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post #61 of 80
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Originally Posted by Karl Beem View Post

You must love pretentious douchebags. I think I fast forwarded at least 3 times. Probably should have been more.

And you win the award for the most predictable post ... ever ... tongue.gif
post #62 of 80
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

And you win the award for the most predictable post ... ever ... tongue.gif

Dude, the finale received the most virulently negative reviews I've ever read.
post #63 of 80
I think this show is terrific. Love the characters and the writing. Although I put on the CC to keep up. The acting is wonderful and Sorkin makes it seem realistic yet idealized. I guess I agree with his politics which goes back to West Wing, so I can forgive some of the preachiness. Tea Party = American Taliban, I loved it. Some of the plot is telegraphed, but most not. When Maggie's haircut was referenced early on when she had to interrupt one of the first attorney team interviews, I thought the topic would return, but didn't make the connection and it's importance to her character. There are lots of subplots and relationships that seem so touching. I love the ease with which Sorkin creates depth of the characters, the politics and of course the humor. Wish there were more than 9 episodes per season.
post #64 of 80
The entire show is based upon pretentious dialogue so if you don't like that style of writing, you shouldn't watch the show.
That said, the finale wasn't very good for the most part.
I did like the interplay at the actual newsdesk between Will and Taylor, the running gag about Sloan never getting to say anything and the bit about the rivalry with the DC desk I thought was okay.
As to the personal stuff, the only thing I liked was Sloan and Don.
Please kill Maggie and Jim. Jim is a "good guy" who is stuck doing all sorts of stupid stuff. I couldn't even tell about the resolution (if any) of the congressional race.
Charley Skinner is another insufferable oaf that was way over played this season. The actor, Sam Wateston almost always goes for volume 11.
The centerpiece, Will and Mac, snooze. I don't know if Will's change of heart even made any sense but the thing is that I don't care enough to even pay attention to it.
So I don't know where I stand with this show. If it is about the soap opera, I may not stick with it. If is about the events and the newsroom, I will stay with it.
This season finale was very much about the soap.
post #65 of 80
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Originally Posted by Karl Beem View Post

Dude, the finale received the most virulently negative reviews I've ever read.

LOL ... at this point, I'm not even going to bother to guess where these so-called "reviews" come from ... wink.gif

You had your say. I'd recommend you move on before AVS forum rules are violated and moderators have to move in to clean up a/o lock up. That's the only direction this "discussion" goes from here.

PS: Perhaps the CNN a/o MSNBC comment sections would be more "fruitful" for you.
post #66 of 80
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Originally Posted by Karl Beem View Post

Dude, the finale received the most virulently negative reviews I've ever read.

He may have meant this one: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/15/the-newsroom-season-finale-was-incredibly-disappointing.html
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post #68 of 80
I read those reviews and I wouldn't call them "virulently negative" at all. Their authors were frustrated by the soapy aspects of the show, and how those romantic cliches sometimes overpower the primary narrative. Something with which most of us agree, I'm guessing. But you could tell they were all fans, to one degree or another. There's a reason most of us picked "Red Team III" as the season's best episode and not the finale. That was a brilliant hour of television - Sorkin at his best.

In the final analysis, you either like Sorkin's style or you don't. In my case, his style & substance trump his sometimes deaf ear for romantic comedy. But he clearly likes to write romantic comedy. And if that's the price to get the rest of the stuff in his head, so be it. Maybe next season he'll farm the romance out and play dramaturge, punching up the "will Will or won't he" type dialog where he can best apply his witty wordsmithing. Maybe pigs will fly, too. Aaron don't farm. biggrin.gif
Edited by archiguy - 9/17/13 at 11:59am
post #69 of 80
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I read those reviews and I wouldn't call them "virulently negative" at all. Their authors were frustrated by the soapy aspects of the show, and how those romantic cliches sometimes overpower the primary narrative. Something with which most of us agree, I'm guessing. But you could tell they were all fans, to one degree or another. There's a reason most of us picked "Red Team III" as the season's best episode and not the finale. That was a brilliant hour of television - Sorkin at his best.

In the final analysis, you either like Sorkin's style or you don't. In my case, his style & substance trump his sometimes deaf ear for romantic comedy. But he clearly likes to write romantic comedy. And if that's the price to get the rest of the stuff in his head, so be it. Maybe next season he'll farm the romance out and play dramaturge, punching up the "will Will or won't he" type dialog where he can best apply his witty wordsmithing. Maybe pigs will fly, too. Aaron don't farm. biggrin.gif

Your opinion, not mine. I want to like this show. The finale was really disappointing.
post #70 of 80
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

, punching up the "will Will or won't he" type dialog where he can best apply his witty wordsmithing.. biggrin.gif

Perhaps something like what he will say to Mackenzie before taking her back to his place after the election night hoopla, "Funny thing Mack, can I borrow your cell phone, I need to call my girlfriend to break our date."
post #71 of 80
I got the distinct impression that this episode was a series finale, or at least Sorkin thought it might be. The only evidence to the contrary is a quote from Jeff Daniels that he thought it would be renewed. Anyhow I felt like the relationship stuff was sort of thrown in at the last minute to tie things up. That might have created some non-optimal editing decisions. But I still enjoyed the episode thoroughly and really hope there's more to come.
post #72 of 80
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I got the distinct impression that this episode was a series finale, or at least Sorkin thought it might be. The only evidence to the contrary is a quote from Jeff Daniels that he thought it would be renewed. Anyhow I felt like the relationship stuff was sort of thrown in at the last minute to tie things up. That might have created some non-optimal editing decisions. But I still enjoyed the episode thoroughly and really hope there's more to come.

