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post #301 of 2579
I'm using these glasses:

http://www.amazon.com/3DTV-Corp-DLP-LINK-Projectors-Mitsubishi/dp/B004G2VJM6/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

A couple of the more recent reviews say they work fine with the w1070 as well, i haven't had any problem with them either.

I have yet to watch a 3D blu-ray with them, i played a 3D racing game on the ps3, watched a few youtube videos in 3D and played a few computer games in 3d and they all worked and looked fine, i prefer to use SBS because i have a lazy eye and SBS 3D is far easier on my eyes than the other types offered.

here is one of the amazon reviews

"I ordered these glasses to work with my Acer H5360 DLP 3D projector. I also own two pairs of the Optoma 101 glasses. Both work very well but 3DTV Corp glasses seem to hold the signal better than the Optoma's. I played Motorstorm 3D Rift on my PS3 last night for about an hour and the glasses didn't lose sync even once. They are much lighter than the Optomas as well so you can get through an hour without them pushing into your nose and causing discomfort. The Optoma glasses come with three interchangable nose pieces but it's really just semantics. They barely improve the comfort simply because there is just too much weight pushing on your nose. These are much more comfortable around the nose and look a little more slick. They also seem to let through a little more light than the Optoma glasses so the screen remains relatively bright; a big advantage over the Optoma glasses for anyone using a projector."

As for brightness the image does darken but it didn't really bother me, and i am always running ECO mode, so if you really want some extra brightness you can switch to bright mode for when you use 3D and then switch back after using 3D which shouldn't take too much of a toll on the lamp life.

Edit: was reading the comments to the review i posted above and one of the commenters stated

"Thanks for the reply. It turns out these glasses also work at 96/100/120 and 144 hz. I have a Full 3D projector and needed them to run 3D frampacking. These will work for ya with the next generation of projectors so be nice to them!!"

Xel
post #302 of 2579
Sorry for the silence, fellas, haven't had a whole lot of time to mess with this bad boy. (Well, other than watching about four 3D movies with the family :-) Need some alone time to do some tweaking... I like the Graphics gamma setting (seems to really bring out the blacks), but the contrast in that mode seems a bit much, as well as brightness - would you guys say that the THX optimizer is still a pretty good poor man's tuning method? (I'll have to pick up a Blu-ray star wars or Indy flick)

Anyway, initial impressions: 3D is pretty incredible, and while most claim that it's too dark, it's as good if not better than any picture I've seen in a theater. I'm very happy with the SainSonics, and they work flawlessly (well, not with the default PJ setting of "3D Vesa", as they would keep going out of sync - switched to DLP link, and awesome!!!)

I didn't notice a huge difference between the Eco and Bright modes (unlike my previous Mitsubishi HC1500 and Infocus SP4805, so I think I'll be pretty happy with the ECO mode. Definitely had to turn down the color setting, and I did reduce "Brilliant Color" down to 5 (from 10), as well as turning off dynamic blacks (the subtle difference was not worth the extra fan noise, which is pretty darn quiet, btw)

Overall, very impressed with the PJ, and I just need to mess with brightness and contrast settings with the graphics gamma mode.
post #303 of 2579
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Originally Posted by jclub View Post

I'm still trying to decide between this and the BenQ W1070. Is there that much of a difference in image quality while in eco mode as that's what I will be using 24/7? 90% of usage will be in 2d so 3d is not an important factor to me. I currently have a 106" manual screen that will work with the w1070 but with the hd131xe I'd have to downsize to a 92" screen. Also, I have an Optoma GT700 short throw 720p projector in my bedroom that makes faces glow orangey/red. Do you think it's because the bulb is too bright for my small room or that I just haven't calibrated the projector correctly? Thanks for any help and I appreciate the members who have given their opinions on the hd131xe projector in this thread.


Turn down "Brilliant Color" It will completely go away if it is turned off. I use it to boost light output. You wont need to since your so close to the wall,
post #304 of 2579
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Originally Posted by daveyhatton View Post

I like the Graphics gamma setting (seems to really bring out the blacks), but the contrast in that mode seems a bit much, as well as brightness

Thanks for pointing out the graphics gamma setting. I forgot it was there. I learned it can be beneficial for certain movies. For example, I love the movie Forgetting Sarah Marshall, but the video quality is soft and washed out, even on bluray. I changed the gamma to graphics based on your comment, and it improved the visual appeal of this movie.

However, when I moved on to another movie (The Heartbreak Kid, which I had already recently watched) to compare the gamma setting, I preferred film gamma over graphics.

