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Never fear, CEDIA is near. Actually, yes—the company just recently achieved a milestone. It ported the Ultra-D processing application to a Snapdragon 800 processor—a crucial step to getting the system ready for mass production.

Awesome. Ultra D really does sound like the best glasses free solution thus far...besting even Dolby 3D judging by specs/capabilities. So when can I buy a tv with Ultra D and what brands might those be?
post #92 of 106
Cedia will reveal a lot on this I'm sure.
post #93 of 106
I've seen the Stream TV Ultra-D in action in 1080p and was impressed - but imagic, your description of it in 4K sounds amazing!

You mention Dolby / Philips offering an alternative implementation of autostereoscopy ( http://www.gadgetreview.com/home-theater/first-look-dolby-3d ). The only other references I've read about for glasses-free 3D at TV-sized screens (i.e. not the HTC EVO 3D, EyeFly3D, Nintendo 3DS or NEO3DO), aside from the old Toshiba 55ZL2, are from SeeFront, Stereoscape / Exceptional 3D, Sisvel Technology / Triaxes and Dimenco. Aside from the latter, none are 4K, but I'm still intrigued: what technologies are they using?

You mention that you watched observed a 50" Hisense prototype TV with local dimming, with additional plans for 58" and 65". Do you know what panel was being used? What viewing distance were you at, and how did the effect change as you moved closer and farther away? Was there any motion blur? Did you test input lag - was it below 30ms? You said that technical specifications were not disclosed but do you think you could wrangle a bit more information on your next visit? Also, you mention that there are plans for a 31" monitor featuring the technology - will that be using the same, expensive panel as the Sharp PN-K321, ASUS PQ321Q and Dell UltraSharp 32? (the Sharp LD315R3LC1 ASV with IGZO according to http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm ?) or the new IPS 4096x2160 LG Display LM310UH1-SLA1 ? At what distance will that cease to be effective? How come there are no plans for a 39" TV?

Did you try any SD content - either broadcast TV or DVD? (I'm from the UK so would be interested in 576i50 as well as 480i60.) If so, how well did it upscale in regular 2D and 2D-to-3D conversion modes? At the other end of the scale, did you try any native 4K content or was it just 2D, 2D-to-3D and 3D Blu-Ray? What about 720i/720p/1080i/1080p broadcast TV and online streaming services?

Along with local dimming, were there any indications that the retail TVs will have H.265 HEVC decoding and (preferably multiple) HDMI 2.0 inputs? It seems that no TV on the market at present offers all three of these technologies, just two at the most (e.g. the LG LA9700 series that costs $4,500 for the 55" model offers the former two). I've listed some of those TVs below - including the brand new Hisense K680X3DU series that costs the equivalent of $1,300 (nearer to $1,050 street price) for the 50" model. Can you get any further info on those or the Skyworth E790U series, out of interest? Presumably the glasses-free Hisense TVs will carry a premium for the Ultra-D functionality - will we be looking at $2,500 for the 50"?

It's an exciting time for home cinema at the moment and I'm keeping a close eye on other developments such as Google TV and the forthcoming Intel set-top box. If I buy one of these TVs, hopefully an upgrade won't be required until 8K / Super Hi-Vision OLED TVs are on the market - hopefully with a touch-screen such as those LCDs by 3M, Planar, MyMultiTouch and Samsung SUR40 with Microsoft PixelSense.


Ultra HD TVs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution#List_of_4K_monitors.2C_TVs_and_projectors


LG LA9650 series
with HDMI 1.4 ("LG says it's working on a solution for existing models" for HDMI 2.0")
H.265 HEVC decoding
edge-lit
passive 3D / FPR (Film-type Patterned Retarder) (a.k.a. "Cinema 3D")
"Tru-ULTRA HD Engine" for upscaling of sub-4K content

55":
55LA9650 (US model number):
$3,500

65":
65LA9650 (US model number):
$5,000


LG LA9700 series
as LA9650, but adds "NANO FULL LED array backlighting" with full array local dimming (FALD), in place of edge-lit LED backlighting

55":
55LA9700 (US model number) / 55LA970W (UK model number)
$4,500 / £3,500

65":
65LA9700 (US model number) / 65LA970W (UK model number)
$6,500 / £5,500


http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/26/lg-ultra-hd-3500-oled-10000/


Sony X850 series (US-only):
HDMI 1.4 with firmware upgrade to HDMI 2.0 by end of 2013
edge-lit
active 3D
"X-Reality PRO" for upscaling of sub-4K content

55":
XBR-55X850A
$3,500

65":
XBR-65X900A
$5,000


Sony X9 / X900 series:
HDMI 1.4 with firmware upgrade to HDMI 2.0 by end of 2013
edge-lit
passive 3D
"X-Reality PRO" for upscaling of sub-4K content

