 45b's/ or dv62si + center?


Also, i can technically put floor standing speakers down. right now my front left and right speaker are infront of me but on each side there 40-43 inches from the surrounds that are on the side of the walls to my left and right. i have my surrounds directly to my left and right so its all kinda close together since this is on a desktop.
post #4 of 34
The best way to answer that is trying it for yourself. If you have Amazon Prime, then audition them, and if not send them back. (This will only work on speakers sold or fulfilled by Amazon).

I have not heard any of those myself, however:

1) I haven't heard much rave about those BIC like i have with the Pioneers and Infinity.

2) The Polk are known to have a Polk sound, which I interpret as if they add too much coloration.

3) Infinity have a bigger following as they've been around longer. They are well reviewed, usually taught as brighter, more power hungry than the Pioneer counterpart. I think Pioneer owners will tell you the Pio's are better, Infinity owners will tell you Infinities are better, so it a toss up. I own the BS-22 and they are great. Infinities wouldn't be an upgrade over these and the opposite is also true. So for the money, I would go with the Pioneers.

It all comes down to what you like the most. If you can spend a little more, those S30 are cheap and people like them a lot. With the little more than that, you would be looking at HSU and Ascends.
post #5 of 34
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Originally Posted by hdnewbie21 View Post

The best way to answer that is trying it for yourself. If you have Amazon Prime, then audition them, and if not send them back. (This will only work on speakers sold or fulfilled by Amazon).

I have not heard any of those myself, however:

1) I haven't heard much rave about those BIC like i have with the Pioneers and Infinity.

2) The Polk are known to have a Polk sound, which I interpret as if they add too much coloration.

3) Infinity have a bigger following as they've been around longer. They are well reviewed, usually taught as brighter, more power hungry than the Pioneer counterpart. I think Pioneer owners will tell you the Pio's are better, Infinity owners will tell you Infinities are better, so it a toss up. I own the BS-22 and they are great. Infinities wouldn't be an upgrade over these and the opposite is also true. So for the money, I would go with the Pioneers.

It all comes down to what you like the most. If you can spend a little more, those S30 are cheap and people like them a lot. With the little more than that, you would be looking at HSU and Ascends.

well i'm debating as the infinity are front ported and my desk is near a wall, but the speakers are a good 4-5 inches from the wall. I'm looking at the s30 now.



How much porting do speakers need? I'm liking the S30/s50 since they are quite compact. i would be able to put the center right on my desk
post #6 of 34
The S30 are supposed to be a step up from the pioneers and Infinity. I think the last 2 are better in bass extensions overall, which is not a problem for you since you have a sub.

To sound well, I would say no less than 6 inches from the back wall but you can play with them.
post #7 of 34
Since you have a sub maybe try some NHT SuperZeros or Superzero IIs for the 3 fronts. I use 5 in my HT (13x14x9) and they do a really good job considering their size and their voicing for music is really, really good.
post #8 of 34
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Originally Posted by Kevin Taylor View Post

I currently have a 4.1 setup with a yamaha rx467 receiver, dayton sub 1200, and 4 of the old style b652 speakers, I'm looking to upgrade to 7.1 buy getting some new fronts and a center, and then i'll use the b652's as surrounds.



This is for desktop use so for gaming on a computer/movies.

What are some reccomendations?


I know of so far the new polk monitor 45b's, and the front ported infinity primus 163+ primus 251 center

Not a fan of polk monitor. I would take the infinity p163 for longer distance and the pioneer bs22 for desktop speakers. I'm not a fan of MTM horizontal centers, so I would skip those. Actually, at that close distance, I wouldn't even bother with 7.1. I would just 2.1 and headphones.

You must have a huge desk.
post #9 of 34
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Originally Posted by Kevin Taylor View Post

well i'm debating as the infinity are front ported and my desk is near a wall, but the speakers are a good 4-5 inches from the wall. I'm looking at the s30 now.



How much porting do speakers need? I'm liking the S30/s50 since they are quite compact. i would be able to put the center right on my desk

I remember reading somewhere that s30 didn't work well as desktop, as being too bright at close range.
post #10 of 34
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I remember reading somewhere that s30 didn't work well as desktop, as being too bright at close range.

I didn't care for the S30 on my desktop. A little fatiguing to me.

A good choice could be the new Wave Crest Audio HLV-1 speakers. They are designed by Dave of Ascend Acoustics. Here is a review which discussed their use for nearfield use: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473975/wave-crest-audio-hlv-1-ascend-designed-budget-bookshelf#post_23501698
post #11 of 34
The wave crest hlv-1 looks to have some potential. I sure like the description, well balanced and developed with concentration on the critical midrange.
post #12 of 34
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Originally Posted by csgamer View Post

I remember reading somewhere that s30 didn't work well as desktop, as being too bright at close range.

I'm a fan of the S30, but wouldn't recommend it as near field speaker. It's a speaker that likes room (I'm currently using them as bedroom speakers and they're exceptional in that situation.)
post #13 of 34
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

I'm a fan of the S30, but wouldn't recommend it as near field speaker. It's a speaker that likes room (I'm currently using them as bedroom speakers and they're exceptional in that situation.)


Ahh, i was under the assumption that they were nearfield speakers.


