or Connect
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Home theater size

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
Hi,

My name is Geran and I live in Maryland near DC (20mins east). I am in the process of design my basement remodel with my drafting friend and I'm curious if the space I am reserving for the HT space is too small. I am attaching a picture of the current framing design we are working with and the HT location in the bottom left of the picture. Also the current location of where it is places it right below the kitchen so soundproofing is a huge requirement and my game plan is SPC CEILING SOLUTION 5 for the ceiling and Soundproofing Walls Solution 5 for the walls.

The same is 16' (w) by 9-9.5' (d) with a brick wall and 2' ledge behind where the screen location is in that picture. So my questions...

1. Is 16' x 9.5' too small for a dedicated HT room?
2. Should I cover up the brick wall and use the ledge as a stage to mount the screen on the wall instead of suspending it from the ceiling?
3. Should I move the HT? If so, where?
4. Is my game plan for the ceiling and walls overkill or not?

Any help would be greatly appreciated before I start framing.

Regards,
Geran

post #2 of 29
Thread Starter 
Any one? cool.gif
post #3 of 29
i have built a nice theater a 17 x 11 room. you will need "space saver seating". the seatcraft eros are a nice affordable seat. you will also need to use your walls as much as possible. dont bother with book shelves or cabinets. build wall shelves instead. also get a projector that has vert and horiz lens shift it will help you with placement. i have an epson 8350 and it is great.
post #4 of 29
That is a pretty tight space. Not saying you couldn't make it work, but you'll need to make some compromises along the way. To get a better understanding of the space, can you tell us:

1. Are the interior walls that divide the basement existing or proposed?
2. What is the ceiling height?
3. What is the general layout for utilities in the basement? Locations of HVAC (supply and return vents), water, gas?

Pics of the space would be helpful.
post #5 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sman1980 View Post

i have built a nice theater a 17 x 11 room. you will need "space saver seating". the seatcraft eros are a nice affordable seat. you will also need to use your walls as much as possible. dont bother with book shelves or cabinets. build wall shelves instead. also get a projector that has vert and horiz lens shift it will help you with placement. i have an epson 8350 and it is great.
Didn't think about "space saver seating", our original plan was to use pallets as the seating to have airflow underneath (click link). There won't be any cabinets or book shelves in the HT due to space...all the A/V equipment will be underneath the stairs in the picture.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

That is a pretty tight space. Not saying you couldn't make it work, but you'll need to make some compromises along the way. To get a better understanding of the space, can you tell us:

1. Are the interior walls that divide the basement existing or proposed? The interior walls in the picture are proposed walls as the basement has already been demoed in preparation for the remodel.
2. What is the ceiling height? Ceiling height is 8.46' from slab to bottom of the floor joist.
3. What is the general layout for utilities in the basement? Locations of HVAC (supply and return vents), water, gas? The layout of the utilities is really basic actually...there are no gas lines, the water meter is the 2.4' box on the north side of the picture (that's the proposed office space), the laundry room (northeast room) has all the HVAC and electrical in it. As for the HVAC supply and return vents, they have all been removed and/or disconnected from the basement and will have new ones installed during the remodel.

Pics of the space would be helpful.
I'm willing to make some compromises along the way for sure.

Pictures: (these are all I have for now until all the debris is gone)

http://flic.kr/p/edy8xD (It says office but that was prior to changing the design)
http://flic.kr/p/edy8qV

If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
post #6 of 29
How about flipping the office back to the proposed space and widening and deepening the former office space as the theater?

Narrow the bath room and widen it slightly, rotate the bed, move the closet, and add a seating area.

Geran.jpg 275k .jpg file

Can the ledge be demo'ed and cut back?
post #7 of 29
We have done an upstairs attic above the garage that was turned into a 18x12 sound room with great success..... All seating was located as far back as it could be placed, we built an equipment room closet outside the room... That closet had the projector in it on a motorized rack... There was a panel that would slide down in theater room and the projector would project through that hole, we used paradigm speakers and subs, subs were built into the walls to save on space, we did lutron lighting control also... Screen was motorized and hidden in a panel in the ceiling , also you need to consider ac vent size, shape, and location, we used 6 foot long linear low velocity ducts, they were very quiet and as far as velocity you could only feel cold air not a breeze or such
post #8 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tedd View Post

How about flipping the office back to the proposed space and widening and deepening the former office space as the theater?

Narrow the bath room and widen it slightly, rotate the bed, move the closet, and add a seating area.

