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Schlage vs Yale z-wave locks

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I am in the beginning stages of my home automation planning and I know the first thing I want to do is add a z-wave lock. I've pretty much excluded the kwikset version due to a good amount of not so great reviews, so that leaves me with Schlage and Yale. I first found out about this when I saw the schlage locks and some of their features really makes me want to go with them. Pretty much:

1 time use codes
time limited codes (code can be used from 1pm - 4pm M W and F).

From my limited reading, the above can only be done using Nexia (SChlages online service) and that the Yale can't do that out of the box. My idea is to go with Mi Casa Verde's Vera Lite to start and go from there. I know there are some issues with the Schlage and non-Nexia stuff (it can be a hassle to set it up and you might have to send it in for a firmware update which can take up to 21 days).

My biggest question is whether or not I'l be able to replicate the two features on the Yale, and if not, is it really that big of a deal? Also, I'm curious on just general opinions on the two.

Just as a heads up (and I'm not sure this is possible, but I'm fairly sure it is), is to have the system do things like turn on the foyer light when the door is unlocked (dark foyer until I can get a new door with a glass panel in it). And other things I want the system to eventually do when complete:

Scenes (party mode, cleaning mode (turn all lights on), etc)
Turn off all lights
Unlock doors.
Control fans (using the insteon fanlink user created plugin for the Vera controllers)

And eventually I will likely try and hook it up into the entertainment system, but for now I want to keep it fairly simple. I feel that Mi Casa Verde is the best place to start, but if there are other options, I'd be willing to hear them.
post #2 of 10
I think they can all do 1 time use codes & time limited codes w/ Vera.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R26NKDY4WPY4Y5/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B004F1B24I&nodeID=228013&store=hi

As long as you like lua, Vera should be a good choice for you. I suggest you read up on locks over at their forum.
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
I've never programmed with lua, but there is always a first time for everything. It seems like a nice inexpensive way to get into home automation. I guess I'm gonna go with the Yale locks, though I was hoping to get some more feedback here about which might be better to go with.
post #4 of 10
I've had two of the Schlage Z-Wave locks for over two years now.
One deadbolt, the other is the lever lock. Aside from changing batteries occasionally- they've performed very well.
I like the fact that I can see the lock status from the Vera GUI so if my 87yo mother forgets to lock her apartment door after her aide leaves- I just lock it for her from the web.
I also have a scene setup for our front foyer light to come on at 50% brightness and remain on for two min once a sucessful PIN has been entered into the front door deadbolt- of course the scene only runs after sunset till sunrise. We never walk into a dark house now. I also have a scene that checks the front door lock status at 11pm- if the status is "unlocked" the front foyer light comes on at 100% power and stays on as a warning till we shut it off and lock the front door! I was considering having Vera flash the foyer light if the lock was unlocked at 11pm- but that seemed a bit over the top.

I've also let in my in-laws via the remote GUI when they've needed to get in when we're not there.
Before my mom moved in we rented the apartment- each tenant got a new code- no more changing locks or lost keys or waiting for them to return keys.
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 
Well, I opted to go with the Schlage locks for a few reasons:

1) they match aesthetically my other Schlage "Camelot" locks and door handles (this wasn't a huge factor, but it was considered)
2) I know for a fact the other locks in the house can be keyed to the same key as the new lock (I'm buying all new door locks, so I'll jsut take the normal deadbolts and handsets to a locksmith and say "key them, please smile.gif". This means I can give everyone a key I know will work in all the locks (the way the house is currently set up now).
3). I know and trust Schlage (despite some of the not so great reviews on these locks). I have an older electronic lock (handset, not deadbolt) that has worked well for the past 4 years or so. The rest of my house also has all Schlage locks.

The only thing that concerns me is that when I get it on Wednesday, I won't be able to immediately use it because I'll have to have the firmware to make it work with the non Nexia controller I got (Veralite). I hear it can take 21 days, which makes me a bit upset. Perhaps that process is easier now or hopefully the lock comes with a firmware out of the box that will "just work". I plan on actually messing with it before installing it permanently as I have to be able to get it all setup and ready to go before the GF will be ok with the switch (Even though she hates our locks now cause she swears her key never works, though I can use it just fine).

Replayrob, If you don't mind me asking, did you have to go through the process to get your Schlage locks firmware updated or did it just work out of the box. If you had to send it to them, how was that process and what kind, if any, advice can you give me on starting the process.

