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Based on two or three reports, it does appear the technical details of HDMI 2.0 have been agreed by the HDMI forum technical working group, but the new standard has not yet been officially announced nor released. I've signed up for a web seminar about HMDI 2.0 scheduled for Aug. 28, so maybe there will be some answers coming soon at to its capabilities. The next generation of Blu-ray is a different story as the spec. is not expected to be complete before very late this year or early in 2014. I really do expect to see support for up to 4-layer discs as well as 2-layer discs (with up to 66 GB capacity on the 2-layer discs), as many BD drives already support these capabilities as part of the BD-XL standard.

As for the audio we'll have to wait and see what the new BD standard supports. In any case, once we go beyond 7.1 channels, at least in the long term, I don't really see BDs needing to settle for bandwidth hungry uncompressed PCM. Rather, a lossless compression scheme would offer the same audio quality and require less storage space on the disc (same reasons why the studios prefer to use DTS HD-MA or Dolby TrueHD instead of PCM when you are talking about 5.1 or 7.1 audio channels).
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Thanks again Ron ;100gb discs will molify the bandwidth requirement certainly [and love my oppo which is most likely xl compatible wink.gif ]. I should clarify the auro3d requirement as the lpcm stream is necessary because of the mixdown situation - the lossless codecs we have now [for good bandwidth reasons as you say ] have to be lpcm or no mixdown for people with less speakers .
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3.2 Mixing and un-mixing of audio-channels
3.2.1 Unique capabilities
The patented Auro-3D Octopus codec is unique in its capability to mix different audio-channels into one
channel and ʻunmixʼ the original separate channels in the decoder at their original audio quality and with
100% channel separation. What this means is that the codec can take different (up to 3) playback formats and
mix/encode them into a PCM-stream with a lower number of channels and un-mix/decode the correct
playback format for the used playback system, without the use of dematrixing techniques as used by most
other codecs

Certainly would prefer more bandwidth be applied to the video with the compressed lossless codecs ; this seems to be what they have in mind - at least in the short term as you say.
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an 9.1 Aurophonic and a 5.1 surround sound mix merged into one 5.1 Auro-encoded PCM-stream (for
BD).
- a 7.1 and 5.1 surround sound mix merged into one Auro-encoded 5.1 PCM-stream (for BD and Digital
Cinema DCP).
http://www.auro-technologies.com/uploads/Auro3D-Octopus-White-Paper-v2-7-20111117.pdf
Haven't had a close look at dolby atmos requirements ; hope it's compressed for everyones sake:) ]
post #122 of 146
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Have any of our European members heard anything about a similar pre-IFA event in Europe (maybe that's the Sony press event someone said is planned for a couple of days before the IFA exhibits open up)?.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1477502/ifa-berlin-2013-gossip-and-live-report-from-germany
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Nope and we won't have confirmation before IFA and blee0120 is right I'm now under NDA for a couple of new exciting projectors.
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No I'm really sorry, but I will give you all here the 4 September.

May not have to wait until CEDIA! biggrin.gif
post #123 of 146
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When I talked to BenQ reps at InfoComm back in June they indicated they would have a W7500 at CEDIA. Well BenQ does not have an exhibit at CEDIA, but I have recently found out they have an off-site at a nearby hotel where they are doing a private showing (by invitation only) to dealers. Its not open to the general public nor to the press. I would assume the products they will have there will include the W7500 and perhaps some other new stuff. Anyone that hears anything about what BenQ has planned for new products, pleased post here.
post #124 of 146
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

When I talked to BenQ reps at InfoComm back in June they indicated they would have a W7500 at CEDIA. Well BenQ does not have an exhibit at CEDIA, but I have recently found out they have an off-site at a nearby hotel where they are doing a private showing (by invitation only) to dealers. Its not open to the general public nor to the press. I would assume the products they will have there will include the W7500 and perhaps some other new stuff. Anyone that hears anything about what BenQ has planned for new products, pleased post here.

Hi,

you have some informations here :

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/1484110
post #125 of 146
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Originally Posted by Thebes View Post

Hi,

you have some informations here :

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/1484110

I'm already familiar with that thread. If anyone learns US pricing for the W7500 or about any other new BenQ products I would request they post info here.
post #126 of 146
Hopefully they will do as Optoma and bring a DLP led unit.
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post #128 of 146



That's Ron's blog. Damn. I fell asleep reading his write up of the Epsons and when I woke up, I fell back asleep reading about the JVCs. He is going to their press conferences in Cedia. Good luck.


Re the write up of the 1100ES update, a big omission was the upgrade includes the Sony 4K server and a Sony tablet programmed to operate it and making HDCP2.2 changes to allow the server to work with the 1000ES. In addition the upgrade will include certain features in the 1100ES not now in the 1000ES. This will be announced at Cedia but I fully expect most will be included in the update. The 1000ES still has a few minor bugs and hopefully these will be fixed in the 1100ES and the 1000ES upgrade will include these fixes as well.
post #129 of 146

I'm sure this has been discussed elsewhere, but I noted this in the new HDMI 2 specs:

"Support for the wide angle theatrical 21:9 video aspect ratio"


Can someone tell me what that means? Thanks.
post #130 of 146
Certain panel manufacturers are offering models with a screen having a 21/9 aspect ratio. Of course the actual resolution is not 21/9 but 2560/1080. So HDMI 2.0 requires support for that resolution and aspect ratio. Its basically 2.37.
Edited by mark haflich - 9/9/13 at 10:44am
post #131 of 146
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Certain panel manufacturers are offering models with a .screen having a 21/9 aspect ratio. Of course the actual resolution is not 21/9 but 2560/1080. So HDMI 2.0 requires support for that resolution and aspect ratio. Its basically 2.37.

