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post #61 of 133
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

I should have mine today. Hopefully I have some time to hook it up.

Looking forward to your comments...
post #62 of 133
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

horrible pop compressed recordings have peak to average in the 3-6db range.

Have you seen any music with a 3db crest factor? If so I'd like to hear what track has a 3db crest. Also how do you check a tracks crest factor with something like audacity?
post #63 of 133
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Have you seen any music with a 3db crest factor? If so I'd like to hear what track has a 3db crest. Also how do you check a tracks crest factor with something like audacity?
The TT Dynamic Range meter plugin for Foobar will provide the crest factor. The dynamic range number provided is actually the crest factor. You can also use JRiver Media Center V19 to analyze your audio and it will provide the same crest factor value.

You can checkout the DR Dynamic Range database for songs with a crest factor of 3.
post #64 of 133
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Originally Posted by desertdome View Post

The TT Dynamic Range meter plugin for Foobar will provide the crest factor. The dynamic range number provided is actually the crest factor. You can also use JRiver Media Center V19 to analyze your audio and it will provide the same crest factor value.

You can checkout the DR Dynamic Range database for songs with a crest factor of 3.

Thanks! Very interesting link, much appreciated.

Is there something for Winamp that provides the crest factor?
post #65 of 133
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=1179

Artist: Iggy And The Stooges
Album: Raw Power (Remastered Reissue)
Year: 1997

Basically, one of the best albums in history, remastered to also be the most compressed.

Thats right, 0db crest factor on many of the tracks, none better than 2db.
post #66 of 133
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Originally Posted by Freniata View Post

Looking forward to your comments...

This thing is so light compared to my XPA-5. Its amazing to think it puts out twice the power.

I'm a dumbass though. I forgot this thing needs Speakon connectors. They're on their way from Monoprice, but it'll take like 5 days plus the weekend to get them.
post #67 of 133
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

The high frequency problem with Class D has two major components:

(1) Output device issues leading to a rise in high frequency nonlinear distortion
(2) High frequency source impedance issues related to the high level ultrasonic filter which ultimately traces back to switching speed issues with the output devices.

There has been progress in both these areas, and more can be expected.

Current performance of the best class D amplifiers is probably good enough right now so that there should be no audible artifacts.

However there are a lot of class D amps being sold, such as "T-amps" that are legacy designs and have these problems in spades.
new (current) generation of class d have come a long way. the past few years have seen major development being made that improved a lot of problems.
new output devices, new integrated drivers designed specifically for class d switching, with optimized parameters just for audio class d is now widely available.

it should take manufacturers a couple more years before it's used in their products.
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

This thing is so light compared to my XPA-5. Its amazing to think it puts out twice the power.
wimpy SMPS power supply, hence the light weight.
'wimpy' in the sense that it won't be able to sustain the current required to output continuous sine wave at 100% power for more than a few second. good enough for music power, but surely wimpy for sine waves.
post #68 of 133
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Originally Posted by paskal9 View Post

good enough for music power, but surely wimpy for sine waves.

Yeah, I know what you mean. The other night when I sat down to enjoy "Ode to 37 Hz" I was sorely disappointed by the lack of presence... rolleyes.gif

-Suntan
post #69 of 133
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

Yeah, I know what you mean. The other night when I sat down to enjoy "Ode to 37 Hz" I was sorely disappointed by the lack of presence... rolleyes.gif

-Suntan
you should run the program at 30% duty cycle to let the reservoir caps recharge. biggrin.gif
post #70 of 133
"Have you seen any music with a 3db crest factor? If so I'd like to hear what track has a 3db crest. Also how do you check a tracks crest factor with something like audacity?"

load it into audacity. on the left side in the track window there is a little dropdown menu where you can switch from waveform to waveform db. the difference between the light blue and the dark blue is the crest factor.

see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war
post #71 of 133
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

"Have you seen any music with a 3db crest factor? If so I'd like to hear what track has a 3db crest. Also how do you check a tracks crest factor with something like audacity?"

load it into audacity. on the left side in the track window there is a little dropdown menu where you can switch from waveform to waveform db. the difference between the light blue and the dark blue is the crest factor.

see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

Thank you.
post #72 of 133
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Originally Posted by nethien View Post

Just got my Inuke NU 6000, i should have waited a little more. Only 3 weeks ago i was told no scheduled release date yet for this beast in Europe.
One question : in the owner's manual, i did not fond any mention about the exact speaker connector needed to get the power to my DIY subs. I found both 2 pole and 4 pole Neutrik/Speakon connectors. Does the speaker terminal on the Inuke take both or is there a difference ?
Sorry for the thread hijack and noob question.