Over all I'm excited to start this project. I"ve been wanting to do this for a long time and I'm thinking I'll add a new switch, lamp module or outlet every month for a while (I started with the deadbolt, a Leviton switch and a GE outlet). I'm not sure that the Vera was the way to go as I'm a bit confused on the whole controller/software side of it, but it was cheap enough, relatively, for me to start with that for now since I just want to set up a couple of simple commands and scenes to start.
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
So a small update:

I installed the Schlage lock yesterday and luckily it had the firmware necessary to hookup to to a non Nexia controller. I love it, and it works great, but BOY IS THAT THING LOUD! I knew people said it was loud, but I didn't think it would be that loud. I so far have it turning on the Foyer light when I unlock it and turning the light off afterwards, but since I haven't gotten into LUA, I think i'm limiting myself so far (it has only been on day). In time I'm sure it wiill work. I've already bought some lamp dimmers for the living room, but I think from now on I need to space out my purchases. I'd like to tie it into AV and I'm eager to try the Insteon fan controllers as well (Which use the non mi casa verde insteon plugin).

Anywho, thanks to all who responded. I think I would have preferred the quieter Yale locks, but I'm more than happy with my selection.
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by Sir Meili View Post

Replayrob, If you don't mind me asking, did you have to go through the process to get your Schlage locks firmware updated or did it just work out of the box. If you had to send it to them, how was that process and what kind, if any, advice can you give me on starting the process.
Sorry I didn't check back here- both of my Schlage locks worked with Vera II right out of the box from day one. No updates needed.

Glad you got yours working too!

If one of your locks is the deadbolt- you may want to have Vera check it at some time before you retire for the night and turn on one of your lights so you'll notice it's unlocked.
post #8 of 10
Sounds like the Schlage is working out well for you. For others who may be in a similar situation, I have has a great experience with a Yale touchscreen lock and Vera. (The Vera needed a firmware update but that was pretty simple).

Yale locks are compatible with Kwikset keys (and vice versa) which is useful for rekeying.

For anyone wondering about the reliability of Yale, they are part of a large conglomerate (ASSA ABLOY) which owns most of the leading companies, like HID, that produce electronic locks. And as all their electronic locks are serviced by the same group, you get the same high level of customer service that large commercial customers spending thousands on locks do. Case in point - I had an issue with my Yale lock, and was speaking with a very knowledgeable agent within 60 seconds of calling.
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

Sorry I didn't check back here- both of my Schlage locks worked with Vera II right out of the box from day one. No updates needed.

Glad you got yours working too!

If one of your locks is the deadbolt- you may want to have Vera check it at some time before you retire for the night and turn on one of your lights so you'll notice it's unlocked.

My lock is a deadbolt, but it is the motorized one, so it locks itself if it is unlocked for more than 10 minutes (I'm using the PLEG plugin for Vera to do this). So far so good though. the only issue I have is the volume of the mechanism (it really does sound like a power drill), but I'm getting used to it.
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Originally Posted by scottacus View Post

Sounds like the Schlage is working out well for you. For others who may be in a similar situation, I have has a great experience with a Yale touchscreen lock and Vera. (The Vera needed a firmware update but that was pretty simple).

Yale locks are compatible with Kwikset keys (and vice versa) which is useful for rekeying.

For anyone wondering about the reliability of Yale, they are part of a large conglomerate (ASSA ABLOY) which owns most of the leading companies, like HID, that produce electronic locks. And as all their electronic locks are serviced by the same group, you get the same high level of customer service that large commercial customers spending thousands on locks do. Case in point - I had an issue with my Yale lock, and was speaking with a very knowledgeable agent within 60 seconds of calling.

I'm still considering yale, but only for the reason that I hear they are quiet and I hear it is possible to get them keyed to a Schlage key (through a special order from Yale). I did have to call Schlage though (for the handset I bought), and I also got really fast service and they offered to send out replacement parts withing 1 minute of being on the phone. It really was a nice change compared to some other companies I've dealt with in the past (no related to schlage or home automation, just in general). I'm glad to hear that no matter which route I go, I'll get great customer service smile.gif
post #10 of 10
This is a somewhat newbie question, but I'm considering both lock sets, but no where on either site do they explain how (or if) the door locks work with the deadbolt.

What I would want to do is if someone successfully opens the Deadbolt it unlocks the handle and vice versa. I would prefer not to have them have to enter two codes. Bad enough there are 2 keypads, but entering two codes would be pretty silly.

Is this something I have to handle via the automation routines or are the locks smart enough to talk between and door lock and deadbolt?
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