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post #211 of 2566
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The Sanyo Z series were landmark projectors in their time. Everyone preferred the Panny AE series, except over at projectorreviews.com. I remember those days.

Yeah, just add a note that you chose to go with the W1070 after considering the HD131Xe. Give your owner assessment, or link to it, because I am sure that question will be raised again on how the W1070 compares to the HD131Xe. Let them know why you chose the W1070. Gives everyone an alternative point of view. All info, couldn't hurt.
post #212 of 2566
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Speaking of 3D, if you want to save some money you can buy the Estar America RF3D or DLP Link glasses. They are both identical to the corresponding Optoma models. THeir bitcauldron emitter + RF classes are on sale on Amazon for $60 (vs about $133 for the Optoma branded ones)

Do you know if the Optoma RF emitter works with the Estar glasses, and or vice or versa?

Nevermind. I read the review on Amazon and it states they work with the Optoma emitter.
Edited by niggenz - 9/12/13 at 1:16am
post #213 of 2566
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Do you know if the Optoma RF emitter works with the Estar glasses, and or vice or versa?

Could you please post a link to the RF glasses you are referering to? cool.gif
post #214 of 2566
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post #215 of 2566
FYI: Shadow detail is a function of Gamma and contrast, not a function of a particular device. I know some reviewers have done shadow detail comparisons, but it's non-sensical and they should know better. I can make any projector that has low-end gamma adjustments have as little or as much shadow detail as required. This is a completely adjustable thing, and there is no such thing as a projector having better shadow detail than another with similar contrast (unless you are talking purely OOTB modes, or a projector with no gamma calibration options).

Poor shadow detail means you have a preference for a brighter gamma at the lower IRE's. This can be adjusted on the Benq's calibration options.
Generally, many people prefer an S-Curve which means outputting a lower gamma number / brighter GAMMA at the lower IRE's at 25 IRE and below to 5 IRE.

I personally change my Gamma depending on what I am watching, some movies I find different gamma settings work better.

The Benq w1070 is said to be much louder than this projector (and I can attest that the w1070 can be sort of loud), plus the Benq is a shorter throw which means it is likely to be mounted even closer to you when you set it up and that further amplifies how much audible noise you will hear. The Benq does have more flexible "vertical mounting" with some lens shift.

For HTPC reading of text, I'd take the Benq w1070, as it has a sharper lens according to most people (and Benq's usually are sharper than Optomas), but for movies or 3D the Optoma is much quieter and this might lean me towards the Optoma.

RF is better than DLP link, so the Optoma should also have slightly better 3D than the Benq (higher contrast).

Ultimately, I think when it comes to the Optoma vs. Benq, the decision should be made on which one fits better in your room (placement options wise), and how adverse you are to noise. It doesn't take that much fiddling to figure out how to edit GAMMA, even without a meter you can do it easily enough (though it won't be as precise, but will be sufficient).
Edited by coderguy - 9/12/13 at 1:56am
post #216 of 2566
i just bought a set of the estars and will review them next week.
post #217 of 2566
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Yeap, it just comes down to preference especially when dealing with favored source material. Which is something we all favor differently (as you mention that even you do). In all honesty, with the 40-50 hours I put on the W1070 when I owned it, I just wasn't happy with how it handled shadow detail. I dumped it and took a leap of faith after stumbling upon the HD131Xe when I was actually setting out to replace the W1070 with the HD25e. Part of this decision was made due to the case being in my preferred black color, part of it was in my knowing that the previous versions of the HD25e and the HD131Xe were identical projectors thus adding merit to saving $200 on the HD131Xe over the HD25e, and the some part of it because the HD25e at the time was seemingly scarce and selling at over $1200. But most of it was due to the large void left behind from being dissatisfied with the W1070.

But because this isn't a race where photographic evidence can be presented to show a clear and decisive winner crossing over an actual finish line, there is going to be divided audience. Rather, it's a judged competition, a pageant if you will, with each judge having different preferences, experiences, affiliations, vantage points, grading scales, etc. And for me, the HD131Xe comes in first place.
post #218 of 2566
I'm thinking of getting the HD131Xe over the epson 2030 and benq w1070. This is given my prior good experience with Optoma (I think it was DV10 at the time) and just a dislike for the LCD harshness.

