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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I have a small bedroom (let's say... about 11' x 11' not sure exactly off the top of my head), that is always dark. Well, I thought this would be a great room for a plasma screen (I have to go with an LCD for my living room because it has windows everywhere, but I've wanted to get a plasma and I thought this room would be perfect for my plasma/PS3 setup). From what I've seen about the smallest plasma is 42"-43," so I thought I would go for the Samsung 43" (PN43F4500, I think), which is a 720p screen. But based on posts that I've read on this site, I get the impression that I should avoid 1024x768 resolution plasmas becuase of scaling issues, "rectangular pixels" (or something like that), and of course because "It is 2013, come on get with the program!"

The problem of course is that the smallest 1080p plasma I have seen is 50" which seems like it would be a bit too much for a small room. Am I correct about this, is 50" screen just too large for a 11"x11" room? Should I reconsider a 43" 720p? Are plasmas just not an option for small rooms?
Edited by vicki7800 - 8/1/13 at 9:40am
post #2 of 24
What is your seating distance going to be?

Screen size recommendations often come down to a ratio of screen width to seating distance. Everyone has individual preferences but it's not uncommon to find people who are comfortable seated 1.5 screen widths from a 16:9 1080p screen.

Let's say you are seated back 8ft from the screen in your room. A 1.5 ratio to the screen width would mean you could sit 8ft back from a 5.3ft (64") wide screen. A 64" wide screen would be a 73" diagonal TV.

Bottom line... I think 50" would be ok... you might even consider bigger.

Do some reading on seating distance and screen size recommendations on these forums and you will get some ideas on how to best evaluate what your personal screen size preferences might be. Often times people will go for a smaller TV because at first in the store the big TV may be overwhelming... and then after awhile they wish they had gone bigger. Very rarely will anyone say, "I overdid it... this screen is too big." Check out the projector forums and you'll see some huge screen sizes discussed with some people sitting quite close for the immersive experience it provides.

Good luck with your decision.
post #3 of 24
My bedroom might be 10' x 13' or something, and I have a 59" plasma in here. Viewing distance is 7 - 8 feet (depending on how I'm sitting on my bed).

Here's a picture of it, though it obviously doesn't show off the entire room:









People have admired how large the screen is, yet I have never once heard or felt that the TV was in fact too big for this room.

I'd say you're perhaps going too small if you go less than 50". 51" is doable for sure, and like I said... my TV hasn't ever felt too big for this viewing or for my room. I almost regret not choosing the 64" model.

P.S. For comparison's sake, that LCD in the corner is 23".
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your response.

Seems like 50" has become something like the new "standard" television size; it's funny, it wasn't all that long ago that 50" would have been considered a big screen even in a living room, much less a bedroom, so I'm just trying to avoid making a stupid mistake (don't want to get my new plasma to the house only to later find it is way too large for the room) .

Based on the figure of a viewing distance equal to [width x 1.5], the ideal distance from a 50" screen would be [43.5 x 1.5 = 65.25] about 65 inches, or almost five-and-one-half feet, correct? If so, that is certainly easy enough to achieve in that room. I guess the only question is how much space the set itself will take (with a stand for the television, etc.)

Would you agree about avoiding 1024x768 resolution plasmas?

Also, given that this is for a small room, should I be concerned about how much heat a 50" plasma might produce? I have an old-school 37" LCD (thick, very heavy, non-LED obviously) and that thing gets HOT! I've heard that plasma run hotter than LCDs (but I also know that new LCDs are a lot thinner and cooler). Are heat/fan noise not problems for new 50" plasmas?
post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
@muffinmcfluffin: didn't see your post when I responded. Thanks for the photo! You have a lot more stuff in you room than mine too; beginning to feel stupid for thinking 50" was so large.
post #6 of 24
I've had a PN43F4500 as my main living room tv for nearly a month now and it's working out fine for day or night viewing, now that I've put up curtains on the window behind me. (sitting about 8 feet away) Most of what it displays is cable HD via the DVR, and some Netflix via Apple TV. Both these of sources produce really good pictures with the correct aspect ratio displayed. The picture when connected to analog cable isn't up to the same standards.

