Originally Posted by kiwi2
Originally Posted by jdcrox
I do not know if it sounds better, but I really dont like MCACC with 2-channel material very much.
I think this is why AVRs have gained a reputation for some people as being not so good for music.
Ignores a lot of influences that are probably far stronger.
Around here I've seen a strong bias against AVRs among people who come out of the 2 channel tradition. Not that long ago I was repeatedly reamed in public for even mentioning AVRs on a 2-channel forum. Secondly, it is not obvious that an AVR knows what to do in a 2-channel environment. Thirdly AVRs used to put a lot of questionable (for 2-channel) circuitry and controls into their signal path. Fourthly, it is counter-intuitive that you can buy an AVR with all those facilities, features, bells and whistles for substantially less than a far simpler 2-channel receiver. Finally, AVRs didn't used to have have unique features like automated system tuning facilities (Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO) to offer.
A bad configuration/setup could be worse than a straight 2ch preamp.
One big reason for that is with power comes responsibility and since AVRs are far more functionally powerful than 2-channel amps, preamps, and receivers there are more ways to shoot yourself in the foot.
I have never liked the auto configuration my Yamaha comes up with and don't even bother with it now and I just do everything manually. Speaker distances I can measure and set myself. Trim levels I can measure and set myself. Sub distance and level and crossover point and phase I can adjust and measure with a real time analyser myself. Any EQ or PEQ I can apply myself knowing exactly what has been done.
I'm not sure if the above is technical fact or a statement of your personal state of mind. Many AVRs provide similar manual facilities, and here you are reaming AVRs, seemingly as if they didn't.
I have never owned an AVR with Audyssey and while some people swear by it, there are others that aren't overly impressed with it... so I don't think an automated Audyssey configuration is the be-all and end-all either.
So if someone has been listening to an AVR with a bad configuration... then understandably a straight 2ch amp could sound better for them.
So what corrective action do we recommend? Do take steps to get a better configuration of the AVR or do we dump the thing and step back into the 1980s with seperates?
However once I learn more about audio and room acoustics and the subtleties of configuring my AVR myself, I started to achieve the sound quality gains and a greater enjoyment of music than with my 2ch amps.
That sounds positive for AVRs, I think it is a truism that the better we understand how to configure our systems, the better results we will in general obtain.