Geran.jpg 275k .jpg file

Can the ledge be demo'ed and cut back?
Unfortunately that layout won't work since the Laundry/HVAC room has to be that size. But after seeing your layout it gave the misses and I a new idea which is below...all the doors on the right side of the photo are 32" doors. My idea was to have the stage and screen on the east wall with the A/V closet north of that and all the seating on the west wall (possibly two rows of the "space saver seating" mentioned earlier.

Standard HomeTheater Design

I really wish I could move the stairs from the center of the basement but that would be way too expensive right now. The bathroom location is still up in the air since currently that is where all the rough plumbing is in the concrete slab and main sewer line.
post #9 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brads441 View Post

We have done an upstairs attic above the garage that was turned into a 18x12 sound room with great success..... All seating was located as far back as it could be placed, we built an equipment room closet outside the room... That closet had the projector in it on a motorized rack... There was a panel that would slide down in theater room and the projector would project through that hole, we used paradigm speakers and subs, subs were built into the walls to save on space, we did lutron lighting control also... Screen was motorized and hidden in a panel in the ceiling , also you need to consider ac vent size, shape, and location, we used 6 foot long linear low velocity ducts, they were very quiet and as far as velocity you could only feel cold air not a breeze or such
Sounds like a great idea but the budget for this HT isn't that high since this home isn't my forever home. I would love to have a room that you walk into and don't realize what it is until everything pops out of the ceiling or walls smile.gif
post #10 of 29
Can't rotate the bedroom closet either?

Could the fireplace be in the office and the family room the smaller space but with the sliding/French doors?

I'd be flipping the space and functions to see what you can come up with, while trying to shrink the amount of hallway space.

The front theater wall could easily be built to be removed upon resale, if you frame the screen wall after you drywall the top wall and stair wall.

Geran basement.jpg 412k .jpg file
post #11 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tedd View Post

Can't rotate the bedroom closet either?

Could the fireplace be in the office and the family room the smaller space but with the sliding/French doors?

I'd be flipping the space and functions to see what you can come up with, while trying to shrink the amount of hallway space.

The front theater wall could easily be built to be removed upon resale, if you frame the screen wall after you drywall the top wall and stair wall.

Geran basement.jpg 412k .jpg file
That's a really good idea...I would rather not have the fireplace in the office. Your layout looks very similar to one my girlfriend/fiancee thought of (she really rubbed it in my face too rolleyes.gif)

After much thought and deliberation by myself I've came up with 6 final layout ideas at work today (3 are pretty small and the other 3 are decent in my opinion). I will be reviewing them tonight and will post the three best options for final approval.

Tedd, I really want to thank you for taking the time to give me ideas and suggestions on the layout and everything.
post #12 of 29
Looking forward to see what you came up with.

We don't dismiss "way out there" ideas anymore around here. We've had more then a few wilder ideas become stepping stones to a great plan.
post #13 of 29
Thread Starter 
It looks like the girlfriend and I have agreed on a design (see below). The HT will be 13.1' wide by 17.5' deep.

Currently we are waiting for a structural engineer to come out and tell us if we can move one of the support columns that is in the middle of the basement (right around where the corner of the HT is closest to the stairs) before framing starts. I do have one quick question though, is the below over kill for the walls of the HT?
Quote:
Source Side (inside theater)
-Two 5/8 layers of drywall + Green Glue (2 Tubes per 4×8 sheet)
-7/8 Drywall Furring Channel @ 24 OC
-WhisperClip
-MVL
-Staggered 2x4 walls at 24" oc w/ 2x6 top & bottom plate
-R19 Roxul Safe 'n Sound
-MVL
-One 5/8" layer of drywall
Receive Side (outside theater



Thanks again for everyone's help.
post #14 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carisma View Post

Currently we are waiting for a structural engineer to come out and tell us if we can move one of the support columns that is in the middle of the basement (right around where the corner of the HT is closest to the stairs) before framing starts.

Can you depict on your drawing where the column is, with estimated measurements inside the proposed HT room? Instead of moving it you may be able to incorporate it into the theater (maybe wrap it in a column). That would probably be cheaper than trying to move it.
post #15 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerParty View Post

Can you depict on your drawing where the column is, with estimated measurements inside the proposed HT room? Instead of moving it you may be able to incorporate it into the theater (maybe wrap it in a column). That would probably be cheaper than trying to move it.
Hi BeerParty,

We got the estimate back from the structural engineer today and he said it would be between $5-8k to move that beam and replace it with two other beams. I promptly told him thanks but no thanks.

