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post #661 of 2565
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy View Post

I started with the x1 and then the hd70..... The x1 was actually sold under many brands with many logos and spec differences.(I just found my notes on it today while cleaning along with the SP4800 firmware I flashed it with.
It took a while for people to catch on I think we will see history repeat itself with the hd131xe and 25e and 131x-hd25

My hd70 was my second setup and then hd65 and hd66....all of these are still in use but the x1... HUGE improvement for me with the hd131xe.

I haven't used the X1 for many years. The HD70 took over long ago. (In a new upstairs HT.) But I decided to reinvigorate my basement HT with the HD131XE and before I took down the X1 I looked at a bit of Bluray through it. Although it is only a component input I was amazed at the seeming hi definition of the image. Of course it is only ED but what a beautiful picture. As soon as the new mount arrives the HD131XE goes up. Looking forward to it.
post #662 of 2565
Hi guys,

Im thinking of buying this unit as my first projector. Im a little worried about the focus issues I read about though. Does anyone know if the units shipped via amazon have this problem still? Also what ceiling mount , 3D glasses are recommended? I will need to run a 15 meter HDMI cable, will this long run cause any issues? Will be using a 120" fixed screen and can place projector anywhere from about 6.5 meters back
post #663 of 2565
Optomas have a history of typically having imperfect focus on many of their projectors (most under $2000). As I recall, it was reported that the Optoma hd8200/hd8300 and hd86/87 series had good focus, but that most of the lower-cost Optomas have had decent focus, but not perfect.

This is actually pretty typical of almost all DLP projectors in this price range, it's just that Benq has always been the leader in creating good uniformity with a cheap lens. So when comparing sharpness to the Benq, it's going to be tough to beat a Benq. I mean the Benq w7000 for instance is pretty much the sharpest projector under $5000, then followed by the Benq w1070, and projectors like the Sharp xvz-30000.

So I'm not sure if even the Acer or Viewsonic would be any sharper (maybe). Though if the Viewsonic does have perfect pixel mapping, I would say that I have seen some Viewsonics be really sharp looking with good uniformity, but I've also seen some Viewsonics with pixel mapping issues (like the Pro8200). Then again the pjd7820hd has a white segment in the color wheel and is too bright for most people in here, unless you have a giant screen.

If you want the sharpest projector for the money, the Benq is what you want. That said, I doubt you will appreciate the difference in movies, it will probably only be apparent in HTPC usage. The Optoma is going to be better than the Benq for 3D for sure, and 2D it probably just depends what you value most in the image (but I'm sure it's a horse race that can go either way in 2d).
post #664 of 2565
OK so my replacement HD 131xe has come in, and it doesnt seem to have the lamp issues the first one did.

I did a quick test this morning, and it looks great. Very impressed with the image quality (regardless of price point). Im sure I would get a better image if I paid 3 times the price...but for sub $1k its excellent imo.

I am mounting the PJ tomorrow and also putting the screen up (initial test was on a white wall, so should look better once the screen is up).

Can anyone point me to some posts with recommended settings? I cant seem to find ones for the 131xe.

Thanks!
post #665 of 2565
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Originally Posted by RogerRoger View Post

OK so my replacement HD 131xe has come in, and it doesnt seem to have the lamp issues the first one did.

I did a quick test this morning, and it looks great. Very impressed with the image quality (regardless of price point). Im sure I would get a better image if I paid 3 times the price...but for sub $1k its excellent imo.

I am mounting the PJ tomorrow and also putting the screen up (initial test was on a white wall, so should look better once the screen is up).

Can anyone point me to some posts with recommended settings? I cant seem to find ones for the 131xe.

Thanks!

Look at post #60 on this thread.
post #666 of 2565
I have a question about the remote control. When I press any of the buttons, nothing happens. The projector doesnt respond and the remotes backlight doesnt turn on. When I press both the return and any other button at the same time, then the backlight turns on and I can press any of the buttons and the projector responds. So, it is like I have to 'turn on' the remote control by pressing 2 buttons (the 'return' and any other).