I use 2 pole speakons on my 6000. You can use either one.

It depends on the amp and what you want to do. Some amps need a 4 pole speakon to be bridged, for example. 4 pole Speakons are sort of like the universal speakon.
post #73 of 133
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

"Have you seen any music with a 3db crest factor?

It would have to be a sine wave or something very similar to a square wave with slight distorition. Music usually has a minimum crest factor of 6 dB.

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If so I'd like to hear what track has a 3db crest.

Very rare. Even sustained organ pedal notes have a higher crest factor than 3 dB.
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Also how do you check a tracks crest factor with something like audacity?"

google on crest factor vst plug
post #74 of 133
Ok, I just hooked up my SEOS towers to the first two channels. Its midnight so I can't really drive them yet.

First impressions... I swear I think these sound better than my XPA-5 so far, even at low volume. These must have lower gain, as I ran Trinnov with each gain knob at half, and it could still use a little more of a twist before calibration.

I'll blast them tomorrow and see how they hold up. So far so good.

Pretty stellar for the price, considering I haven't even hooked my surrounds up to it yet.
post #75 of 133
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Ok, I just hooked up my SEOS towers to the first two channels. Its midnight so I can't really drive them yet.

First impressions... I swear I think these sound better than my XPA-5 so far, even at low volume. These must have lower gain, as I ran Trinnov with each gain knob at half, and it could still use a little more of a twist before calibration.

I'll blast them tomorrow and see how they hold up. So far so good.

Pretty stellar for the price, considering I haven't even hooked my surrounds up to it yet.
are they noisy? say, compared to your average vacuum cleaner?
post #76 of 133
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are they noisy? say, compared to your average vacuum cleaner?

Of course. They have the standard wind tunnel fan in them that needs to be modded. I usually run pro amps a few days to make sure they work before attempting that.
post #77 of 133
Here are the RMS numbers that were hard to find. They weren't on the Behringer site.

8 ohms Impedance, Bridged :(2X) 1250W RMS 1500W Peak
4 ohms Impedance, Bridged :(2X) 2075W RMS 3000W Peak
8 ohms Impedance:(4X) 315W RMS 440W Peak
4 ohms Impedance:(4X) 620W RMS 820W Peak
2 ohms Impedance:(4X) 1040W RMS 1520W Peak

315W is excellent for 8 ohm, and 620W is perfect per channel or bridged to my dual SI's if I want.

I highly doubt those bridged numbers are accurate though.
Edited by bhazard - 9/5/13 at 5:06pm
post #78 of 133
what's the price on it? I just sold me EP4000 and have four 4 ohm Fi IB3 18's
post #79 of 133
I wonder if they will ever come out with a 4 channel iNuke-dsp version?

By the way: I am looking for an iNuke-3000dsp and an iNuke1000dsp. If anyone has a used one for a good price, please PM me!
post #80 of 133
I don't think this amp can do bridged mono.

The back diagram is very confusing, and it doesn't look the same as the previous Inuke and ep4000 versions.

I basically wired +1 and +2 like I did for my EP4000, channels A and C, B and D seem to be bridgeable. I bridged B+D by flipping the switch to bridge, inserted the speakon into output B, and I get no sub sound. Crossovers are on full range.

I could just unscrew my sub and rewire the inside as +1 -1 +2 -2, but I'd really rather not have to do that. Any ideas?

Crap, I can't do that. I have D4 specifically to bridge it. Not sure I'd want to go 2 ohm into 2 channels.
post #81 of 133
Nevermind I think I may have figured it out. I hope. I do have sound now, just not sure if I'm getting full bridged power.

Turns out A+B, and C+D are the bridged channels. It makes more sense, but the diagram doesn't look like it labels them that way.
post #82 of 133
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Nevermind I think I may have figured it out. I hope. I do have sound now, just not sure if I'm getting full bridged power.

Turns out A+B, and C+D are the bridged channels. It makes more sense, but the diagram doesn't look like it labels them that way.
you won't get any sound if you wire them wrong. if it's making a sound across 2 channel (like A+B) it means you're doing it right, and you've increased the output power limit.
the speaker however, only draw as much power as it needs and not any more. and the amp won't send more power than required.

as such, it makes no sense to provide the speakers with kilowatts of power when 50 is enough.
post #83 of 133
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Originally Posted by paskal9 View Post

you won't get any sound if you wire them wrong. if it's making a sound across 2 channel (like A+B) it means you're doing it right, and you've increased the output power limit.
the speaker however, only draw as much power as it needs and not any more. and the amp won't send more power than required.

as such, it makes no sense to provide the speakers with kilowatts of power when 50 is enough.

