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post #61 of 95
Well I was going to get this until I saw this thread. Very disappointed.mad.gif
post #62 of 95
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Originally Posted by |Tch0rT| View Post

Every time I post the Land of Whimsy link they delete it. They didn't delete me complaining about being deleted. I just posted Blu-Ray.com's and Doblu.com's reviews and posted a bunch of the screenshot comparisons so lets see if they delete those.

The few negative pq comments were not deleted so I guess they do not like non-disney links posted.
post #63 of 95
I just looked at the screenshots.... man...... LOL! It's as if the guy in charge had just found the "surface blur" filter wink.giffrown.gif
post #64 of 95
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post

The few negative pq comments were not deleted so I guess they do not like non-disney links posted.

They'll get around to removing them I bet. I posted an Amazon review and clicked Yes the review is helpful on all of them mentioning the shoddy video quality. Maybe we should hit up the Best Buy, Kmart, and Walmart reviews too.

EDIT, submitted reviews to Best Buy and Walmart. Kmart doesn't let you review items. :/
Edited by |Tch0rT| - 8/7/13 at 7:21pm
post #65 of 95
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Originally Posted by |Tch0rT| View Post

They'll get around to removing them I bet. I posted an Amazon review and clicked Yes the review is helpful on all of them mentioning the shoddy video quality. Maybe we should hit up the Best Buy, Kmart, and Walmart reviews too.

EDIT, submitted reviews to Best Buy and Walmart. Kmart doesn't let you review items. :/
Go ahead most of us don't believe those reviews anyway.
post #66 of 95
Thread Starter 
I think after a lot of careful viewing this film is not supposed to be cropped as is. Doesn't look like the animators intended this to be maintained in this framing but who knows maybe they were just not that good at doing at the time. A lot of top and bottom details got lost in this release.
Edited by khronikos - 8/12/13 at 5:04pm
post #67 of 95
All the negative comments on the Facebook page are now buried under something like 60 comments of "zOMG I loved this movie!", "I went to 5 Walmarts looking for this bluray and it was worth it!" and "Another one for the collection!".
Edited by |Tch0rT| - 8/10/13 at 5:23pm
post #68 of 95
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Originally Posted by |Tch0rT| View Post

All the negative comments on the Facebook page are now buried under something like 60 comments of "zOMG I loved this movie!", "I went to 2 Walmarts looking for this bluray and it was worth it!" and "Another one for the collection!".

The majority of the AWESOMELY STUPENDOUS quotes are probably from Disney staff tasked with creating fake user comments. Happens all the time in corporationland.
post #69 of 95
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

The majority of the AWESOMELY STUPENDOUS quotes are probably from Disney staff tasked with creating fake user comments. Happens all the time in corporationland.

Yeah that's my guess too. Looks like it's timed to spam every few hours. They get caught deleting posts, now they just bury them... My last boss would make the employees write fake reviews of the place online. I never did it though.
post #70 of 95
Thread Starter 
Good aspect ratio discussion over at bluray.com thread.
Edited by khronikos - 8/12/13 at 5:05pm
post #71 of 95
Sword in the Stone, if memory serves, was originally set for debut on Walt Disney's TV show back in the day. It was then released wide to theaters... meaning 1.33:1 was its original aspect ratio. That's why the image cropping seems so severe on the Blu-ray. It was probably safest at 1.66:1 if they were doing a widescreen release.
post #72 of 95
Thread Starter 
Currently we are arguing over this nonstop at bluray forums. If anyone wants to join in go ahead:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=7969854&posted=1#post7969854

I'm sorry but 1.75:1 framing here just looks wrong, as it did in Aristocats which was changed, and it also looks 'wrong' in Jungle Book. Too many details getting cut out.
post #73 of 95
Thread Starter 
Well a couple Disney buffs did decide the OAR is 1.75:1 but indeed there possibly could be framing problems in this ratio or again possibly not. To me this film is misframed leading to the cropped heads. One of the posters with experience did a shot in 1.75:1 reframed and it looked great. Almost like a 1.66:1 shot on the top as you might see traditionally. This 5% space really cleaned up that shot well and only if Disney would have taken a good look at the framing they might have caught things like that. IDK but this film certainly needs a redo for the DNR alone.
Edited by khronikos - 8/12/13 at 4:45pm
post #74 of 95
The aspect ratio issue doesn't bother me nearly as much as the abysmally bad video "restoration". I don't usually like to base my opinion on screen captures, but after finally watching the blu-ray and seeing it in motion, holy cow it's terrible. I suppose it doesn't matter to kids these days, but it's pretty obvious to my untrained eye that Disney has basically ruined the movie with their efforts to clean up the video quality. It's pretty shocking that no one involved in the restoration process objected to what they created.