The 9" offset is getting really tricky though. I'm thinking of building a shelf and mounting it flush with the basement ceiling to obtain for offset between the projector lens and top of the screen. Do you know if the projection will work without inverting the projector? Basically I'll be using as a floor mounted projector placed on the ceiling, but I'm concerned that the it may not have the ability to invert the image that way.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks!
post #219 of 2566
Will it be able to produce a 101 inch 2.35 image with the lens 2.3 metres from the screen? Ceiling mount...

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post #220 of 2566
How accurate is the projector central calculator for this projector? It seems that I might just miss the ability to use this projector by a few inches to short distance in my living room...

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post #221 of 2566
Could someone tell me largest picture possible to get at any distance!?



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post #222 of 2566
Could someone who owns this projector check if the zoom lens is 1.2 or perhaps a little bit higher, like 1.24 .... I just calculated and measured that I cant enlarge the image to the 100" 2.35:1 screen that I have, at the horizontal distance of 335 cm that I have avvailible from the lens to the screen......argh
post #223 of 2566
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i just bought a set of the estars and will review them next week.

Just been in contact with EStar about launching the glasses here in Europe. Unfortunately they current have no plans for a European lunch at this time.
post #224 of 2566
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Thanks Nick. I might just try out a pair of DLPLink Glasses for a firsthand comparison for the hell of it. 3DTV Corp has a new 2013 version of their DLPLink glasses on Ebay that claims 1200:1 CR on the glasses. They are supposed to block out red better than the cheap sainsonics. I havnt seen CR published on any glasses other than theirs. After reading through various threads, it seems like only Bit Cauldron glasses are compatible with the Optoma RF Transmitter. The only Bit Cauldron RF glasses on the market are from Optoma, Monster Cable MAX, EStar America. The Estars are on Amazon, but have no reviews, but seem to be newer (going by date) than the Optoma RF 3D glasses. The Optoma RF 3Ds were released July 2012 according to Amazon.

I might have to mess around with the 3D Settings more. Right now it just isnt bright enough for me, even in Bright Lamp mode. 2D however is more than bright enough even in Eco mode and definitely exceeded my expectations. Anyone have 3D Settings to try?

Hi Miwo, any thoughts on the 3dtv Corp 1200:1 cr glasses or did you not get them? Anyone know if there are any reviews on them or if they think they would be better than the sainsonics? Here's what they look like.

LL
post #225 of 2566
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Could someone who owns this projector check if the zoom lens is 1.2 or perhaps a little bit higher, like 1.24 .... I just calculated and measured that I cant enlarge the image to the 100" 2.35:1 screen that I have, at the horizontal distance of 335 cm that I have avvailible from the lens to the screen......argh

I have the same screen u have and 3.5m fills the 100" screen 100% right. So if u go down by that much... You won't be able to fill the screen.
post #226 of 2566
R3b0rn, thanks for that. Indeed, I got the projector up yesterday and 3.3 metres doesn't fill the screen... I might swap my older screen or change the projector to something else...

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post #227 of 2566
Regarding rainbows, rbe, I see them on this projector but they are certainly faint and do not bother me or my girlfriend...

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post #228 of 2566
R3b0rn how do you switch between the aspect ratios?

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post #229 of 2566
Earlier in this thread it is stated that the 131Xe has 5 segment 4x speed color wheel. I have now found that it has 6 segment color wheel but it says nothing about wheel speed. I would also like to share that the 131Xe comes with RF transmitter and one set of 3D goggles in the united kingdom.

Here is what i found:

Projectors with Texas Instrument’s DLP ® with BrilliantColor technology feature multi-color processing to produce accurate and vibrant colors on the screen. The Optoma HD131Xe multi-color processing system features a six-segment color wheel coated with an advanced material that achieves superb color saturation and accuracy for extraordinary image quality. In addition, incredibly high native contrast ratios ensure clean and crisp black and white to ensure that text and charts are easy to read.

Source: http://www.consignia.ca/new-optoma-hd131xe-full-1080p-3d-home-theater-projector-hdmi-v1-4a-built-in/
Edited by exso - 9/15/13 at 7:55pm
post #230 of 2566
I am planning on replacing my 9 year old panasonic AE700 with this Optima 131Xe projector. I have just read through this hole thread and still have some questions.