The bridged channel is for my dual subs. I just can't think of a good way to confirm that I am getting bridged power, and not a single channel's worth. Since the Speakon is wired correctly at +1 and+2, I don't believe single channel output would be possible wired this way.

Either way, my powerful fronts AND dual 18" subs are being run off this one amp, and they sound just as fantastic as they did with the XPA-5 and EP4000. In fact, I think the speakers sound a little better, with less sibilance, which I believe was from the XPA-5's high gain. A tiny, not much noticeable difference, but still for the better.

The only way they could make this better is with built in DSP that can handle less than 20hz for not much more $$$. I could then even ditch my MiniDSP.

Sherwood R-972 (Trinnov) + SEOS Towers + 2x Stereo Integrity 18" subs + SEOS Surrounds + INuke NU4-6000 + MiniDSP = "Cheap", Reference, better than theater sound.
post #84 of 133
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Here are the RMS numbers that were hard to find. They weren't on the Behringer site.

8 ohms Impedance, Bridged :(2X) 1250W RMS 1500W Peak
4 ohms Impedance, Bridged :(2X) 2075W RMS 3000W Peak
8 ohms Impedance:(4X) 315W RMS 440W Peak
4 ohms Impedance:(4X) 620W RMS 820W Peak
2 ohms Impedance:(4X) 1040W RMS 1520W Peak

315W is excellent for 8 ohm, and 620W is perfect per channel or bridged to my dual SI's if I want.

I highly doubt those bridged numbers are accurate though.

The bridged numbers are pretty accurate if the non-bridged numbers are accurate.

For example, if the amp is rated 100 watts per channel at 8 ohms and 150 watts per channel at 4 ohms, then bridged operation at 8 ohms will be 300 watts.

8 ohms bridged = sum of 4 ohms watts per channel unbridged
4 ohms bridged = sum of 2 ohms watts per channel unbridged
2 ohms bridged = sum of 1 ohm watts per channel unbridged

The latter two cases are why some amps don't care for 4 ohms bridged operation (amp feels the load like 2 ohms per channel) and why even fewer like 2 ohm bridged because that's like running 1 ohm per channel.
post #85 of 133
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

The bridged numbers are pretty accurate if the non-bridged numbers are accurate.

For example, if the amp is rated 100 watts per channel at 8 ohms and 150 watts per channel at 4 ohms, then bridged operation at 8 ohms will be 300 watts.

8 ohms bridged = sum of 4 ohms watts per channel unbridged
4 ohms bridged = sum of 2 ohms watts per channel unbridged
2 ohms bridged = sum of 1 ohm watts per channel unbridged

The latter two cases are why some amps don't care for 4 ohms bridged operation (amp feels the load like 2 ohms per channel) and why even fewer like 2 ohm bridged because that's like running 1 ohm per channel.

That's pretty awesome then. It would make this basically 2 EP4000s in a 12lb package, for only around $100 more.

Very impressed so far. This amp and the Peavey IPR7500 are some serious new affordable heavy hitters.
post #86 of 133
if price were equal, would you buy one of these or a pair of Crown XLS-1500's to drive four 4ohm Fi 18IB3's? I've got a 3 band PEQ in my proc.
post #87 of 133
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

That's pretty awesome then. It would make this basically 2 EP4000s in a 12lb package, for only around $100 more.

Very impressed so far. This amp and the Peavey IPR7500 are some serious new affordable heavy hitters.

Damn right! These will be awesome as I have six 4000's on rack. I could cut down the rack space by half and turn ~200lbs into about 36lbs. biggrin.gif
post #88 of 133
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Damn right! These will be awesome as I have six 4000's on rack. I could cut down the rack space by half and turn ~200lbs into about 36lbs. biggrin.gif

And then you could give me the 4000's! no one would be fine.. Thanks Scott cool.gif
post #89 of 133
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Damn right! These will be awesome as I have six 4000's on rack. I could cut down the rack space by half and turn ~200lbs into about 36lbs. biggrin.gif

I didn't even notice I said $100 more. That's for just 1 EP4000. 2 EP4000s would be ~$750, while this is ~$470.

New fans are on the way too.

Moving and shipping out my 70+lb XPA-5 was not fun today. I don't miss lugging that thing around at all. Should make someone else happy though like it did for me.
post #90 of 133
where are you seeing $470? Best I could find was P-E at $500
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