I have to wonder if Disney farmed out the restoration to a third party. I own just about every Disney animated DVD and blu-ray release and I don't recall any previous title ever looking this horrifically bad. Plus, Disney has done some masterful restoration work on past blu-ray efforts.
post #75 of 95
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Wow, they have basically deleted all our comments on facebook but a few and now have completely filled the space with random comments, 'I love this movie' comments. Hundreds of them that were not previously there? I guess people are now buying it? or they simply have sent the dogs to do the dirty work. Who knows lol?
post #76 of 95
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Sword in the Stone, if memory serves, was originally set for debut on Walt Disney's TV show back in the day. It was then released wide to theaters... meaning 1.33:1 was its original aspect ratio. That's why the image cropping seems so severe on the Blu-ray. It was probably safest at 1.66:1 if they were doing a widescreen release.

Wikipedia states Sword in the Stone was originally released to theaters in 1963 and I used to watch the Wonderful World of Disney in the 70's and I am pretty sure Disney never airred a title before releasing in theaters, I only remember short excerpts from films being broadcasted and there are a multitude of sources stating 1:75.1 was Disney's preferred OAR in the 60's & 70's. The ONs appeared to be 1:33.1 so they probably had future TV broadcasts in mind when working on them.

To degress a little, if Olive can do what appears a great job with Betty Boop I do not know what Disney's excuse is.
post #77 of 95
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Originally Posted by khronikos View Post

Currently we are arguing over this nonstop at bluray forums. If anyone wants to join in go ahead:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=7969854&posted=1#post7969854

Dead link. Did they delete your comment?
post #78 of 95
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Dead link. Did they delete your comment?

The thread is still there, coming up on 50 pages.
post #79 of 95
The link is bad then because I can't access it either.
post #80 of 95
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

The link is bad then because I can't access it either.
I think you need to be an elite blu-ray.com member to have access to that specific link.
Here's a direct link that should work.
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=220028&page=42
post #81 of 95
Disney needs to start providing options on classic animation. I don't care how much they crop a film if they would simply include the open-matte transfer as an option. It's not like Disney is filling their discs up with extreme video encodes, most of their older animation run under 80 minutes.
post #82 of 95
Wow, I got a headache from looking at those screencaps.
It's unfathomable how this passed 'QC'.
post #83 of 95
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Originally Posted by SC0TLANDF0REVER View Post

Wow, I got a headache from looking at those screencaps.
It's unfathomable how this passed 'QC'.

They only have QC when it's one of their designated classics. Any other title gets little to no effort. Even their Disney shorts haven't been fully restored unlike Warner's Looney Tunes selections.
post #84 of 95
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

They only have QC when it's one of their designated classics.

Cinderella and The Little Mermaid beg to differ...
post #85 of 95
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Originally Posted by jimbotron View Post

Cinderella and The Little Mermaid beg to differ...

What did they do to Little Mermaid? For the most part, they've been trying to get their "classics" titles to look like the original cells. However, on their "lesser" titles they've put little to no effort into them. Also, no Song of the South, no unedited Saludos Amigos/Three Caballeros, no restored and unedited classic shorts in HD, etc etc.
post #86 of 95
It's minor, but very sloppy. At the end of "Part of Your World" they mess up the order of two shots. It creates a pretty ugly continuity error, not to mention seeing Ariel's lips moving with no sound. You can read about it in the Little Mermaid thread.
post #87 of 95
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post

Dnr in the Stone (or how about Stoned Dnr) has plenty of defenders, like saying this is how the original cells looked and positive reviews mentioning how clean it is.
I'm amazed anyone can defend this but there really are some idiots out there saying how good this looks... Unbelievable! You only have to compare to the DVD and see lines in the artwork that have blurred nearly into oblivion owing to this travesty of a DNR fest!

It's rare a DVD shows more detail than a Blu-ray but this is certainly one for the books.
post #88 of 95
Honestly, this reminds me of the botch job on the "Guliver's Travels" BD. All it needs is a little horizontal stretch and it will fit right in...
post #89 of 95
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Honestly, this reminds me of the botch job on the "Guliver's Travels" BD. All it needs is a little horizontal stretch and it will fit right in...

You know what sucks? Gulliver's Travels is getting a restored release and it looks gorgeous.
post #90 of 95
There is nothing wrong with the original master. caps-a-holic have posted a screenshot comparison and included is a comparison of the digitally unaltered Blu-ray title menu video and the actual Blu-ray encode. The title menu video has all the grain in tact and the detail is amazing. Sadly this unaltered video was not left alone for the final encode.

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_list.php?hd_multiID=1363
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