As for depicting in that picture where the beam is, I am going to attach a picture of the initial drawing of my basement. In the picture, the center column is located at just over 23'1.5" from the west wall and 13.1' from the north wall. The estimated measurements are 13.1' wide by 18.2' deep, which comes out to about 1,910 cubic feet of space smile.gif

My drafting friend and I will finalize this plans (such as door placement, a/v equipment placement and turning the stairs to walk into the family room area) within the coming week or so to get them submitted to the county so I can pull the permits.

post #16 of 29
Are those traditional fold-down theater seats on your plan? If they are recliners, you won't be able to fit 3 rows in an 18' deep theater. I barely fit 2 rows in mine. Regardless of seating style, you will want to be careful having the back row so close to the rear wall, especially if you are doing 7.1.

What are your plans for the front wall? Stage? Speaker placement? Have you considered a false wall with an AT screen?
post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Are those traditional fold-down theater seats on your plan? If they are recliners, you won't be able to fit 3 rows in an 18' deep theater. I barely fit 2 rows in mine. Regardless of seating style, you will want to be careful having the back row so close to the rear wall, especially if you are doing 7.1.

What are your plans for the front wall? Stage? Speaker placement? Have you considered a false wall with an AT screen?
Spaceman,

That drawing was his first initial one...it been revised multiple times and I just didn't have the recent one loaded on my computer last night. There will only be 2 rows of seating (between 4-6 seats) in the theater and the back most row will be around 2 feet off the wall.

The plans for the front wall are as followed...
  • 1-2' stage
  • 2.35:1 103" Falcon Screen
  • Speakers behind the screen

Do you have an example of the false wall with an AT screen?
post #18 of 29
Here is a good post showing a simple false wall approach. I modified it slightly for my false wall.
post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Here is a good post showing a simple false wall approach. I modified it slightly for my false wall.
That's exactly what I was thinking...it will be a false wall so I could put the speakers and screen there.
post #20 of 29
Yes, the screen and fabric panels will hang on the false wall while the speakers live behind the false wall, hidden from view.
post #21 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Yes, the screen and fabric panels will hang on the false wall while the speakers live behind the false wall, hidden from view.
Awesome! It's great having a finalized floor plan and now time to get permits...YAY!
post #22 of 29
Why narrow the room?

CArisma basement b.jpg 89k .jpg file

+1 for the AT screen, if you lengthen the theater.
post #23 of 29
Thread Starter 
It won't be narrow like in that attachment...that was just the initial idea we came up with. I should have the final plan by this coming Monday since my friend has been busy preparing for his first child and working 60hr weeks.

The room will be 13.1 (w) by 18.2 (l) with the screen on the west wall and two rows of seating.
post #24 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tedd View Post

Why narrow the room?

CArisma basement b.jpg 89k .jpg file

+1 for the AT screen, if you lengthen the theater.
After months and months of revisions and discussions, I have officially finalized a framing and electrical plan for my basement remodel (to include a home theater). See attached photos.

The theater will be 18 x 13.125 which is perfect for me and my girlfriend right now smile.gif


Framing Plan by Geran Brown, on Flickr


Electrical Plan by Geran Brown, on Flickr
post #25 of 29
Couple of quick questions, will you have easy access to the rear panels for your a/v equipment?, which room of the house will the theater be under? have you decided on a speaker configuration?
post #26 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by willmo View Post

Couple of quick questions, will you have easy access to the rear panels for your a/v equipment?.
Yes, it will either be on a stand with shelves that move in and out or I'll create an access panel on the wall next to it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by willmo View Post

Which room of the house will the theater be under?.
Spare bedroom which is currently the girlfriend's office.
Quote:
Originally Posted by willmo View Post

Have you decided on a speaker configuration?
Yes sort of but not extensively.
post #27 of 29
Sorry but my eyes can't read the small print frown.gif Will the equipment closet have some kind of ventilation or method of allowing the heat that will be generated from the equipment a way to escape? Are you planning on or do you want the flexibility of HTPC?
post #28 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by willmo View Post

Sorry but my eyes can't read the small print frown.gif Will the equipment closet have some kind of ventilation or method of allowing the heat that will be generated from the equipment a way to escape? Are you planning on or do you want the flexibility of HTPC?
The AV closet will have ventilation into the water meter closet to the right of it. It will have a dual or triple fan mount at the top and a intake at the bottom in the shared wall.

I am going to use the HTPC I have (i3 NUC) smile.gif

Here is a bigger picture: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3691/10789388493_67aef3399e_k.jpg
post #29 of 29
Well it seems like once you get your soundproofing strategy decided, you'll be all set.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home