So my takeaway is that if a movie or broadcast appears dull or washed out, I'll try the graphics gamma for that particular movie/broadcast.
post #305 of 2579
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Originally Posted by Birddoggin View Post

Thanks for pointing out the graphics gamma setting. I forgot it was there. I learned it can be beneficial for certain movies. For example, I love the movie Forgetting Sarah Marshall, but the video quality is soft and washed out, even on bluray. I changed the gamma to graphics based on your comment, and it improved the visual appeal of this movie.

However, when I moved on to another movie (The Heartbreak Kid, which I had already recently watched) to compare the gamma setting, I preferred film gamma over graphics.

So my takeaway is that if a movie or broadcast appears dull or washed out, I'll try the graphics gamma for that particular movie/broadcast.


No problem. I was watching Dredd 3D and Star Trek:Into Darkness 2D when I realized that the gamma setting made blacks much crisper, and was able to see more detail on clothing, etc...
post #306 of 2579
Anybody who uses this projector with htpc or has done some testing of focus on small fonts etc. - can u please tell me if you have uniform focus across the screen? My bottom third of the screen is blurry even after all keystone etc. adjustments. I'm on my second hd131xe, the problem continues to persist. Thanks.
post #307 of 2579
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rts View Post

Anybody who uses this projector with htpc or has done some testing of focus on small fonts etc. - can u please tell me if you have uniform focus across the screen? My bottom third of the screen is blurry even after all keystone etc. adjustments. I'm on my second hd131xe, the problem continues to persist. Thanks.

I read your other thread. I'll check this once I am fully set up. Hopefully this weekend. Here is my setup:

Wall to Wall - 16' 7"
Lens to Screen - ~14' 8"
Screen Size - 125" Diagonal 1.0 gain screen

Which is right in the middle of the lens's throw range.
post #308 of 2579
The HD25-LV has been reported to suffer of a image noise issue (see http://www.projectorreviews.com/optoma/hd25-lv/performance.php ), I wonder if the HD131xe is affected as well ? There are screenshots of 'The Hunger Games' movie, if you have that movie it would be interesting to get your opinion and see if you can reproduce it (note that some folks have reported that this issue appear at 24fps only - which coincidentally is movie framerate)

Regards

Vincent
post #309 of 2579
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Vincent Nguyen View Post

The HD25-LV has been reported to suffer of a image noise issue (see http://www.projectorreviews.com/optoma/hd25-lv/performance.php ), I wonder if the HD131xe is affected as well ? There are screenshots of 'The Hunger Games' movie, if you have that movie it would be interesting to get your opinion and see if you can reproduce it (note that some folks have reported that this issue appear at 24fps only - which coincidentally is movie framerate)

Regards

Vincent

This has been covered already in this thread.
post #310 of 2579
I'm on the fence about buying this projector to replace my HD66 is it a real noticeable upgrade?currently I'm projecting at about 12 feet away on a hundred inch screen. I'm hoping the jump in resolution will be noticeablealso hoping for better blacks and shadow detail. also am I right in thinking that I just need an RF emitter to use my current 144khz shutter glasses. I'm currently using DLP link but I read rf has better blacks because of the white flashes used by DLP link?
post #311 of 2579
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy View Post

I'm on the fence about buying this projector to replace my HD66 is it a real noticeable upgrade?currently I'm projecting at about 12 feet away on a hundred inch screen. I'm hoping the jump in resolution will be noticeablealso hoping for better blacks and shadow detail. also am I right in thinking that I just need an RF emitter to use my current 144khz shutter glasses. I'm currently using DLP link but I read rf has better blacks because of the white flashes used by DLP link?

I'm coming from HD65 and I did order HD25e with 2 pairs of 3D glasses.last night. I paid premium to be able to return it locally and if I keep it I will have an extra year of warranty. Also I like white color (matches my ceilign). Hopefully I will report in a week time... with my HD65 vs. HD25e showdown...
post #312 of 2579
I also wear glasses... or i cant see... not legally blind or anything, but I am quite near sighted.... Anyway the 3d glasses I have by sansonic fit over my glasses and work great.
post #313 of 2579
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Originally Posted by clark17 View Post

I'm coming from HD65 and I did order HD25e with 2 pairs of 3D glasses.last night. I paid premium to be able to return it locally and if I keep it I will have an extra year of warranty. Also I like white color (matches my ceilign). Hopefully I will report in a week time... with my HD65 vs. HD25e showdown...
thanks I have an HD 65 as well there isn't much difference to my eyes between the 66 and the 65 besides brightness.so it should be a close comparison
post #314 of 2579
Thanks. Please let me know what you find out.

