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post #961 of 2566
Yeah, having a party this coming weekend, then off to Optoma.
post #962 of 2566

i think so,I got my W1070 for $800 when it first came out, so I think that really is a price point to strive for.thanks

paXMwh

post #963 of 2566
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Originally Posted by mitgsx View Post

Few examples of my corners, incase anyone wants to see. Hopefully these photos do justice to what I actually see.
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Edit after posting: Looks like you can definitely see the upper left and bottom right. I am happy with the other 2 corners.

Mits - thanks for posting. I'd definitely be unsatisfied with that as well, especially the lower right corner.
Almost looks like "ghosting" father than a "focus" issue (will that corner improve if you adjust the focus, which of course would through off the other areas but would be interesting to check)?.

In any case there's something wrong with yours that's not present in mine. Good luck with the return process I would hope that Optoma does you right. Including a print out of the screen shot for their and your records would be a good idea IMO.
cheers
Kurt

edit: looking at the photos again, where on the screen would you say the focus is best? Maybe it's the camera, but I couldn't find any pics where the text looked really sharp (see my screenpics where you can see the individual pixels and clearly edged "screendoor").
Did you have someone standing ~2' from the screen to tell you when to stop the focus ring? I've gone back and forth and back and forth before, but easier to enlist the wife to acts as my close-up eyes while I twiddle the focus ring.
Your screen looks like it has a fairly heavy "weave" as well, moreso than my Elite at least.
In any case, none of that would excuse the lower right corner's poor appearance.
Dumb question, but you did have your PC's video output set to 1920x1080 right?
Edited by kedelbach - 11/5/13 at 7:01am
post #964 of 2566
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Originally Posted by kedelbach View Post

Seems that some users are unhappy with the focus uniformity. Whether this is due to 1) a inherent "defect" in the manufacture or assembly of all units (in which case, I got a "golden" unit), 2) a QC/QA lapse that affects only some units or 3) focus uniformity is typical for a <$1000 projector; some people have unrealistic expectations in a "low budget" projector, isn't clear.
With the evidence provided so far, it's #2 and #3.

The only negative review on Amazon that mentions the focus uniformity admits he's running it at maximum zoom (with any projector, for best results avoid the last ~10% of any zoom/image shift extreme).
Thanks for the comment, without anything to compare it against it's tough to know.
I'm sure that there are at least minute differences between any two lenses, it's pretty amazing to think about what even a "cheap" lens like these are being asked to do, and how well they do it.

Oh ok i see, well it definitely sucks for the ones that have it. I checked the grid test pattern and don't really notice anything wrong. But i am projecting on a wall, not a real decent screen yet. Don't know if that matters.

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Originally Posted by talkaboutav View Post

Guys, I'm new to the forum but spent a couple days in this thread prior to buying mine. Thanks for all the great discussion.

I have an old Panasonic AE700 that I watched for about 5 years until moving into a new house and abandoning my HT setup. Kept it in the closet for the last couple years until deciding to build a HT into a bedroom and using "temporarily" until I got a Panasonic plasma. Well, that old 720 LCD had one last trick up it's sleeve - I fell in love with the 100" picture all over again. But I also realized that even back in the day I dreaded watching movies like Lord of the Rings on it because it was just too dim.

Skip to today, I am blown away by the quality of this HD131. Great brightness (but no, definitely not TOO bright), color, and contrast. And dirt cheap, to help me survive the last couple years of the 1080p winter before the real 4K stuff comes along.

My only caveat with the unit is that you get what you pay for optomechanically. It blows big time to have to literally build your screen alignment instead of just tweaking a joystick in the AE700 (I use a rear shelf and have much work yet to make it permanent). Functionally though, it gets the job done and it's OK for what is basically for me a throwaway projector.

Very happy with this unit. I love the blacks especially and I think this picture shows this off a bit (though it looks better in person).



Wow, how did you get the black levels so nice? You're in a dark room? I haven't painted my walls yet, but i will seen, i certainly don't have it nearly as nice as that picture. That is for sure.