Is this normal?
post #667 of 2565
No it's not normal. RMA?
post #668 of 2565
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Optomas have a history of typically having imperfect focus on many of their projectors (most under $2000). As I recall, it was reported that the Optoma hd8200/hd8300 and hd86/87 series had good focus, but that most of the lower-cost Optomas have had decent focus, but not perfect.

This is actually pretty typical of almost all DLP projectors in this price range, it's just that Benq has always been the leader in creating good uniformity with a cheap lens. So when comparing sharpness to the Benq, it's going to be tough to beat a Benq. I mean the Benq w7000 for instance is pretty much the sharpest projector under $5000, then followed by the Benq w1070, and projectors like the Sharp xvz-30000.

So I'm not sure if even the Acer or Viewsonic would be any sharper (maybe). Though if the Viewsonic does have perfect pixel mapping, I would say that I have seen some Viewsonics be really sharp looking with good uniformity, but I've also seen some Viewsonics with pixel mapping issues (like the Pro8200). Then again the pjd7820hd has a white segment in the color wheel and is too bright for most people in here, unless you have a giant screen.

If you want the sharpest projector for the money, the Benq is what you want. That said, I doubt you will appreciate the difference in movies, it will probably only be apparent in HTPC usage. The Optoma is going to be better than the Benq for 3D for sure, and 2D it probably just depends what you value most in the image (but I'm sure it's a horse race that can go either way in 2d).

This has me in doubts about the HD131xe and W1070. The W1070 is even quite a bit cheaper than the HD131xe as well. But I think its downside was the input lag for gaming...I think someone here said that. I've asked the store if it lets me return the projector if it doesn't turn out to be what I hoped, and they have no problem with that. I could ' try out' the W1070 first, if I love it, I keep It, but if I notice input lag (something I am not known with at all yet) then I return it. Price difference is:

Optoma HD131xe - 746 euros
Benq W1070 - 719
post #669 of 2565
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Originally Posted by RogerRoger View Post


Can anyone point me to some posts with recommended settings? I cant seem to find ones for the 131xe.

Thanks!
or try the hd25e settings and see how you like them.
post #670 of 2565
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Originally Posted by azzman View Post

Hi guys,

Im thinking of buying this unit as my first projector. Im a little worried about the focus issues I read about though. Does anyone know if the units shipped via amazon have this problem still? Also what ceiling mount , 3D glasses are recommended? I will need to run a 15 meter HDMI cable, will this long run cause any issues? Will be using a 120" fixed screen and can place projector anywhere from about 6.5 meters back

Focus issue is only noticeable when used as HTPC as coderguy pointed out. You will get fuzzy/soft upper left and bottom right corners. I do run mine with a HTPC, and I do enjoy it. I am hoping that fadius's lens replacement result from sending his unit to optoma is what us HTPC users are hoping for.

I run a 25ft hdmi cable to the projector, more than likely will have to go longer depending on the layout changes I might make.
Edited by mitgsx - 10/22/13 at 5:15am
post #671 of 2565
Ok I did some checking of my own. The biggest differences between the HD131xe and W1070 seem to be:


Contrast:

HD131xe - 20.000:1
W1070 - 10.000:1

Projection size maximum:

HD131xe: 7,64
W1070 : 2,35

So I need to decide what I want. I know that I like a very bright picture, I remember how bright my Toshiba LED was and I loved that. And it seems the Optoma definitely wins that.Then there's the maximum projection size, I already know that I probably won't be projecting more than 2,3 meters but still it's nice to have the option to have an even bigger screen size....the price difference is also only 27 euros. It's just that some messages have me in doubts again if I should go for the HD131xe or W1070. I wish I could just see both of them in a showroom, but it simply is not possible in my city. There's also a whole lot of W1070 footage on youtube and very little of HD131xe.