1. Will this Optima 131Xe do 1920*1080 via VGA cable from my laptop? (Cable is 50 feet long).

2. Does it have 6X speed on color wheels?

3. Will we see rainbows? (Have never tried watching DLP).

4. Will it be too bright on a 86 inch screen with 1.0 gain in a totally dark room? (90% 2d and 10% 3d watching).

5. Will SBS 3D work from laptop with NVIDIA GeForce Go 6800 card?

6. Could somebody that has this projector test if the fan noise is the same if you change in meny from desk mode to ceiling mode? My AE700 increases fan speed when changing from desk to ceiling mode.
Edited by exso - 9/15/13 at 7:59pm
post #231 of 2566
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R3b0rn how do you switch between the aspect ratios?

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Well I do it manually. I use the zoomwheel. At full zoom it gives me 100" and when I zoom out I get about 87" 16:9.

Obviously I over project the picture. So I get the black borders on 2:35.1 movies outside. Which actually looks pretty good.
post #232 of 2566
Definitely strange. Was going to get the Benq W1070, but only have a 77" screen, and would have to move the projector about 5' forward, from where my Mitsubishi HC1500 is now. (In addition to the fan noise complaints) And, was going to get the HD131Xe, however, I've read complaints that the 3D mode is a bit dark...? My next question is (as others have posted), how can the HD25e have 2800 lumens vs the HD131Xe @ 2500, but using the same exact lamp? It sounds like the HD25e produces fairly bright 3D content, but neither projector really has that many reviews/comparisons. Anyone? Is the HD25e really that much brighter (despite, the "how could that be possible"?) :-) Arrgh, very much looking forward to upgrading to 1080p, and decent 3D as a bonus!
post #233 of 2566
Hi All,

I just got back from a business trip and I finally was able to sit down and really use my HD131Xe. Let me first say that I am still playing with the position of my screen(hieght on the wall and slight tilt forward to correct keystone), but I am REALLY happy with the projector over all. I am coming from a casio a140 which was a SD projector(nice picture and brightness, but a bit loud even on eco). Switching from the casio to the optoma was a night and day experience! The picture clarity is amazing, the brightness of the picture is also amazing. The projector is also much quieter and even during quiet scenes I barely hear it, if at all. The brightness and fullness of the color in the picture is exactly what I hoped for. I am running in eco mode and I have not seen too much of a pickup in brightness or even noise when kicking the projector into standard brightness vs eco. But I havent tried it for more then a few minutes and with only one movie. This projector is a bargin in my eyes and the amount I saved vs a HD25e or HD25-LV allowed me to even get 4 sets of the estars too! I had been on the fence as to which projector I wanted... at first it was the BENQ 1070, but I saw a number of small issues that made me hesitate and then I was fixed on the HD25, then the HD25e - HD25-LV. Once the HD131xe came out and was 200+ chearper... sorry but the price to performance ratio was too strong!

Speaking of 3D...
The black level detail is great and I just watched Avatar, Finding Nemo and Life of Pi in 3D. The pciture is of course muted with teh 3d glasses on, but the 3d effects were clear and the RF glass by Estar worked flawlessly with the RF emitter that I had bought in hopes it would work with my samsung 3d glasses(no joy). The Estars were as comfortable as other 3d glasses while wearing perscription glasses. The glasses NEVER lost signal and worked flawlessly. I was really impressed that they worked as soon as I switched them on without having to fiddle with them. Even with the reduced colors due to the 3d glasses the detail was still breath taking in avatar and life of Pi. I have nothing but great things to say about the projector and so not regret getting this projctor for a second.

I will try to take some pics to show how it looks with my setup and the detail. I must say that I will try to turn on the full brightness in 3d movies to see if it makes a difference. I used the settings located earlier in this thread, but would welcome any other settings since I lack a calibration disk.
Edited by arrow34 - 9/17/13 at 7:26am
post #234 of 2566
Just pulled the trigger on this. I have the w1070 so I will try to directly compare the two.
post #235 of 2566
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Hi All,