55":
XBR-55X900A (US model number) / KD-55X9005A (UK model number) / KD-55X9200A (Japanese model number)
$4,000

65":
XBR-65X900A (US model number) / KD-65X9005A (UK model number) / KD-65X9200A (Japanese model number)
$5,500


http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/sony-video-ulimited-4k-video-download-service/


Panasonic WT600 series:
HDMI 2.0
"uses 2,400 Back Light Scanning (BLS) technology with local dimming, which is said to improve sharpness and black levels"
active 3D
"4K Fine Remaster Engine" for upscaling of sub-4K content

65":
TC-L65WT600 (US and European model number) / TX-L65WT600B (UK model number)
$6,000 / £5,500


http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1378273252


Hisense XT880 series:
HDMI 1.4
edge-lit
active 3D with 3D07A / FPS3D07 / FPS3D07A glasses (Australian model number)

50":
LED50XT880G3DU (Chinese model number) / LTDN50XT880XWSEU3D (German model number) / 50XT880XWSEU3D (Italian model number)
CNY 9,000 (street price of CNY 8,000) / E 2,000 (street price of E 1,500)

55"
LED55XT880G3DU (Chinese model number)
CNY 11,000 (street price of CNY 10,000)

58":
LED58XT880G3DU (Chinese model number) / HLUD58XT880 (Australian model number) / LTDN58XT880XWSEU3D (German model number):
CNY 12,000 / AU $6,000 / E 3,000 (street price of E 2,500)

65":
LED65XT880G3DU (Chinese model number) / HLUD65XT880 (Australian model number) / LTDN65XT880XWSEU3D (German model number):
CNY 22,000 (street price of CNY 20,000) / AU $6,500 (street price of AU $3,600 - i.e. far cheaper than 58"!) / E 4,500


Hisense K680 / K680X3DU series (September 2013)
HDMI 1.4
(Can someone translate the specs? Are they just edge lit? I can see that they're 3D but I'm not sure whether that's active or passive.)

39":
LED39K680X3DU
CNY 5,000 (street price of CNY 3,400)
http://www.hisense.com/product/TV/household/201309/t20130918_85032.shtml
http://shop.hisense.com/Home/Products/detail/gid/360

42":
LED42K680X3DU
CNY 6,000 (street price of CNY 5,000)
http://www.hisense.com/product/TV/household/201309/t20130918_85031.shtml
http://shop.hisense.com/Home/Products/detail/gid/362

50":
LED50K680X3DU
CNY 8,000 (street price of CNY 6,500)
http://www.hisense.com/product/TV/household/201309/t20130918_85030.shtml

55":
LED55K680X3DU
CNY ?? (street price of CNY 8,500)
http://www.hisense.com/product/TV/household/201309/t20130918_85029.shtml

58":
LED58K680X3DU
CNY 11,600 (street price of CNY 9,000)
http://www.hisense.com/product/TV/household/201309/t20130918_85028.shtml

65":
LED65K680X3DU
CNY 19,000 (street price of CNY 16,000)
http://www.hisense.com/product/TV/household/201309/t20130918_85027.shtml


Hisense XT910 series (successor to X900 series: the 75" LED75XT890G3D seems to only be 1080p, even though one would assume that the XT890 is the successor to the XT880 series):
HDMI 1.4
This ( http://tv.ea3w.com/picnews/139/1398270_5.html ) seems to indicate:
Full Array Local Dimming

85":
LED85XT910G3DU
http://www.hisense.com/product/TV/household/201309/t20130917_85019.shtml
CNY 99,999


Seiki UY04 series:
HDMI 1.4 (possible upgrade to HDMI 2.0: see below)
edge-lit
no 3D

39":
SE39UY04 (ChiMei Innolux V390DK1-LS1 S-MVA panel)
$700

50":
SE50UY04 (ChiMei Innolux V500DK1-LS1 panel)
US $1,200 (street price under US $1,000)

65":
SE65UY04 (presumably the ChiMei Innolux V650DK1-LS1 panel):
US $3,000

UPDATE: A spokesperson from Seiki mentioned that their engineering and product development teams are looking into a possible HDMI 2.0 upgrade.

http://www.ultrahdtv.net/seiki-announces-65-inch-4k-ultra-hdtv/

Paul Michael Hernandez:
"Do you plan on Updating your 50" Firmware to upgrade the HDMI 2.0 standard? This is the only thing missing from many of us who would get this monitor to use it for our Workstations and A/V Production."