Also, i am 3 feet away from my current front speakers and they are 4 feet apart. (and they have 5 inches of space behind them)


to the left of me i am 58 inches from my left surround, and 56 inches from my right surround
Edited by Kevin Taylor - 7/23/13 at 3:58am
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post #15 of 34
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Originally Posted by smasher50 View Post

fwiw, nht super zeros http://www.nhthifi.com/Bookshelf-speaker-SuperZero-2-0

86db sensitivity, is my receiver able to power that?
post #16 of 34
When you are listening to speakers in near field, it only takes a couple watts to get you louder than you care to listen. That sensitivity means that with 1 watt of power, the speakers will put out 86dB at 3 feet away. With 2 watts, 89db, with 4 watts, 92dB, etc. Your ears will give up before the receiver/speaker does biggrin.gif
post #17 of 34
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

When you are listening to speakers in near field, it only takes a couple watts to get you louder than you care to listen. That sensitivity means that with 1 watt of power, the speakers will put out 86dB at 3 feet away. With 2 watts, 89db, with 4 watts, 92dB, etc. Your ears will give up before the receiver/speaker does biggrin.gif


alright, well its basically between 3 super zeros(using 1 superzero as a center) or a S30+S50 combo so far.


usage is 50% music, 40% gaming, 10% movies.
post #18 of 34
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Originally Posted by Kevin Taylor View Post

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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

When you are listening to speakers in near field, it only takes a couple watts to get you louder than you care to listen. That sensitivity means that with 1 watt of power, the speakers will put out 86dB at 3 feet away. With 2 watts, 89db, with 4 watts, 92dB, etc. Your ears will give up before the receiver/speaker does biggrin.gif


alright, well its basically between 3 super zeros(using 1 superzero as a center) or a S30+S50 combo so far.


usage is 50% music, 40% gaming, 10% movies.

Using speakers designed to be stood on their tails lying on their sides is not a good idea. The directivity pattern is suboptimal.

A 3.0 or 3.1 system can give you outstanding voice articulation and very good music, but it is best to pick speakers that have a matched center channel speaker.
post #19 of 34
Others have said the S30s may sound harsh in near field, and given the fantastic price on the NHTs, I think they would be a great choice. Additionally, three identical front speakers is the most ideal scenario (assuming you can place the center vertically). Also being sealed makes placement of them much easier than the Cambridge.
post #20 of 34
I would agree with others here. After a lengthy audition process I dismissed the S30s for nearfield use. I wouldn't characterize them as harsh, but a bit bright for nearfield listening. They are great speakers. I would take a serious look at Wave Crest, Ascend CMB-170 SE. A third, and my current favorite nearfield speaker, the EMP Tek E41 (never recommended here, so I'm showing Emp some love). EMP has a couple of economical center channel speakers that would probably pair well, but may put you at around $500 total.

Nearfield listening is a strange animal. More so than other use cases, live auditioning (preferably in your space) is highly recommended. You do not want to get stuck with speakers you don't like. Take advantage of internet-direct company 30 day trials and sacrifice a few extra $ for potential return shipping. Just a thought.
post #21 of 34
Since you mentioned 7.1 setup, I thought you would sit back to watch movies, so I suggested S30s. If it is going to be near field, those may not be the best like others have said. If you'll be sitting at your desk watching movies, you don't have a good space for a 7.1 system, so I advice against that. Like other have said, 3.1 is better suited for the application.
post #22 of 34
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Others have said the S30s may sound harsh in near field, and given the fantastic price on the NHTs, I think they would be a great choice. Additionally, three identical front speakers is the most ideal scenario (assuming you can place the center vertically). Also being sealed makes placement of them much easier than the Cambridge.


I have my SZ laid over on its side for the center and have no issues at all. I agree that vertical would be best I can't hear any adverse affects of laying it on its side.
post #23 of 34
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I'll keep this all in, good learning experience, I at-least want to stay in 5.1 because of the surround sound for gaming, it vastly helps me being able to hear someone coming from my side or behind me.




Are the primus 163's any good? They would work on my desk since they are front ported.
post #24 of 34
Matter of fact, I bought a pair of the NHT SuperZero 2.0 a few hours ago rolleyes.gif Going to use them with a Topping TP23 in nearfield on my desk, and likely will pair them with a compact 8" sub.
post #25 of 34
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Is there anything different between the 2.0 and 2.1? Just noticed there is two.

If there's no difference, I could buy 4 or 5 of them cheaper 2.0 ones to go with my 12" sub.



Do these speakers have a center to go with them? or am i limited to getting a third of the same speaker(which i can do)




Another option i have is just keeping my 4 b652's, grabbing a CCS dayton 3way center for 50$ and selling my headphones off(would get about 400 total for both) and then i can buy some 700-800$ headphones, but i think surround size is better with speakers, even with them being close to me.
Edited by Kevin Taylor - 7/23/13 at 9:37am
post #26 of 34
This post may be helpful: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1482727/fronts-and-center-for-around-300-400#post_23555257

The only difference I see is a slightly lower impedance on the 2.1s, as well as a slightly higher sensitivity. The 2.0s are cheaper cool.gif
post #27 of 34
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

This post may be helpful: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1482727/fronts-and-center-for-around-300-400#post_23555257

The only difference I see is a slightly lower impedance on the 2.1s, as well as a slightly higher sensitivity. The 2.0s are cheaper cool.gif


alright. for me its between the nht's and the s30. I'm debating if i move my computer around i could then be 6 ft away from the monitor which i would think would be enough for the s30's.


Obviously either of these will be an upgrade over my 25$ a pair b652's.
post #28 of 34
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Matter of fact, I bought a pair of the NHT SuperZero 2.0 a few hours ago rolleyes.gif Going to use them with a Topping TP23 in nearfield on my desk, and likely will pair them with a compact 8" sub.

That should be nice. I have the Indeed TA2021S (similar to the Topping TP23 amp, but without the built in DAC). It's been great for nearfield use smile.gif
post #29 of 34
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I've been hearing the the NHT SuperZero 2.0 and 2.1's need a high crossover of 100-140hz, i don't think that would mesh with my dayton sub 1200 subwoofer that well would it?
post #30 of 34
The SuperZero 2.0 needs a crossover of 100hz. That's fine with the Dayton subwoofer which goes up to 140hz.
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