As for screens, i definitely am planning on getting one. Hopefully in December. But what are things to look for? What is important when going for a screen? I don't necessarily need it to be motorized or anything and the price should be reasonable. If anyone could take a look at these links and tell me which ones are considered to be very good....that would be fantastic.

https://www.centralpoint.nl/projectieschermen/?reset=1&facet_116=16%3A9

I heard some good things about Elite screens in a article about projection screens. Are they really my money's worth?
Edited by Moonwalker1982 - 11/5/13 at 8:12am
post #965 of 2566
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Originally Posted by mitgsx View Post

Few examples of my corners, incase anyone wants to see. Hopefully these photos do justice to what I actually see.














Edit after posting: Looks like you can definitely see the upper left and bottom right. I am happy with the other 2 corners.
looks just like mine... bottom right is also the most noticeable for me.
post #966 of 2566
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Originally Posted by kedelbach View Post

Mits - thanks for posting. I'd definitely be unsatisfied with that as well, especially the lower right corner.
Almost looks like "ghosting" father than a "focus" issue (will that corner improve if you adjust the focus, which of course would through off the other areas but would be interesting to check)?.

In any case there's something wrong with yours that's not present in mine. Good luck with the return process I would hope that Optoma does you right. Including a print out of the screen shot for their and your records would be a good idea IMO.
cheers
Kurt

edit: looking at the photos again, where on the screen would you say the focus is best? Maybe it's the camera, but I couldn't find any pics where the text looked really sharp (see my screenpics where you can see the individual pixels and clearly edged "screendoor").
Did you have someone standing ~2' from the screen to tell you when to stop the focus ring? I've gone back and forth and back and forth before, but easier to enlist the wife to acts as my close-up eyes while I twiddle the focus ring.
Your screen looks like it has a fairly heavy "weave" as well, moreso than my Elite at least.
In any case, none of that would excuse the lower right corner's poor appearance.
Dumb question, but you did have your PC's video output set to 1920x1080 right?

Think of the perfect focus as a line running from upper right to lower left. Trying to focus the upper left corner sacrifices the lower right focus, and vise versa for the lower right.

It stinks when I am doing something in the upper left portion of my screen, I will go focus the lens so it looks great. Then my attention on the desktop goes to bottom right and it's terrible.

I think the camera isn't the best for these type of shots. I can see up close individual pixels in the good areas of the screen easily.

Though, I will try macro mode and go up close for a shot.

Remember, I am wall casting right now. Just painted drywall, not an actual screen setup yet. Need to get the PJ sorted out. My room is coming together though!

PC is set to 1920 x 1080 @ 60 fps via ATI 6950 and should be latest drivers.

BTW, when I had a friend over with his ChromaPure, I was tweaking with a 709 disk running via BR player. So the PC needs to get tuned in yet, via it's video settings.
post #967 of 2566
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy View Post

looks just like mine... bottom right is also the most noticeable for me.

Augie, are you happy with the PC output as a monitor?

I find myself a little frustrated when I try to focus my eyes in those corners.

I wear contacts, so I have to check to see if the focus issue is my contacts (blink multiple times) or just text that's just hard (small & fine) for the PJ to display.
post #968 of 2566
Forget my question about the screens, i posted it in the appropriate forum now. There is something else.

How important is it that i mount the projector at the recommended distance from the screen? (Optoma in the manual recommends to mount the projector 4 meters from a 100 inch screen) problem is, my wall is 5 meters away from the screen. Maybe this isn't a problem, because if i was to buy a wall mount i can simply use the zoom function to fix this and fill that 100 inch screen, but it still is not at the recommended distance. How important exactly is it? Otherwise i'll simply have to give in and mount it on the ceiling. Is the recommended distance better for picture quality for example?
Edited by Moonwalker1982 - 11/5/13 at 9:39am
post #969 of 2566
I tried to follow the Calculator as close as possible, and relied on the zoom as last resort.

Though I followed the recommendations of keeping the zoom at middle (50%) when setting up.

How high is your ceiling where it would hang at 3.6m (what I figured for a 100" screen at middle zoom)?
post #970 of 2566
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Originally Posted by mitgsx View Post

I tried to follow the Calculator as close as possible, and relied on the zoom as last resort.

Though I followed the recommendations of keeping the zoom at middle (50%) when setting up.