This Samsung wasn't producing a lot of heat when I was breaking it in and leaving it in the standard (energy saving) display mode, but once I turned movie mode on it now gets as warm as the five year old 32 inch Bravia LCD it replaced. I don't hear any noise from this TV. If you leave the energy saving stuff turned on, this set is more energy efficient than a lot of LCDs.
post #7 of 24
The thoughts on television size as a norm basically go hand in hand as to what the technology would support at the time. You could also consider a projector for a dark room. A plasma will put out some heat but as long as you have reasonable ventilation I wouldn't worry about it.

Now, to be fair, some people report audible and loud enough buzzing to be quite annoying...and while it may be specific to certain people being sensitive to this (I don't hear any on my PN59D8000 nor do my friends and there really aren't that great a number of people reporting when you think of how many panels that are out there), there seems to be more reports by those affected for Samsung than Panasonic PDPs in this regard, like this current thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479058/samsung-f8500-plasma-buzz-and-buzzing-do-they-all
post #8 of 24
Ah, I should have mentioned those things:

1) I get a lot of heat in my room. It's upstairs and doesn't ventilate the best through the house, and combined with the small room and the amount of electronics (as well as the TV obviously), it gets pretty hot walking into it from the hallway. I'm in California so I shouldn't really say what "heat" is, but try and keep the window & door open time to time and buy a fan or something.

2) My plasma buzzes. People will see my posts about it. I had the buzz from my plasma. Just got a new one for downstairs, and although it buzzes like all plasmas do, it's sounding a lot better and more manageable. Some people just can't hear it, though.
post #9 of 24
If there's a correlation between efficiency and producing less heat, this list might be handy
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
Reading about the heat/noise issues on this forum is making me reconsider the idea of getting a plasma...

Seems like the choice is between a heavy, hot, humming screen with excellent black levels and motion, or a lightweight, energy-efficient TV with uneven lighting and less color vibrance.

Hmmm
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by vicki7800 View Post

Reading about the heat/noise issues on this forum is making me reconsider the idea of getting a plasma...

Seems like the choice is between a heavy, hot, humming screen with excellent black levels and motion, or a lightweight, energy-efficient TV with uneven lighting and less color vibrance.

Hmmm

On the other hand those posts could be from a group of anal retentive wackos. Try this. Start a thread that says "who has a plasma that does not make noise". And anything that consumes electricity puts out heat. So you think a plasma which uses maybe 10-20% more power than an lcd is going to be burning up? Hey how about the posts about plasma "flickering" making people think a seizure is coming on. Then there's the "radiation" from the screen due to plasma tech. If you don't know anything about a subject, the worst place you can go is a forum, where any nut with spare time can hack away. Why not stick to reviews and component tests. I have yet to read any test where the group was driven out of the room by anything pitched on a forum.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
The opinions of "anal retentive wackos" can be useful too, so long as they are kept in perspective.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by vicki7800 View Post

The opinions of "anal retentive wackos" can be useful too, so long as they are kept in perspective.

I should also clarify that I wouldn't ever trade my plasma for an LCD. The heat isn't an issue, it's just a heads up. The buzzing? Well... like I've said, my new plasma doesn't buzz in any sort of unnerving way.

Still go with plasma.
post #14 of 24

I had to return a 65VT50 Panny because with normal lighting to see the picture with energy savers off

the set after 2-3 hours would make my small living room too hot. Best Buy did not believe me so they tried

another one and sent a tech out 3 hours later and the room was uncomfortably warm. Radiators were off

in the room and outside temp was 35F. The same day they brought a 70" Sharp and the room cooled down.

This was my experience. The F8500 Samsung runs cooler and so does the newer VT60. The cooker and I expect

to get blasted for this is the ZT60.  Take it or leave it...this was my experience.

post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by vicki7800 View Post

Reading about the heat/noise issues on this forum is making me reconsider the idea of getting a plasma...

Seems like the choice is between a heavy, hot, humming screen with excellent black levels and motion, or a lightweight, energy-efficient TV with uneven lighting and less color vibrance.

Hmmm

The heat and weight differences these days are minimal. I think few hear the buzzing, but those that do it annoys like hell.