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Originally Posted by niggenz View Post

I read your other thread. I'll check this once I am fully set up. Hopefully this weekend. Here is my setup:

Wall to Wall - 16' 7"
Lens to Screen - ~14' 8"
Screen Size - 125" Diagonal 1.0 gain screen

Which is right in the middle of the lens's throw range.
post #315 of 2579
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Originally Posted by pimpology26 View Post

Turn down "Brilliant Color" It will completely go away if it is turned off. I use it to boost light output.

I'm confused. The Projector Central review of the HD25-LV says that turning down BC "can reduce light output by up to 20%."
post #316 of 2579
Right turning it down does reduce light output. You should be able to notice a difference when turning it from off to its max value. When its at max value I think faces become "orangey" My older Optoma's bulb needs replacing and I have to leave it on a higher value to get decent light output. I'm deciding on getting another bulb or getting the HD131Xe.
post #317 of 2579
Well I impulsively pulled the trigger last night and bought one with two day shipping.... I'm on vacation next week for bow hunting and to get some projects done around the house and I will have plenty of time to play with little Gem... plus it will motivate me to get things done around the house. I also lucked out with a 50" plasma I picked up on craigslist for $50 that just needed a power supply so I figure I came out ahead enough on that to justify this rolleyes.gif.
So far in 10 years since joining this site I have gone from the X1 to an HD70 to the HD65 then HD66 and now this..... I believe I have an addiction! The HD 65 works great in the bedroom but Now I gotta figure out what to do with the HD66...I've already hooked all my interested friends on projectors of thier own.
Edited by augiedoggy - 9/27/13 at 4:59am
post #318 of 2579
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy View Post

Well I impulsively pulled the trigger last night and bought one with two day shipping.... I'm on vacation next week for bow hunting and to get some projects done around the house and I will have plenty of time to play with little Gem... plus it will motivate me to get things done around the house. I also lucked out with a 50" plasma I picked up on craigslist for $50 that just needed a power supply so I figure I came out ahead enough on that to justify this rolleyes.gif.
So far in 10 years since joining this site I have gone from the X1 to an HD70 to the HD65 then HD66 and now this..... I believe I have an addiction! The HD 65 works great in the bedroom but Now I gotta figure out what to do with the HD66...I've already hooked all my interested friends on projectors of thier own.

congrats !!!! If I were you I would sell your HD66 and for the money buy 3D RF ESTAR glasses :-)

I should get my HD25e w/2 RF glasses today (according to UPS)... woot woot

Since HD131Xe and HD25e are pretty much the same thing, what are recommended settings for 2D and 3D... ??

Thanks
post #319 of 2579
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Originally Posted by rts View Post

Anybody who uses this projector with htpc or has done some testing of focus on small fonts etc. - can u please tell me if you have uniform focus across the screen? My bottom third of the screen is blurry even after all keystone etc. adjustments. I'm on my second hd131xe, the problem continues to persist. Thanks.
I have seen people complain of this with text on the screen in multiple reviews of all 4 variations of this projector and believe it is a result of the molding of the economical optics they use...
Most stated it is unnoticeable for home theater use and only a problem with computer resolutions with lots of text in the effected area.... I plan on watching movies with mine so it was a non issue for me. Still its worth mentioning for those like yourself using it to display such text. I wish someone would have posted a screenshot for others to see how bad it really is (Hint Hint).

I have the same issue with uneven sharpness with text on my HD66 and chalked it up to cheap optics.(I also am not positive my screen is completely square with the projector lense due to so many changes)... You got to expect to make compromises for the cheaper price otherwise they wouldnt make as much profit or sell the higher end units.

Clark17, thanks....
I think I'm going to wait on more 3d glasses since I just bought 4 pair of sainsonic dlplink glasses and an external 3d converter box which may still come in handy since I dont know how the hd131xe will handle the free HD3d streaming from the mashup addon in xbmc which I have recently discovered (and Love) It is my understanding the hd131xe is not compatible with the 120hz refresh rate and theoretically wont be as bright in 3d mode as a result as my hd66 currently is... and even that is borderline unpleasently dim (or course I havent tried the bright mode setting but not sure if it matters since the lumens are cut automatically for 3d mode... one good thing about the hd131xe is even in bright mode the bulb life is rated as good as the low power mode on my hd 66 and I have been replacing the units every few years before the bulbs are anywhere near end of life.

