Originally Posted by PeterS
You know you can build your own and store a lot more than 100 BD rips. A 32TB NAS costs under $3k. If you build it yourself, you can build a nice system to do this for under $4k. Total $7k, and upgradable.
The software is in some ways better than the K software, some ways not as good, but you don't have to have the disc in anything in order to do this.
Remember, there is NOTHING ILLEGAL about copying your own discs! Where K ran into problems is that they joined the Blu-Ray Disc Association, got the technical documents and signed the contract stating they would not allow copying of any media using their hardware - oops! There's is legal problem which they stupidly created, not a criminal one.
BTW; You can have the following features, and more for far less than K.
Remote Play over the Internet to any remote location
Full iPad or Android Control
As many "extenders" as you would like - cheap!
Additional Music features
Sorting and Organizing beyond K's features
100% Full Resolution Playback
a Lot more!
Integration with Internet Content and Downloads!
Full DVR capabilities and Integration as well!
Yes, it will be just as easy to use as Kayak.com for booking a trip and will give you better insurance at a lower cost... once we get the glitches worked out.
Seriously, a list of features NEVER includes bugs, troubleshooting or incompatibilities. I went the DIY route many years ago. I got a Kaleidescape and have not had a regret once in over 10 years.
Originally Posted by Brian Hampton
Well,.. I don't agree with that. They have had constant legal trouble because they have constantly pushed the limits of what they can legally do. I'm very surprized they have lasted this long and it's hard for me to imagine repeat customers because when I remember the types of systems they sold years ago... I would be very angry if I bought into their products.
For $45 you can get a blu ray player that gives access to Vudu and have a very comparable system, maybe a better system. Vudu isn't going anywhere, it's Walmart and there's a bit of reliability there.
I never understood how that company survived but I wouldn't be surprised if they folded any minute now.
Sorry you cannot understand or imagine, but here you don't have to imagine. I have been a repeat customer. I have purchased 5 servers now. I started with a 5U server and one playback zone. I later upgraded to 3 playback zones and added a second server. Then I added a 4th zone. After a while, I upgraded one of my 5U servers to a 3U server. I sold my other 5U server and bought a second 3U server. I have purchased 6 new M-series bluray players (2 M500's, 2 M300's and 2 M700 Vaults.) Yesterday my Cinema One came in, which I will be using for a remote residence that I don't want to invest in a full premier system in. Now you don't have to imagine a repeat customer because you now know who one is. As far as "the types of systems they sold years ago" I think perhaps you are confused because they are the same types they are selling today, except they now are Bluray instead of DVD.
For less than the price of a Tesla, you can buy a Leaf or a Volt. GM and Nissan are not going anywhere, but that doesn't mean they are better or even a better value than the Tesla. Same principle here.
You mention constant legal trouble because of constantly pushing the limits of what they can legally do. Name one single legal issue they have aside from their one court battle with the DVD CCA. Seriously man, one single lawsuit isn't constant legal trouble. Regarding your assertion that there is nothing illegal about copying your own discs, the DMCA does indeed say otherwise. While you feel that people won't be sued for copying their own discs, that doesn't mean you are not violating the law. One could just as easily say that if they grow their own pot in the closet and smoke it in the basement, you won't get caught. That doesn't mean the same thing as "not illegal."
I even went as far as help a friend build a system that will do what the Kaleidescape does. It was not a one hour process. It took time, which I actually value doing other things. I don't look at it as a hobby to have fun wasting my time screwing with a computer to try and get it to do what I want. Setting up my Cinema One took all of about 10 minutes from opening the box to playing video on the screen. Also, with the Black Friday sale on the Kaleidescape store, I was able to buy 100 Bluray titles for $150. No vault needed. By the next morning, I already had 14 BluRays on the server and more being downloaded. If you don't understand how a company like that can survive, then maybe you just don't understand the business model they have.
They are successful. They have been in business for over 10 years. There have been numerous competitors who promised to do more for less. They are all gone now. Kaleidescape is still there and they are growing. They have fantastic customer service and a wonderful product that just works right out of the box and is reliable. They are the only home theater component I have ever purchased that my wife actually loves. When we moved, she told me it was the last thing I was allowed to pack up and had the be the first thing I set up in the new house.
I have not been on the forum for a while, but as I recall, we didn't have a lot of people coming into the $20,000+ part of the forum and talk about how a $45 component was comparable and maybe better.