PS My first flat panel was an UN60C6300 LCD which went back fairly quickly due to horrible flashlighting/clouding issues, not weight/heat/buzzing. I tried plasma and was very pleasantly surprised, far better picture (unless you like too bright, artificial colors/motion smile.gif ).
post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thank you to everyone, I am still leaning toward plasma because of the benefits of the image quality, but it's good to get a feel for potential downsides as well.
post #17 of 24
Yep, good to go in with eyes open. Know anyone with a plasma? Go see if you hear it buzz.
post #18 of 24
The 43 inch Samsung mentioned by the OP in the first post is Energy Star rated to use $14 in electricity a year, which compares with those on the list I linked a few posts back, and like them it was measured with its efficiency settings enabled .. which apparently doesn't produce the best picture, if that's what you're after. I wonder what would be the ultimate option would be if avoiding heat was the first concern; a pico projector? Ah, just saw this http://www.avsforum.com/t/1341226/tv-heat-output-plasma-vs-lcd-vs-led-vs-dlp

I'm not hearing any buzz at all, even from a foot away, but maybe I got a really good one.. (or maybe the central air and city sounds mask any buzz ..)
post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by loopguru View Post

The 43 inch Samsung mentioned by the OP in the first post is Energy Star rated to use $14 in electricity a year, which compares with those on the list I linked a few posts back, and like them it was measured with its efficiency settings enabled .. which apparently doesn't produce the best picture, if that's what you're after. I wonder what would be the ultimate option would be if avoiding heat was the first concern; a pico projector? Ah, just saw this http://www.avsforum.com/t/1341226/tv-heat-output-plasma-vs-lcd-vs-led-vs-dlp

I'm not hearing any buzz at all, even from a foot away, but maybe I got a really good one.. (or maybe the central air and city sounds mask any buzz ..)

Wow, that thread is a mess. biggrin.gif
Avoiding heat isn't my biggest concern but I have had electronics that ran way too hot in the past, so it is something I think about.

To me the 43" Samsung looks very appealing (certainly an attractive price). I'm curious how it compares against other Plasmas in that size range; there don't seem to be that many, but Panasonic apparently has a few 42" models. I'm guessing a Panasonic 42" 1080p is more or less out of the question these days, but that would be a serious contender if I could find a P42S60.
post #20 of 24
my room is also 12 or so feet by 12 or so feet... and my 50 inch plasma doesn't feel big at all. viewing distance is 9 or 10 feet.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by vicki7800 View Post

I'm guessing a Panasonic 42" 1080p is more or less out of the question these days
There is always the humble professional panels, main advantages are low latency, dedicated scaling chip and longer service life/warranty

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/886838-REG/Panasonic_th42pf50u_42_HD_Pro_Plasma.html
post #22 of 24
I briefly had a Pioneer 5080 in a relatively small bedroom and it didn't cause me any problems. In fact it was pretty great; bedroom watching almost always means dark, which means the contrast ratio really shines (or doesn't, as appropriate). Of course the area I lived in didn't get very hot even in the summer, so your results may vary. The 5080 is quite a bit warmer than the newer plasmas, so I personally think you'd be fine with a 50" in a bedroom so long as it isn't already regularly getting too hot in there.

And as Oimagination said, once you get to like 9' from the panel you definitely won't feel like it's too big. To be honest I've literally never heard anyone complain that their panel is too big unless they're talking about an issue with physically fitting it into a space or just transporting the thing.

As far as the buzz... there are some factors here. Plasma might buzz worse at higher altitudes (my 5080 certainly does), different models have different types of buzz (the Samsung and Panasonic buzzes are somewhat different), and some people are more bothered by it than others. If you have decent sound you likely won't care either way, especially if you ever end up using headphones with it.
post #23 of 24
I have a small room with a 60" LG plasma, if sitting close on the couch can be only about 4-5 feet viewing distance, other areas can be up to 8-10 feet viewing and I dont regret having a larger set at all. I swapped from a 55" LG LED and the size increase is worth it. Never go smaller if you don't have to!
post #24 of 24
I have a 65 panny plasma (VT60) wall mounted in a spare bedroom 11x10, it throws off a bit of heat, but probably less than my old 42 plasma. I view from 9-10ft, old (60's and 70's tv) SD material isn't great at that distance/size but HD is mind blowing, you're no longer looking at a tv, just great view in one direction. No buzzing, but late at night, with tv muted just a fraction of fan noise. Big is good, so what if it dominates the room smile.gif
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