I got the exact same feeling. Too fast of a wrap up and making amends on major conflicts and tension between characters.

Felt like a big bow to me.

- Rushed proposal with Mac and Will
- Maggie, her roommate and Jim with the sorries.
- Don and Sloan
- Momma's boy does right
- Charlie's 180 and all that

Just felt like a send-off overall.

I must have missed it somehow but did the election call of Michigan turn out to be right or wrong? The lead had dwindled and was actually negative the last I recalled. Did Jim blow it or did the projection end up being correct?
post #73 of 80
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I got the exact same feeling. Too fast of a wrap up and making amends on major conflicts and tension between characters.

Felt like a big bow to me.

- Rushed proposal with Mac and Will
- Maggie, her roommate and Jim with the sorries.
- Don and Sloan
- Momma's boy does right
- Charlie's 180 and all that

Just felt like a send-off overall.

I must have missed it somehow but did the election call of Michigan turn out to be right or wrong? The lead had dwindled and was actually negative the last I recalled. Did Jim blow it or did the projection end up being correct?

The final check of the screen showed that the MI call wound up being "correct" by something like 30 votes ... I think. It was less than 100 anyway.

As for the rest of the finale's "resolutions," keep in mind that this is a TV show and all "resolutions," especially the (ROMs,) can be easily undone ... in a single episode. wink.gif
post #74 of 80
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

The final check of the screen showed that the MI call wound up being "correct" by something like 30 votes ... I think. It was less than 100 anyway.

As for the rest of the finale's "resolutions," keep in mind that this is a TV show and all "resolutions," especially the (ROMs,) can be easily undone ... in a single episode. wink.gif

I know they can be undone, but normally the finale has a cliffhanger or two and a few tie-ups of loose ends whereas I felt this was all tie-ups and far too "happy" in the parting scene to indicate there was certainly a season 3 on the way. Maybe that's because just as of a few weeks ago it wasn't official season 3 was going to happen (I suspect it may still fall apart even though reports from Jeff Daniels are that it's OFFICIAL).
post #75 of 80
Actually I like the idea that the seasons are self contained. They are not burdened with those hangups and can create a full story arc.
post #76 of 80
Well, like most of you here I love the show. The good stuff is beyond brilliant, and the sappy stuff drives me crazy. I thought the penultimate episode was the weakest of the season, and the finale, where they wrapped up all the relationships, was extremely moving, in spite of myself. The fact is that I care about those people, as drawn by Sorkin and those great actors - especially Jeff Daniels, who has more depth than I ever thought possible. The plotting of the serious issues is breathtaking, and of course the dialog is poetry much of the time. Not all.

Interestingly, I have this in common with Will - I'm a registered Republican who thinks the Republican party has completely lost its mind. Admittedly, I registered a long time ago and simply haven't gotten around to abandoning ship. I share Will's reasons for having joined, as he expressed at the end of the show, and I voted for Obama, as I suspect Will, my better-looking doppelganger, did.

This is great television in spite of its warts. I sure hope it's renewed.
post #77 of 80
HBO’s ‘Newsroom’ To Return For Third And Final Season
By NELLIE ANDREEVA | Monday January 13, 2014 @ 12:48pm PST | deadline.com

Four months after Aaron Sorkin’s The Newsroom ended its second season on HBO, the cable news drama is officially a go for a third season, which will be its last. It is set to premiere next fall. Sorkin is back as executive producer/showrunner, with former The Office showrunner Paul Lieberstein joining him and executive producers Alan Poul and Scott Rudin as executive producer in Season 3. I hear Lieberstein already had been working with Sorkin on stories behind the scenes. The official renewal comes after months of talks between Sorkin and HBO, with speculation whether Sorkin would come back given his busy feature schedule. But he just turned in his high-profile Jobs script, and will now focus his attention to giving his HBO series a proper conclusion. “The Newsroom is classic Aaron Sorkin – smart, riveting and thought-provoking,” said HBO Programming president Michael Lombardo. “I’m sure this farewell season will be one to remember.” Returning cast regulars include Jeff Daniels, Emily Mortimer, Sam Waterston, John Gallagher, Jr., Alison Pill, Thomas Sadoski, Dev Patel and Olivia Munn.

http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/newsroom-renewed-final-season-hbo/
post #78 of 80
So maybe the show didn't have big enough ratings to warrant another season but HBO wanted to be friendly with Sorkin, in case there are future projects?
post #79 of 80
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So maybe the show didn't have big enough ratings to warrant another season but HBO wanted to be friendly with Sorkin, in case there are future projects?

Or maybe HBO is less ratings driven than most, and more quality driven? The Sopranos didn't start strong, and The Wire - maybe the best TV series ever - never had a big audience. But those gave HBO a reputation for quality and brought in paying customers. A lot depends on who the decision maker is at the top, and how much he's driven strictly by the bottom line.
post #80 of 80
True, HBO did give second seasons to some shows that didn't do well.

But it also canceled some shows which were well-received, like Enlightened, Deadwood, Rome, etc.

All the cable networks, including non premium ones, are all ramping up development of original series. So there's a lot more competition and more shows being developed. HBO has a much bigger pipeline than it used to have, so they may not see a need to nurture shows indefinitely, like it probably did with The Wire.
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