And what about the HD25? I checked some reviews which all were quite positive. Specs wise there only seems to be a ansilumen difference with the HD131, but what about picture quality? It's also 100 euros more than the HD131.
Edited by Moonwalker1982 - 10/22/13 at 7:28am
post #672 of 2565
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Originally Posted by Moonwalker1982 View Post

Ok I did some checking of my own. The biggest differences between the HD131xe and W1070 seem to be:


Contrast:

HD131xe - 20.000:1
W1070 - 10.000:1

Projection size maximum:

HD131xe: 7,64
W1070 : 2,35

So I need to decide what I want. I know that I like a very bright picture, I remember how bright my Toshiba LED was and I loved that. And it seems the Optoma definitely wins that.Then there's the maximum projection size, I already know that I probably won't be projecting more than 2,3 meters but still it's nice to have the option to have an even bigger screen size....the price difference is also only 27 euros. It's just that some messages have me in doubts again if I should go for the HD131xe or W1070. I wish I could just see both of them in a showroom, but it simply is not possible in my city. There's also a whole lot of W1070 footage on youtube and very little of HD131xe.

And what about the HD25? I checked some reviews which all were quite positive. Specs wise there only seems to be a ansilumen difference with the HD131, but what about picture quality? It's also 100 euros more than the HD131.
Are you asking about the older hd25? Or the hd25e which very well may just be a white version of the hd131xe... the older hd25 and hd131x where the same unit only different case. In service mode the hd131x even stated it was the hd25 model.(Optoma smartened up and renamed the newer 25e and 131xe as the VDHDNUE on both the model sticker and the service menus ) ... The "E" version is just the same projector with a more efficient ballast and bulb...

also contrast specs have to be taken with a grain of salt as different manufacturers use different methods to come up with numbers... I thought I read the benq actually had a higher contrast rating...
Edited by augiedoggy - 10/22/13 at 7:55am
post #673 of 2565
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy View Post

Are you asking about the older hd25? Or the hd25e which very well may just be a white version of the hd131xe... the older hd25 and hd131x where the same unit only different case. In service mode the hd131x even stated it was the hd25 model.(Optoma smartened up and renamed the newer 25e and 131xe as the VDHDNUE on both the model sticker and the service menus ) ... The "E" version is just the same projector with a more efficient ballast and bulb...

also contrast specs have to be taken with a grain of salt as different manufacturers use different methods to come up with numbers... I thought I read the benq actually had a higher contrast rating...

Thanks a lot man. See I had absolutely no idea about that, and now i know i might as well just go for the HD131 then and not HD25e, which is even pricier too. Thanks again.

According to this source the Benq has a lower contrast

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/321469/benq-w1070/specificaties/

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/332001/optoma-hd131x/specificaties/

I assume the higher the numbers, the better the contrast, right?

I can barely find any videos or much at all on the HD131, but a whole lot more on the HD25. It is good now that you told me that the 25 and 131 are basically the same, so i can check some W1070 vs HD25 videos. Which by the way i have done and one showed a clear difference in shadow detail, black level and whites, all being a lot nicer on the Optoma.
post #674 of 2565
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Originally Posted by Moonwalker1982 View Post

Thanks a lot man. See I had absolutely no idea about that, and now i know i might as well just go for the HD131 then and not HD25e, which is even pricier too. Thanks again.

According to this source the Benq has a lower contrast

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/321469/benq-w1070/specificaties/

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/332001/optoma-hd131x/specificaties/

I assume the higher the numbers, the better the contrast, right?

I can barely find any videos or much at all on the HD131, but a whole lot more on the HD25. It is good now that you told me that the 25 and 131 are basically the same, so i can check some W1070 vs HD25 videos. Which by the way i have done and one showed a clear difference in shadow detail, black level and whites, all being a lot nicer on the Optoma.
dont forget the HD25 and HD131x are the older different version of the HD25E and HD131xe which is what these threads are about.... it is confusing there is a youtube sideby side comparision of the hd25 vs the benq w1070 both out of the box and it paints the benq in a poor light in my opinion...
post #675 of 2565
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy View Post

dont forget the HD25 and HD131x are the older different version of the HD25E and HD131xe which is what these threads are about.... it is confusing there is a youtube sideby side comparision of the hd25 vs the benq w1070 both out of the box and it paints the benq in a poor light in my opinion...

