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I have not seen 35 for well over a year have you seen it

Any news on COX cable last I heard they are still not showing some of the major networks like Bounce Tv

Bounce TV? Major network?

Yes, Bounce TV is getting a little long in the tooth now. It has been on the air for close to two years. Is on all systems in Southern California. With HBCU Basketball & Football and CIAA Football, and a new original comedy show. It's on all the major systems in Atlanta except Cox. Yes, I think pretty much all cable companies see it as a major network . I guess we can on go by the opinion of he major cable companies with the exception of Cox it is a major network. In Vegas, it is on the fastest growing system, Prism . Cox is losing customers, maybe that's why. Buzz is, Direct TV is putting it on in the fall.

Bounce TV is NOT a major network. It is "a digital terrestrial television network catering to an African American audience." It is a sub-channel. It is on no San Diego cable systems either because no San Diego OTA stations carry it as a sub-channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bounce_TV_affiliates

Does Cox Las Vegas carry KGNG? If not, they won't be carrying any of their sub-channels, of which Bounce TV is one.
Edited by domino92024 - 2/11/13 at 12:21pm

Cox (sic) refuses to carry local LPTV's. In the past they arm twisted KTUD and KEEN into paying to be carried, I've heard.

NO

Cox says they don't have capacity to carry many of the major networks. I can understand that these old systems just can't keep up with the technical advances. But I do think they could take off some of these infomercial channels. What are they going to do more new networks are coming on all the time?

Why the (sic) after Cox?

I, again, disagree with your classification of KGNG as a major channel. Hell, KGNG doesn't even meet must carry criteria.

No body said KGNG was a major channel. Just that Bounce TV is a major network. Your right most channels don't have must carry. Only about 6 of the channels on cox have must carry so the other 80 channels or so that cox carries don't have it. Are you some how under the impression that QVC has must carry ? Well sorry your wrong . HBO does not have must carry. MSNBC does not have must carry. So i don't get where you are coming from the point is most of the major networks don't have must carry.

Lets make it simple ESPN,MSNBC,FOX,TNT,TBS and almost all of the channels COX carries including the locals with must carry charge COX which then passes the fee onto the customer . Bounce which is on Prism and several apartments is not on COX your point that KGNG is not a legacy must carry station is a good one . So Bounce can not demand to be put on and or ask for bucks. So it is free to COX. WOW ! a major channel with sports and original programming for free? Where's the rub . It's owned and operated by african americans and is free over the air.

All new networks are subchannels or less cable only Bounce is both Cable and OTA and reaches more viewers that way they aren't just a cable channel just like all the top rated channels so whats your point

Domino92024 Which cox system do you work for ? Can you give us soon insight as to COX reasoning . Any help you can give or are allowed to give would be helpful . Thanks

The guy at KEEN said COX nearly bankrupted them. They say they get more response from OTA than they did on COX channel 129. COX told them everybody with a digital tv could get them but that was not true. Only TV's with and i might get this wrong with a "QUAM tuner" which most TV's don't have. I know I had cox and could not get them. I really like 17.8 i watch it when nothing else is on.

From my experience, declining to carry LPTV stations isn't just a Cox thing. No point in giving up valuable cable spectrum to a channel that barely shows up in the OTA ratings and doesn't qualify for must-carry.

Las Vegas is quite different. We have 4 lptv's on COX here . Just not the african american one we have two spanish ones and KTUD . But i heard KTUD pay 70 k per month for channel 14

It does not make it wrong to point out wrong doing. Debate is the highest form of intelligence.

Your point is well taken COX cable has stated they don't have the capacity, That the more modern systems like PRISM and Direct tv have but I know they have many less viewed channels than BOUNCE

We must stop the debate about Bounce TV because it maybe damaging to COX cable.

This is not the best approach for anyone including COX Cable. Cox cable has admitted to losing customers to Prism if you look back at my post I was not a Prism fan. But Prism has evolved they are more local and this is why I think they are growing and COX is shrinking.
Maybe someone else has a different opinion and that's ok. It appears to be a technical problem as DrDon has pointed out. Conventional cable just can not deliver the many channel the public is growing accustomed too. That does not change the fact that less viewed non african american channels are not being replaced with Bounce TV

Man, are you confused.

1) "Bounce TV" is not a major network. It is one of 8 sub-channels carried by a low-power OTA station which doesn't meet FCC requirements for Must Carry.