How high is your ceiling where it would hang at 3.6m (what I figured for a 100" screen at middle zoom)?

it's appprox 2.55 ,meters above ground where it would hang on the ceiling, this however:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2u8i0w7.jpg

Is blocking its view, it's only 21cm, so i need to find a mount that lets the projector hang a little lower than that strip. But its going to be quite the hassle if i am going to mount it to the ceiling. Wall would be so much better and easier. It however is 1 meter more than the recommended distance.
post #971 of 2566
Have you mocked up (temporary mount of some sort) the projector and see if it's within the ranges of zoom and focus at that distance?

Mounting too far out from the small wall might be a challenge due to PJ's 6lbs.
post #972 of 2566
I am also new to projector world. I bought this HD131xe from amazon and then use $50 toward Elite ELECTRIC100H.
I put it on celing, running 40ft HDMI, 4x2 HDMI switch between TV and Projector. Everything is in place and perfect now.
I have a question though. I am trying to power Chromecast dongle with projector USB port, but it won't.
I appreciate your advises.
post #973 of 2566
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Originally Posted by mitgsx View Post

Augie, are you happy with the PC output as a monitor?

I find myself a little frustrated when I try to focus my eyes in those corners.

I wear contacts, so I have to check to see if the focus issue is my contacts (blink multiple times) or just text that's just hard (small & fine) for the PJ to display.
not really, I am using a Darbee and it helps with the soft corners to hide them but I only really use it for video and XBMC. I only really see the issue when the HDMI signal indicator comes on in the corner or when text is up in XBMC. I may end up sending mine back though to be repaired. I still have the HD 66 in a box as a backup
post #974 of 2566
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Originally Posted by ngvuanh View Post

I am also new to projector world. I bought this HD131xe from amazon and then use $50 toward Elite ELECTRIC100H.
I put it on celing, running 40ft HDMI, 4x2 HDMI switch between TV and Projector. Everything is in place and perfect now.
I have a question though. I am trying to power Chromecast dongle with projector USB port, but it won't.
I appreciate your advises.

Chromecast is how I "bench tested" the projector. I had external power cable running to it, as I never tested the usb port for 5 volt source.
post #975 of 2566
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy View Post

not really, I am using a Darbee and it helps with the soft corners to hide them but I only really use it for video and XBMC. I only really see the issue when the HDMI signal indicator comes on in the corner or when text is up in XBMC. I may end up sending mine back though to be repaired. I still have the HD 66 in a box as a backup

From what I have seen, those Darbee's are pretty sweet. Could you live without one now?
post #976 of 2566
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Originally Posted by ngvuanh View Post

I am also new to projector world. I bought this HD131xe from amazon and then use $50 toward Elite ELECTRIC100H.
I put it on celing, running 40ft HDMI, 4x2 HDMI switch between TV and Projector. Everything is in place and perfect now.
I have a question though. I am trying to power Chromecast dongle with projector USB port, but it won't.
I appreciate your advises.
The usb port on the projector is for receiving a signal not sending. I don't think it's supposed to be used to power anything but rather for firmware updates. this is also why it's the b style port and not the a style port
Edited by augiedoggy - 11/5/13 at 12:10pm
post #977 of 2566
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Originally Posted by mitgsx View Post

From what I have seen, those Darbee's are pretty sweet. Could you live without one now?
it was certainly worth the $230 I paid for itbut it doesn't have as much of an effect on my plasma tv as the projector and I'm certain material it does not have as nice of an effect as it does on higher quality less grainy footage
post #978 of 2566
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Originally Posted by mitgsx View Post

Have you mocked up (temporary mount of some sort) the projector and see if it's within the ranges of zoom and focus at that distance?

Mounting too far out from the small wall might be a challenge due to PJ's 6lbs.

Well, i took the projector in my hands and moved it at the spot on the ceiling where it would be mounted, far from the ideal way to mock it, but there's no other way for me. But yeah it was within zoom range and focus, projecting a 100 inch screen or larger was no problem. I don't know, maybe i should buy a screen first after all, and then mount it so it fits the screen perfectly.

Something else...