I just got back from a business trip and I finally was able to sit down and really use my HD131Xe. Let me first say that I am still playing with the position of my screen(hieght on the wall and slight tilt forward to correct keystone), but I am REALLY happy with the projector over all. I am coming from a casio a140 which was a SD projector(nice picture and brightness, but a bit loud even on eco). Switching from the casio to the optoma was a night and day experience! The picture clarity is amazing, the brightness of the picture is also amazing. The projector is also much quieter and even during quiet scenes I barely hear it, if at all. The brightness and fullness of the color in the picture is exactly what I hoped for. I am running in eco mode and I have not seen too much of a pickup in brightness or even noise when kicking the projector into standard brightness vs eco. But I havent tried it for more then a few minutes and with only one movie. This projector is a bargin in my eyes and the amount I saved vs a HD25e or HD25-LV allowed me to even get 4 sets of the estars too! I had been on the fence as to which projector I wanted... at first it was the BENQ 1070, but I saw a number of small issues that made me hesitate and then I was fixed on the HD25, then the HD25e - HD25-LV. Once the HD131xe came out and was 200+ chearper... sorry but the price to performance ratio was too strong!

Speaking of 3D...
The black level detail is great and I just watched Avatar, Finding Nemo and Life of Pi in 3D. The pciture is of course muted with teh 3d glasses on, but the 3d effects were clear and the RF glass by Estar worked flawlessly with the RF emitter that I had bought in hopes it would work with my samsung 3d glasses(no joy). The Estars were as comfortable as other 3d glasses while wearing perscription glasses. The glasses NEVER lost signal and worked flawlessly. I was really impressed that they worked as soon as I switched them on without having to fiddle with them. Even with the reduced colors due to the 3d glasses the detail was still breath taking in avatar and life of Pi. I have nothing but great things to say about the projector and so not regret getting this projctor for a second.

I will try to take some pics to show how it looks with my setup and the detail. I must say that I will try to turn on the full brightness in 3d movies to see if it makes a difference. I used the settings located earlier in this thread, but would welcome any other settings since I lack a calibration disk.

This is one of the projectors on my list! How are the rainbow effects for you? Not many people have this projector so I'm curious what people have to say. Thanks!
post #236 of 2566
I might be one of the masses that are not able see rainbows. But maybe not, I have yet to see any sort of rainbow from the HD131Xe.
post #237 of 2566
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I might be one of the masses that are not able see rainbows. But maybe not, I have yet to see any sort of rainbow from the HD131Xe.

Here's hoping I'm one of em
post #238 of 2566
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Just pulled the trigger on this. I have the w1070 so I will try to directly compare the two.

So what are your impressions of the W1070?

Take lots of calibrated photos and video of the two when you do your comparison too. Thanks!
post #239 of 2566
I'm going to try to take a lot of photos, but I will be a little pressed for time ...

My quick take on the W1070 is that, like you, I find the black level to be somewhat unsatisfactory. In scenes that are a mix of light and dark, a flashlight at night, say, it looks fine, but on a primarily black scene with no brighter areas to sharpen the contrast, blacks look washed out, which has the effect of flattening out the image and reducing the "pop" as you previously described it.

There are a few other quibbles--it can take forever to sync an HDMI signal and when switching from one part of a disc to another it almost always briefly loses the signal--something my old sanyo projectors NEVER did. Supposedly a firmware update helps with this but since I might return it, I'm holding off on any firmware updates ..

Other than that and the general build quality (it looks and feels like a toy) I actually love it. Brighter scenes can take my breath away--it gives you that "looking through a window" feeling--and the color accuracy, to my naked eye, looks spot on. I HATE unnatural flesh tones as they really take me out of a movie and this BenQ has very natural flesh tones which is a huge relief to me, coming from older LCD technology that could not be properly calibrated.

I'm really hoping that I will agree with you about the Optima's superior black levels when it arrives tomorrow ... The day when I can just sit down and actually watch a movie still seems a long way off.
post #240 of 2566
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HDMI sync issues is what I told Amazon was the issue with the projector. Rather than saying, "I didn't like it". Basically, I sold the RMA as a defective device and they took it back without question. Glad they bought it smile.gif. Your impression is exactly the impression I got with the W1070 and I can see it didn't take you long to come to that conclusion. I actually found the build quality on the W1070 to be sturdier than the HD131Xe but the color scheme on the W1070 does make it look like a toy from the 80's. Like it can transform into Ultraman or something. HD131Xe isn't perfect but ultimately after all the setup and calibration, it comes down to image quality and that isn't equal from my experience.

If you got it from Amazon, you will have 30 days to return it after they authorize the RMA. So you have some time. Hope you use the opportunity to make a detailed comparison; calibrate them both when you get down to your analysis, document the differences with photos and possibly video. And most importantly, be sure to pick a side.
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