2) Only local OTA stations are subject to must carry/retransmission consent regulations. Eligible stations must choose either must carry or retransmission consent. They cannot choose both. Satellite delivered cable channels are not subject to must-carry/retransmission consent.

Your calling "Bounce TV" a major network is like me saying Sam Zien is a major TV star. Just because I keep repeating it doesn't make it true.
Edited by domino92024 - 2/12/13 at 9:36pm

Again...

1) Eligible local stations can ask for must carry or retransmission consent. Not both. So, your saying that "...locals with must carry charge Cox..." is quite incorrect.

2) Neither "Bounce TV" or its mother station KGNG can be called "major." KGNG is a low power TV station. "Bounce TV" is 1 of 8 sub-channels of this LPTV station.

Why should Cox carry KGNG when they already carry HSN (channel 17) ?? HSN pays a percentage of sales to cable companies. Will KGNG give Cox that same percentage of sales?

?? I have NO idea what you are trying to say here. ??

I am not now nor have I ever been an employee of Cox. The facts are facts: "Bounce TV" is 1 of 8 sub-channels on LPTV station KGNG. KGNG is an affiliate of HSN, which Cox Las Vegas carries on channel 17, and is paid by HSN to do so. Why should they bother to carry KGNG?

Ha Home shopping Channel has nothing to do with Bounce TV I don't get how you make a connection. But again your wrong.

No he's not. You're (noticed how the word is actually spelled) thoroughly confused and will not listen, or care to understand the facts. There is no sense in arguing with you.

Man, you must love the taste of shoe leather. "Bounce TV" is one of KGNG's sub-channels. KGNG is HSN on its main channel. HSN is already carried on channel 17, and pays Cox to carry it. Why would Cox want to carry KGNG as well?

Again what does shopping have to do with programming of BOUNCE TV it is about service to the customer not Call letters. Bounce TV is not about SHOPPING . Check it out. KLAS used to run LATV a Spanish network . Is CBS Spanish ? Your trying to make a argument that COX does not have to carry Bounce TV because they don't have must carry . That is correct. But only 6 of the channels again I say ONLY 6 of the channels COX carries have must carry. So how in any way is that a factor. Most channels don't have must carry can you grasp that again most channels don't have must carry why not treat Bounce like most channels instead of a few.
ONLY 6 channels on COX have must carry. Why not treat the black channel like the over 80 plus channels the vast majority of channels Instead of searching for a excuse why they don't have to carry it ,because it is not part of a very special minority. Of legacy stations left over from the FCC table of allocations from the 1950's. Your right Bounce is too new to be a 50's era legacy station. It was almost impossible before the civil rights act of 1964 for blacks to own or program a TV station before 1964. So is your point is tough luck to black stations and black broadcasting? Use you head . You right they are still being screwed I'm not proud of that are you?

Main channel where do you come up with this? They are all the same. You might make a argument that a station with HD programming has a main channel because one of them is HD. But in a all SD situation they are all the same . KGNG is a Bounce affiliate . KGNG is a ARIRANG affiliate . KGNG is a RTV affiliate none of these have anything to do with shopping, each are different affiliations. These aren't even all in the same countries let alone states or owned by the same people. The FCC has the same requirements for each one. The FCC sees them as one transmitter operating as 8 stations all rules about programming apply to them all the same only some of the technical rules are combined because they use the same transmitter. So again Shopping has NOTHING to do with any of the other channels it was just there first. Call the guy at KGNG I did. Shopping is on channel one because bounce did not exist when KGNG went digital. He said it would be foolish to play musical channels every time a new network came on. People know shopping is on 47.1 It is all the same. He also said new equipment is out that can allow you 10 or 11 good quality channels instead of 8 and as new networks come on they will do everything they can to give them a home.

I had no interest in KGNG until you guys brought it up. My only issue was the black broadcast channel should get the same treatment that the white cable channels get. But after looking at what those guys do at KGNG. I'm F'ing amazed. They put stuff on for everybody even if it cost them they have spanish they have Korean they have african american. The guy said I use the public airwaves so I have to do everything I can to serve the public. The KGNG guy is hard to get on the phone he is a little gruff at first then he will talk your ear off. He must be old because he starts telling stories about stations he worked for like 40 years ago.