Just now i was playing Skyrim on Xbox 360 and i wonder...is this all due to white walls? In the game i looked slightly at the sky,so that was very bright..this made the ground look totally washed out, you can barely make anything from this:

http://i40.tinypic.com/24v6w0h.jpg

But then i moved the camera more towards the ground where it was dark and voila..things can be seen clearly again:

http://i41.tinypic.com/8x687s.jpg

Is this all due to the reflection of the walls? Cause boy....walking around in this environment was a pain in the ass, looked so damn horrible, and its not like i can look at the ground constantly, lol.
post #979 of 2566
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Originally Posted by Moonwalker1982 View Post

 Wow, how did you get the black levels so nice? You're in a dark room? I haven't painted my walls yet, but i will seen, i certainly don't have it nearly as nice as that picture. That is for sure.

 

Just a white-painted room with some junk in it, but taken at night so no ambient light. Dynamic black at max. Settings from some poster WAY back in this thread.

 

Yeah, I'm delighted watching dark movies on this thing.

post #980 of 2566
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Originally Posted by Moonwalker1982 View Post

Well, i took the projector in my hands and moved it at the spot on the ceiling where it would be mounted, far from the ideal way to mock it, but there's no other way for me. But yeah it was within zoom range and focus, projecting a 100 inch screen or larger was no problem. I don't know, maybe i should buy a screen first after all, and then mount it so it fits the screen perfectly.

Something else...

Just now i was playing Skyrim on Xbox 360 and i wonder...is this all due to white walls? In the game i looked slightly at the sky,so that was very bright..this made the ground look totally washed out, you can barely make anything from this:

http://i40.tinypic.com/24v6w0h.jpg

But then i moved the camera more towards the ground where it was dark and voila..things can be seen clearly again:

http://i41.tinypic.com/8x687s.jpg

Is this all due to the reflection of the walls? Cause boy....walking around in this environment was a pain in the ass, looked so damn horrible, and its not like i can look at the ground constantly, lol.

Is that first picture with lights on or the camera flash on? I had a similar setup before and my projector never lit up my room anywhere near that, although it had many less lumens.
post #981 of 2566
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Originally Posted by talkaboutav View Post

Just a white-painted room with some junk in it, but taken at night so no ambient light. Dynamic black at max. Settings from some poster WAY back in this thread.

Yeah, I'm delighted watching dark movies on this thing.

Then i am very surprised, cause my living room is also nothing but white walls, but without covering them partly with dark materials, the black levels were terrible, blacks looked washed out and totally ruined the picture. I was told that was due to a angled white wall on the right of the screen. Reflecting onto my screen like a giant flashlight...really am expecting things to be quite better after the paintjob on all the walls,and soon after that a screen.

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Originally Posted by nickoakdl View Post

Is that first picture with lights on or the camera flash on? I had a similar setup before and my projector never lit up my room anywhere near that, although it had many less lumens.

That is a good question, cause i did take some shots with the camera flash on. I don't have the projector on now though, but it kept happening as soon as i looked into a bright area in the game, ,like the sky, all other areas that should be dark almost were washed away in terms of look. Dark areas became incredibly grey.

Anyone in this thread with a HD131xe that also likes to play games(Xbox 360, PS3)? I am searching for some settings to try out. I tested most of the settings posted here in older pages, but none of them look too special for gaming. It makes the games look dull and colourless.
post #982 of 2566
What are your Xbox settings?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906663
Edited by hyperactiveme - 11/5/13 at 4:44pm
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What are your Xbox settings?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906663

Optimal resolution which is 1080p.
Reference level is standard right now, otherwise with expanded it totally ruins AVS calibration, which is unfortunete, cause expanded brings a much needed darkness/black level to some games and i really like it, but according to the AVS calibration.i also lose detail that way and i don't want that. HDMI Colour space is either auto or RGB here. But i mostly meant...which HD131xe settings? smile.gif
post #984 of 2566
I knew that's what you meant but when I had my hd20 (this is similar) there wasn't the option to calibrate each input on it's own. Sometimes you need to set up the projector to the device you use the most. Then use settings offered within other devices to try and reach your preferred picture. Hope this made sense....... Somehow it does in my brain.
post #985 of 2566
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Originally Posted by hyperactiveme View Post

I knew that's what you meant but when I had my hd20 (this is similar) there wasn't the option to calibrate each input on it's own. Sometimes you need to set up the projector to the device you use the most. Then use settings offered within other devices to try and reach your preferred picture. Hope this made sense....... Somehow it does in my brain.