I think you mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe-MNFW5PNk

If the differences are this clear, then yeah...i will definitely go for the Optoma. Sharpness wise i can't tell, but the black level, shadow detail, white brightness clearly wins on Optoma. Personaly i do prefer the colour of the Benq, seems more natural than the too colourful picture on Optoma. But that can no doubt be adjusted.
post #676 of 2565
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Originally Posted by Moonwalker1982 View Post

I think you mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe-MNFW5PNk

If the differences are this clear, then yeah...i will definitely go for the Optoma. Sharpness wise i can't tell, but the black level, shadow detail, white brightness clearly wins on Optoma. Personaly i do prefer the colour of the Benq, seems more natural than the too colourful picture on Optoma. But that can no doubt be adjusted.
yeah the optoma comes with brilliant color set up at 3 just lowering that improves things a bit. most who saw both in person choose the optoma it seems. and that video was with the older HD25 not the newer hd25E....different brightness and possibly other changes.
post #677 of 2565
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy View Post

yeah the optoma comes with brilliant color set up at 3 just lowering that improves things a bit. most who saw both in person choose the optoma it seems. and that video was with the older HD25 not the newer hd25E....different brightness and possibly other changes.

Yeah exactly. The chances of me choosing the Optoma are increasing more and more. By the way i was wondering about something. Let's say i was to buy this screen:

http://www.projectieschermen.com/manual-m-series-projectiescherm.html

The one on the bottom, how will i know if the projector can project exactly that size on it? Let's say after a day of testing the projector on the wall and i have found my perfect size...but it's not exactly 251x141 like the screen is...it's smaller. will that mean bigger borders on the screen?Or can this simply be solved by placing the projector closer to the screen? Man i wish it was next week already so i could just try it out.
post #678 of 2565
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Originally Posted by Moonwalker1982 View Post

Yeah exactly. The chances of me choosing the Optoma are increasing more and more. By the way i was wondering about something. Let's say i was to buy this screen:

http://www.projectieschermen.com/manual-m-series-projectiescherm.html

The one on the bottom, how will i know if the projector can project exactly that size on it? Let's say after a day of testing the projector on the wall and i have found my perfect size...but it's not exactly 251x141 like the screen is...it's smaller. will that mean bigger borders on the screen?Or can this simply be solved by placing the projector closer to the screen? Man i wish it was next week already so i could just try it out.
Thats what the zoom is for. It lets you adjust the projected image size bigger or smaller within a certain range limit so you want something close but if you go to projectorcentral.com there is an image/placement calculator that will give you your placement options and light output as well...thats what I use ... here

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-HD131Xe-projection-calculator-pro.htm
Edited by augiedoggy - 10/22/13 at 9:48am
post #679 of 2565
Augiedoggy, I am curious about the darbee dartlet as it seems that we have similar setup.
Do you use any contrast, sharpening etc setting on the bluray player or the projector or do you leave it all at zero and let the darbee take care of that?
I've read about the darbee, seems like an interesting device, but how much difference does the darbee make for your particular setup and how big is your screen?
post #680 of 2565
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

The biggest thing going over the Benq I think is the fact that Optoma supports RF 3D instead of DLP Link,
Think you meant 'Optoma supports RF 3D AND DLP link.' smile.gif
post #681 of 2565

I'm buying this projector soon, i do have limited space so the projector will only be situated about 7'8" away using the calculator which produces a 67inch (diagonal) screen or 4'8" in straight width. i really i want to know what screen i should use, or what i should use as a screen i'm not opposed to painting the wall or making a diy screen. Also i need a wall mount as i don't think i can use my ceiling, what do i need to know about the mount before i get it? i think i saw someone mention the screws earlier or something?

 

Any help is appreciated for a projector installing noob.

 

Thanks!

post #682 of 2565
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Originally Posted by SimonMango View Post

I'm buying this projector soon, i do have limited space so the projector will only be situated about 7'8" away using the calculator which produces a 67inch (diagonal) screen or 4'8" in straight width!

67inch is nothing from projection. In my opinion there is no point to go less than 100" on projectors. You need to look for shorter throws, like the Benq 1070 or 1080. I think 1080 would suit you best.
post #683 of 2565
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Originally Posted by hotjt133 View Post

67inch is nothing from projection. In my opinion there is no point to go less than 100" on projectors. You need to look for shorter throws, like the Benq 1070 or 1080. I think 1080 would suit you best.