I guess I'm still not understanding this. I would think the compatibility of an aspect ratio (so long as it wasn't greater in height or width resolution of the 4K format) would be a matter of scaling, not HDMI compatibility. In other words, so long as it accepted regular 4K signals, it's a matter of the display's scaler, or an external scaler, simply matching the source resolution to the display. If the display is 21/9 aspect ratio or 2560/1080 resolution, a scaler simply re-scales the info to that resolution.

I'm unclear about what HDMI 2 is adding to this equation in terms of "support." Can you clear the cobwebs for me?
post #132 of 146
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

That's Ron's blog. ..........
Re the write up of the 1100ES update, a big omission was the upgrade includes the Sony 4K server and a Sony tablet programmed to operate it and making HDCP2.2 changes to allow the server to work with the 1000ES.................................

Mark - the omission is now corrected in the blog. Thanks for picking this up. I've been on the road for most of the past week so a little hurried.



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Edited by Ron Jones - 9/9/13 at 4:01pm
post #133 of 146
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

I guess I'm still not understanding this. I would think the compatibility of an aspect ratio (so long as it wasn't greater in height or width resolution of the 4K format) would be a matter of scaling, not HDMI compatibility. In other words, so long as it accepted regular 4K signals, it's a matter of the display's scaler, or an external scaler, simply matching the source resolution to the display. If the display is 21/9 aspect ratio or 2560/1080 resolution, a scaler simply re-scales the info to that resolution.

I'm unclear about what HDMI 2 is adding to this equation in terms of "support." Can you clear the cobwebs for me?

It simply means that anamorphic material will be flagged as such and hdmi 2.0 supports sending this metadata flag. This is the same thing as HDMI 2.0 now supporting 4:2:0. It just means that content now has metadata saying what it is even though previous generations of HDMI already unofficially supported it.
post #134 of 146
anyone who is attending cedia, I'd like to hear if Runco is updating their single panel 3D projectors.

The X-200i from last year is an interesting projector, MSRP @ 15K. It sounds like it's basically a re-hash of the current LS5 with 3D thrown in for double the price and a funky, oddball looking case.

I can't find a single person on the internet who has owned this and commented about it. Someone on ebay has one for $10k and can't seem to sell it. I would expect the 3D to be stellar.


any comments on a successor to this model would be appreciated
post #135 of 146
Jason, have you looked at the Digital Projection 3D projectors. They have 2000-8000 lumens. I know the 2D only M-Vision 230 has 3000 lumens and msrp is $6000. I remember looking at one that was called something like M-Vision 400 3D that had 5500 lumens, which would be bright on a unity screen and I bet too bright for you on your 3 gain screen
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Without seeing it...my guess is he wouldn't be happy with the black level/contrast based on his fondness for JVC.

B.
post #138 of 146
For 3D only, it might be something special if the price is right
post #139 of 146
Any updates on Panasonic releasing a new Projector?
post #140 of 146
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Any updates on Panasonic releasing a new Projector?

No, not this year.
post #141 of 146
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Originally Posted by Tom Bley View Post

No, not this year.

Not this year meaning a: We don't have info this year, or b: Panny is not updating their models this year?
post #142 of 146

The HEVC standard, defined by h.265, as it now stands is only a first step and only defines a very basic 4K at 24Hz for 2D video. Amendment 1 to h.265 which is expected to be approved in late 2013 or very early 2014 and is supposed to include 4K at up to 60Hz and also 4K 3D. EoRNcTIt has been reported by an insider that the draft for the additional 4K capabilities is essentially complete and has been agreed by the technical group members responsible for drafting amendment 1 to h.265, so having that completed in time to be referenced by a Blu-ray 4K spec. seems feasible.


Edited by Buchanan4 - 9/30/13 at 9:34am
post #143 of 146
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Originally Posted by mariomp View Post

Not this year meaning a: We don't have info this year, or b: Panny is not updating their models this year?

Hi,

actually, there are not new HT Projectors in the Panasonic range 2013-2014 :

http://www.tos.by/pdf_files/proector_panasonic/projector_llineup_june_2013.pdf
post #144 of 146
They either feel the older one is perfect, that can't make it better and keep the cost down for its target market, or they can't mke enough money selling HT projectors to make an investment in a new projector a sensible business decision. A little secret. The Panny is far from perfect.

Obviously, there is a high probability for them that HT projectors will be treated as they are treating plasmas, no more money into R&D and new product production. They will just continue selling what they presently make. Don't you guys get it. They want to you quality compared to a plasma to buy a piss poor large edge lit LED panel instead. Its a said state that the art has regressed to the PQ of a LCD LED edge lit. Low price over quality or reproduction has become everything. Like VHS over Beta.
Edited by mark haflich - 10/1/13 at 11:52am
post #145 of 146
Huh?
post #146 of 146
Edited my post a bit to perhaps now make it understandable.
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