Haha, it partly makes sense yeah. The thing with the reference level and HDMI colour space is that...if they work properly for calibrating with the AVS 709 test videos, that's good. But at the end of the day, for me what matters most is if i like what i am seeing. So i bet i will be going back to expanded reference level often enough.It just makes black levels on 360 actually quite more black than standard, which makes blacks look very grey. There is also a colour space on the HD131xe's settings though, i have it at automatic though. Not sure if i should mess with it.
post #986 of 2566
Wow, what a difference in hdmi cables.

From this hdmi

to this hdmi

Colors are definitely popping more with no setting adjustment. Still issues with my corners though. frown.gif

Finally got the projector cabling and the 2 rear speakers ran.
post #987 of 2566
I bought an HD131Xe from Amazon around a week ago. I have been lurking around this thread for a few days now. I just wanted to say thank-you for all the great advice and option recomendations.

I have an HTPC with a Ceton Infini4 tuner, and am currently running the projector using a Ceton Echo as the source.
I recieved the ESG6100 RF-3D Starter Kit today and was pleasantly surprised at a simple install. The only configuration I had to do to the projector was Menu/Display/3D/3D Mode and switch back and forth from Vesa to DLP. Another surprise for me was that I thought I was going to have to buy 3D BlueRay's to see 3D, but this thing takes a regular TV broadcast and turns it into 3D. I especially like how the tickers and icons on ESPN pop right out at ya.

When summer gets back, all I will have to run is a Cat5e patch cable, and an extender, out to the backyard to have live TV.

Thanks again,

Crash2009
post #988 of 2566
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Originally Posted by mitgsx View Post

Wow, what a difference in hdmi cables.

From this hdmi

to this hdmi

Colors are definitely popping more with no setting adjustment. Still issues with my corners though. frown.gif

Finally got the projector cabling and the 2 rear speakers ran.
This is very interesting I've never heard of Redmere. Normally,The hdmi cables signal is digital.... besides dropouts and the whites specklies there really isnt any way as fas as I understand that it can effect picture quality.... its either transmiting the "1's and 0's" or its not.... I have read up quite a bit on HDMI technology and unless somethings changed there is no picture quality difference between a $6 hdmi cable and a $100 cable... the differences are in shielding to prevent signal interference and loss which cause the speckles across the picture or the video to drop out and lose connection.
now you have other features in the cables such as ethernet and return audio as well as "high speed" which is capable of higher data frequencies used for 3D.
that said the remere technology kinda has me confused... when I read up on it its seems to me more or less just a signal booster that allows thinner cables and the use of less copper... I'm confused on how it can change the digital color output of the transmitting device and effect colors?

Hopefully someone can chime in who know more about the Redmere technology.?.. I'm not impressed that they teamed up with monster.... those guys are a bunch of misleading crooks in my opinion. Hopefully someone else can confirm or educate me on how it can effect colors and such?
post #989 of 2566
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Originally Posted by augiedoggy View Post

This is very interesting I've never heard of Redmere. Normally,The hdmi cables signal is digital.... besides dropouts and the whites specklies there really isnt any way as fas as I understand that it can effect picture quality.... its either transmiting the "1's and 0's" or its not.... I have read up quite a bit on HDMI technology and unless somethings changed there is no picture quality difference between a $6 hdmi cable and a $100 cable... the differences are in shielding to prevent signal interference and loss which cause the speckles across the picture or the video to drop out and lose connection.
now you have other features in the cables such as ethernet and return audio as well as "high speed" which is capable of higher data frequencies used for 3D.
that said the remere technology kinda has me confused... when I read up on it its seems to me more or less just a signal booster that allows thinner cables and the use of less copper... I'm confused on how it can change the digital color output of the transmitting device and effect colors?

Hopefully someone can chime in who know more about the Redmere technology.?.. I'm not impressed that they teamed up with monster.... those guys are a bunch of misleading crooks in my opinion. Hopefully someone else can confirm or educate me on how it can effect colors and such?

Where did you read Monster? Monoprice however is a reputable company for cables. Just do a search for redmere on site and you'll find plenty of info. However redmere is more important for long runs of cable. I don't know about the quality of that other brand of cable listed, but comparing a 25 foot cable to a 40 foot cable isn't quite equitable.
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