Seiki Digital:
"Paul, our engineers are currently working to see if this is doable. We will make sure to post if a solution is made available."

https://www.facebook.com/seikidigital/posts/530130743739337


Skyworth E780U series:
HDMI 1.4
edge-lit
active 3D with RD03SC glasses

39":
39E780U (ChiMei Innolux V390DK1-LS1 S-MVA panel)
CNY 4,000 (~US $650)

50":
50E780U
CNY 9,000 (~US $1,500)

55":
55E780U
CNY 11,000 (~US $1,800)

58":
58E780U
CNY 13,000 (~US $2,100)


Skyworth E790U series:
IPS panel
the two smaller screens seem to have active 3D and the larger two have passive 3D - there is a translated reference to 'polarized' and a picture of the glasses ( http://www.bhiner.com/taobao-agent/35092010515/9 )

42":
42E790U
CNY 5,400 (~US $900)

50":
50E790U
CNY 7,000 (~US $1,175)

55":
55E790U
CNY 8,800 (~US $1,500)

65":
65E790U
CNY ??


http://www.skyworth.com/cn/product-spec-135-408.html (smaller two sizes)

http://www.skyworth.com/cn/product-spec-135-407.html (larger two sizes)


Skyworth E900U series:
active 3D (I think - confusingly...)

65":
65E900U
CNY 26,000 (~US $4,250)


http://www.skyworth.com/en/news-detail-3350.html

http://www.skyworth.com/cn/product-spec-135-406.html


TCL 7E series
HDMI 1.4
edge-lit
no 3D

50":
7E504D
US $999


http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57595364-221/tcl-debuts-first-50-inch-4k-tv-under-a-grand/


TCL E5691 series (not sure how this is different to above?):
HDMI 1.4
edge-lit
no 3D

50":
LE50UHDE5691
US $999


http://www.tclusa.com/products/led/le50uhde5691/
post #94 of 106
Any more news on this from CEDIA?
post #95 of 106
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Any more news on this from CEDIA?

Not that I saw.

post #96 of 106
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Any more news on this from CEDIA?

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Originally Posted by Scott Wilkinson View Post

Not that I saw.

Thanks for replying. Very keen to see if this re-ignites interest in 3D.

I can't imagine how it wouldn't especially from an advertisers perspective. Imagine walking past a store front running a 3D loop from a huge glasses free 3d screen - that would grab my attention.

Not that I would wish 3D to become the domain of advertising only, quite the opposite, but anything that will spur on content creation should have a positive effect on the 3d market in general.

Would love to hear any further impressions of those who have seen this in person.

Cheers,

Joe.
post #97 of 106

It sounds awesome. But I have another question, the images that pop out of the TV, and some of them almost seems that are going to touch you, with this technology have the same effect? or the depth you see is in the interior of the screen?  

post #98 of 106
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It sounds awesome. But I have another question, the images that pop out of the TV, and some of them almost seems that are going to touch you, with this technology have the same effect? or the depth you see is in the interior of the screen?  
I hear it's just like being on a NYC subway - only you get your wallet back after all the money has been removed from it.
post #99 of 106
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It sounds awesome. But I have another question, the images that pop out of the TV, and some of them almost seems that are going to touch you, with this technology have the same effect? or the depth you see is in the interior of the screen?  

The images can have "coming at ya" pop as well as depth. In Life of Pi, the flying fish looked like they were jumping right out of the screen and into the room.

post #100 of 106

Any news on Ultra-D launch date? Their product seems pretty exciting!

 

Also, have you heard about Soliddd? Apparently this company is doing a similar thing.

post #101 of 106
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Originally Posted by M4ntis View Post
 

Any news on Ultra-D launch date? Their product seems pretty exciting!

 

Also, have you heard about Soliddd? Apparently this company is doing a similar thing.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1495465/ultra-d-glasses-free-3d-update

Go to this thread, we are talking about it there. 

post #102 of 106
I've seen a number of 2D to 3D real time conversion systems -- PowerDVD 13 is the best I've seen so far -- and it sounds like Ultra-D is way ahead of anything that's on the market for home theatre (at least at an affordable price). If the 2D to 3D conversion that Ultra-D uses is as good as implied here, will it be marketed as a separate unit for those with projectors looking for really, really good 2D to 3D conversation? This Ultra-D T.V. system sounds like something teleported from the future. I'm looking forward to hearing more about it. I have to keep reminding myself that when we're told it's ready for prime time, it still takes years before we can buy it, and maybe even many more years before we can afford it.
post #103 of 106
count me as one waiting to make my next TV purchase a 4K/UHD auto-scopic 3D set using this technology.

Can't get here soon enough!

-Dave
post #104 of 106
Are you going to ces?
post #105 of 106
I'll be there, I'd love to check this out. I made a note with the boot number so hopefully I'll get a chance.
post #106 of 106
I can't wait for an updated report on this technology. I hope someone sees it at CES.
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