At a distance of 7'8" one gets an image that is 123" to 157" with the BenQ W1080ST. That's a big screen. IMAX.
post #684 of 2565
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Originally Posted by silvereyes View Post

Augiedoggy, I am curious about the darbee dartlet as it seems that we have similar setup.
Do you use any contrast, sharpening etc setting on the bluray player or the projector or do you leave it all at zero and let the darbee take care of that?
I've read about the darbee, seems like an interesting device, but how much difference does the darbee make for your particular setup and how big is your screen?
I left my projector at the default sharpness and have the darbee set on HD mode at anywhere from 40 to 70% for varying content but I'll admit I havent played with it much or used it much yet....I have 100" setup
post #685 of 2565
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Originally Posted by mitgsx View Post

Focus issue is only noticeable when used as HTPC as coderguy pointed out. You will get fuzzy/soft upper left and bottom right corners. I do run mine with a HTPC, and I do enjoy it. I am hoping that fadius's lens replacement result from sending his unit to optoma is what us HTPC users are hoping for.

I run a 25ft hdmi cable to the projector, more than likely will have to go longer depending on the layout changes I might make.
Thanks for the reply

Thanks for the reply. I was just concerned as I will be having the unit shipped to Australia and it will be harder to get any warranty work done. Btw, any recommendation on a ceiling mounts for these units?
post #686 of 2565
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Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post

At a distance of 7'8" one gets an image that is 123" to 157" with the BenQ W1080ST. That's a big screen. IMAX.

That'st exactly how big a screen should be, in a home theatre, as long as your wall permits. I'm quite happy with my 135".
post #687 of 2565
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Originally Posted by azzman View Post

I was just concerned as I will be having the unit shipped to Australia and it will be harder to get any warranty work done.

My thinking is once it is shipped out of US, you're basically out of warranty. One thing is postage is very expensive, the other is the risk of some warranty conditions such as US only.

Based on the quality standard of Optoma lens, there is a high chance it needs to be replaced, which we Aussie don't have the luxury as the Yanks over there. So I just bought a Benq locally.
post #688 of 2565
Amazon claimed they would ship it for $33 USD to Australia. If it wasent for this lens issues it would be done frown.gif
post #689 of 2565
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Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post

At a distance of 7'8" one gets an image that is 123" to 157" with the BenQ W1080ST. That's a big screen. IMAX.

That'st exactly how big a screen should be, in a home theatre, as long as your wall permits. I'm quite happy with my 135".
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Originally Posted by SimonMango View Post

I'm buying this projector soon, i do have limited space so the projector will only be situated about 7'8" away using the calculator which produces a 67inch (diagonal) screen or 4'8" in straight width!

67inch is nothing from projection. In my opinion there is no point to go less than 100" on projectors. You need to look for shorter throws, like the Benq 1070 or 1080. I think 1080 would suit you best

 

Thanks for the suggestions however i have done it so that it fits perfectly inside my room i have about 5ft of wall to project onto (living at home as a student for the next 2 years) after that i'll be taking full advantage of a massive screen don't worry. I've done my research on the W1070 and the HD131Xe as i want to game and watch movies the HD131Xe is the one for me with it's low input lag and reportedly it's much better with blacks and shadowing. 

 

also based on the price versus a tv of equal size and performance the HD131Xe vastly outperforms and out-values every option.

Basically i have no point for the shorter throw due to my wall size also i believe the W1080ST is a bit pricier right i can't remember off the top of my head. 

The only thing i haven't done research on so far is the screen, i've seen some people mention about pure white screens not being best? but a greyish screen being better? also saw someone say they used just a basic white emulsion and it looks perfect. if anyone could take the time to talk about screens or colours that'd be great! 

post #690 of 2565
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Originally Posted by hotjt133 View Post

That'st exactly how big a screen should be, in a home theatre, as long as your wall permits. I'm quite happy with my 135".
lol if your sitting 12-18ft away maybe but at 8ft your talking sore neck and rainbow city.... come on people lets be realistic a screen that size doesnt belong in a closet sized room....
Suggesting something between 125-140" at a seating distance of 7ft is just bad advice in my opinion.
Edited by augiedoggy - 10/23/13 at 4:44am
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