I understand and keep in mind that you lose roughly 2 hours of bulb life every time you fire the lamp (and some counters automatically account for this) also you diminish the bulb life considerably by refiring the lamp while its still warm (This is also one of the reasons the projectors powercool the lamp and make you wait before turning it back on) I service UV printers and have learned this from the metal halide technology in both these and my salt water reef tank. I only had one bulb ever fail on my x1 and that was at 3400 hrs...(it exploded)

BTW I'm one of those few that love the offset this projector provides.... I can mount it close to the ceiling to clear my piano window and it still clears my ceiling fan and track lighting. without this offset I would be limited in placement.
Edited by augiedoggy - 9/27/13 at 6:31am
post #320 of 2579
I was watching Sucker Punch on blu-ray last night, and the "mosquito noise" was extremely high. I figured it was just poor blu-ray quality, but I read reviews stating how incredible the image quality was for this movie. I messed with different gammas, brightness, contrast, etc., and I even changed some of my BR player settings, but nothing made a difference.

So ... I used the HD-25 settings that niggenz linked to recently, and 99.9% of the noise was gone.

I can't comment on whether the color or anything else was improved because Sucker Punch has a very unique look to it. I'll know more as I watch games/movies this weekend, but I wanted to confirm that these settings did alleviate the noise issue.
post #321 of 2579
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Originally Posted by Birddoggin View Post

Thanks for pointing out the graphics gamma setting. I forgot it was there. I learned it can be beneficial for certain movies. For example, I love the movie Forgetting Sarah Marshall, but the video quality is soft and washed out, even on bluray. I changed the gamma to graphics based on your comment, and it improved the visual appeal of this movie.

However, when I moved on to another movie (The Heartbreak Kid, which I had already recently watched) to compare the gamma setting, I preferred film gamma over graphics.

So my takeaway is that if a movie or broadcast appears dull or washed out, I'll try the graphics gamma for that particular movie/broadcast.

Those of us with the HD33/HD3300 have known about the graphics mode for a long time. The HD33 series will switch to bright mode and graphics mode in 3D to increase pop and brightness. While these new projectors seem to have better brightness and contrast, it's all in how the lamp is used and not some magic increase in contrast from the older models. Typically, that increase in contrast is a big brightness hit or worse, a wavering lamp and weird fan noise--so most turn it off anyway. The newer specs sound better and brighter, but my bet is the HD33 series would hold it's own or better to these newer models, plus have better and deeper controls. I'm just saying, I wouldn't start dumping good solid projectors for something cheaper hoping they will outdo the past.

Another thing to remember is lamp wattage determines brightness regardless. It can be manipulated by adding a clear section on the color wheel that increases apparent light output and is often done for presentation projectors, or a better lens f/stop--which probably decreases the sharpness somewhat. A few of you have noted that for the HD25 series. Other than that, it can be enhanced by brilliant color or boosting the color. Either way, something will suffer, be it contrast, gamma, funky iris changes, increased fan noise or whatever--there's no free lunch.
post #322 of 2579
thanks for your feedback guys. I will use recommended settings.

threed123 has a very good point. If I had a decent 1080P PJ I wouldn't be buying new one. However I think my $500 5 years old 720P HD65 refurb (~800hrs on the lamp) is up for an upgrade.

I cannot wait for guitarman to get his hands one of these and after using his equipemnt share his settings with us (I still use his original settings with my HD65)
post #323 of 2579
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Originally Posted by clark17 View Post

thanks for your feedback guys. I will use recommended settings.

threed123 has a very good point. If I had a decent 1080P PJ I wouldn't be buying new one. However I think my $500 5 years old 720P HD65 refurb (~800hrs on the lamp) is up for an upgrade.

I cannot wait for guitarman to get his hands one of these and after using his equipemnt share his settings with us (I still use his original settings with my HD65)

I would definitely upgrade the HD65. I had one and upgraded to a 1080p and the difference is well worth it.
post #324 of 2579
Can you guys give me some screen advise? I am thinking of buying the Optoma HD131Xe, but I don't know which screen. I can buy a 100" matte white screen with gain ~1.0, or I can buy a grey screen with gain ~0.8.
The projector is for the living room. So there will be ambient light during some gaming and early in the evening. Is the projector bright enough for the grey screen?
post #325 of 2579
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Originally Posted by opperhoof View Post

Can you guys give me some screen advise? I am thinking of buying the Optoma HD131Xe, but I don't know which screen. I can buy a 100" matte white screen with gain ~1.0, or I can buy a grey screen with gain ~0.8.
The projector is for the living room. So there will be ambient light during some gaming and early in the evening. Is the projector bright enough for the grey screen?
I would say your situation would be best suited for the gray screen.... I also have a 100" setup in my living room and unfortunately its a matte white (took down the fixed screen and hung a plasma for much of the daytime watching because I got tired of the cave setup during the day. I bought a motorized screen on a remote which I love but its a cheap $150 screen so gray wasn't an option.
With ambient light the gray will give you better looking blacks. If you find a high gai. Screen they work well if the light is coming in from the side but if the light is directly focused toward the screen your limited. Also high gain screens don't work well I. Most living rooms because the people sitting on the left and right wall area see a dull flat image because the light is focused straight ahead in a narrow view g cone directly in front of the screen.
post #326 of 2579
Threed123,
While I agree with much have what you said the reality is there are often many other improvements such as improved DLP technology with better contrast and processing software and hardware improvements as well as possibly color wheel design improvements.
Do t forget.... most people favor the unrealistic plasma like pop and over the top colors that often. Accompany the noise.... I believe there was even someone in this thread who earlier commented about increasing brilliant color to make the grass look green on the football field.... when in reality its not very green in person. Its like eye candy.... it can be impressive to see but its not realistic.
FYI optomas parent company coretronics make a very large portion of the competitors projectors I. Their factories (like Mitsubishi) but they have a contract with all these other "brands" that allows them to put the other brands engineering improvements in their own optoma line after two years of manufacturing it exclusively for the respective developer of said improvement... so optoma projectors while sometimes being a bit behind others, are always adopting new improvements.
Sorry for the grammer I'm responding via cell phone
Edited by augiedoggy - 9/28/13 at 7:12am
post #327 of 2579
Augiedoggy:

All good points of course. I recognize the technology improvements as well--and your statements about eye candy are right on. One thing I've noted, though, is that the ability to tweak a projector is disappearing--perhaps, because the mainstream consumer is now getting on board the projector game. Previous projectors tended to have a lot of tweak controls, if not overt, then hidden for the installer to use. That's why I said, one shouldn't be hasty about dumping the past for the future and expect such a low priced projector to compete with more professional projectors. That said, the HD131xe does look like a tasty bargain.
post #328 of 2579
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Originally Posted by Birddoggin View Post

I was watching Sucker Punch on blu-ray last night, and the "mosquito noise" was extremely high. I figured it was just poor blu-ray quality, but I read reviews stating how incredible the image quality was for this movie. I messed with different gammas, brightness, contrast, etc., and I even changed some of my BR player settings, but nothing made a difference.

So ... I used the HD-25 settings that niggenz linked to recently, and 99.9% of the noise was gone.

I can't comment on whether the color or anything else was improved because Sucker Punch has a very unique look to it. I'll know more as I watch games/movies this weekend, but I wanted to confirm that these settings did alleviate the noise issue.

After watching several games and a couple of movies using the HS-25 settings, I can say:

-- the contrast (-3) was too low for my preference. I increased it to 0.
-- these settings make skin tones look very natural
-- football still looks lifeless (green field looks drab) with Brilliant Color set to 1, so I had to crank it up several notches
-- this might be due to the quality of the Dish Network feed because I watched game scenes from Any Given Sunday on blu-ray, and the fields looked fine (appropriately green as opposed to too green or not green enough).
-- also, blu-rays seem just fine with Brilliant Color set to 1, which is to say Brilliant Color set to 1 is better than any other setting, for my personal preference.
post #329 of 2579
Just noticed yet another projector that seems to be built on the same platform.... this one has 3500 lumens! ....model "EH300" and only 15,000 to 1 contrast due to the brightness.. all other featured appear to be the same except the speakers being adverized at 8 watts (each which is still 16 total) and a higher power draw due to the lamp. looks to me like optoma is making all these on the same assy line and just changing the case color and firmware in most cases... I wonder is they will take a firmware change to make improvements.(this is likely why optoma is only allowing firmware to go to those who resister the serial# and customer info

.. I remember changing my x1 to the screenplay 4805 with just a firmware change.

I ordered my HD131xe on thursday from buydig and even paid extra for the two day shipping..... unfortunatly looks like they just shipped it today (monday) and I wont get it till tuesday according to the tracking#.... I should have just bought it from amazon with free standard shipping it seems.
Edited by augiedoggy - 9/30/13 at 12:23pm
post #330 of 2579
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy View Post

Just noticed yet another projector that seems to be built on the same platform.... this one has 3500 lumens! ....model "EH300" and only 15,000 to 1 contrast due to the brightness.. all other featured appear to be the same.

According to the Optoma web site, the EH300 uses DarkChip2 instead of DarkChip3. This would probably be the explanation for the lower contrast. There may be other differences between the EH300 and the other models that I didn't notice.

EDIT: I looked again and the UK web site says DC2 chip but the US site says DC3 chip. Beats me.
Edited by fxrh - 9/30/13 at 1:06pm
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