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post #8851 of 9177
Why should Cox carry KGNG when they already carry HSN (channel 17) ?? HSN pays a percentage of sales to cable companies. Will KGNG give Cox that same percentage of sales?

Again shopping has nothing to do with BOUNCE TV programming. But the answer is easy why should COX carry the local african american channel ? Because it is the right thing to do. It is the right thing to payback the african american community . Most channels on cox get paid why not save some money and take one for free.
I don't know if they would get a percentage I really don't think KGNG would mind but you would have to asked them. They run commercials for PRISM and( Prism is growing very fast so I guess it works ) and they most likely are doing it as part of a agreement to get on.
post #8852 of 9177
Remember Prism a growing system carries BOUNCE TV , but COX a failing system does not. Yes they can come up with many great excuses for their failures but that in no way changes the very painful fact that they are getting less relevant every day. As time goes by people will see how many customers they have lost the ad dollars will drop off and the spiral to doom will got even faster. So if you want COX to survive you might want to follow the fast growing system and the apartment systems.
post #8853 of 9177
Ok, enough with this line of conversation. Not about local HD at all, though we generally give a lot of latitude to local threads to stray.

Cable networks and broadcast networks are two different beasts. The argument about not carrying KGNG is valid. The station isn't going to make a retrans deal for just one subchannel and they can't demand must-carry. Playing the racial card on that decision is WAY out of line. It's a business decision. Unless KGNG is willing to broker a channel, there's nothing in it for the cable company. Unless there's a sizable enough demand the cable company would see a significant increase in subscribers. And if demand were that big, Bounce would have made a go of it as a cable network, not a broadcast one. It's almost as if they figure their audience can't afford cable, so they're mostly inner-city antenna users. If anything sounds a little racist, that assumption does.

As for it being "the right thing to do" for a minority community, they'd argue that all those community access channels the government forced down their throat more than covers minority access. And they'd be right.

But, unless KGNG is willing to pay for the space AND provide an acceptable signal and the fiber delivery to the cableco, then it's not happening. And you know KGNG wouldn't make enough money from the channel to afford a separate air chain and the fiber bill to send it over to Cox, let alone the fee for the bandwidth.

So, that's enough on this topic. Move on.
post #8854 of 9177
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Originally Posted by domino92024 View Post


Why should Cox carry KGNG when they already carry HSN (channel 17) ?? HSN pays a percentage of sales to cable companies.

Will Cox (sic) give KGNG their share of proceeds from HSN. Notice that the 800 number in the lower left of the HSN screen is different for Cox (sic), KGNG 47.1, and KGNG analog 47.
post #8855 of 9177
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Originally Posted by BMillervegas View Post

The KGNG guy is hard to get on the phone he is a little gruff at first then he will talk your ear off. He must be old because he starts telling stories about stations he worked for like 40 years ago.

The KGNG guy, Larry Hunt of King Kong Broadcasting, is a seasond broadcast veteran with a heart of gold. He is very proud of his acomplishments, including putting KTUD-25 on the air here in Las Vegas and snagging a network affiliatian for the upstart LPTV station. Larry is also very proud that KGNG signed on many years ago as anothe Vegas LPTV station airing HSN. He is very proud that the station switched to digital and has sub-divided the bandwidth for a total of eight networks. Larry is also proud that he has placed additional networks on KEEN-17 Las Vegas.

I too may seem gruff at first, but will also talk your ear off when the subject is television. And it's a subject I have dearly loved since my first exposure prior to the 1953 FCC lifting of the freeze.
post #8856 of 9177
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Originally Posted by BMillervegas View Post

Again what does shopping have to do with programming of BOUNCE TV it is about service to the customer not Call letters. Bounce TV is not about SHOPPING . Check it out. KLAS used to run LATV a Spanish network . Is CBS Spanish ? Your trying to make a argument that COX does not have to carry Bounce TV because they don't have must carry . That is correct. But only 6 of the channels again I say ONLY 6 of the channels COX carries have must carry. So how in any way is that a factor. Most channels don't have must carry can you grasp that again most channels don't have must carry why not treat Bounce like most channels instead of a few.
ONLY 6 channels on COX have must carry. Why not treat the black channel like the over 80 plus channels the vast majority of channels Instead of searching for a excuse why they don't have to carry it ,because it is not part of a very special minority. Of legacy stations left over from the FCC table of allocations from the 1950's. Your right Bounce is too new to be a 50's era legacy station. It was almost impossible before the civil rights act of 1964 for blacks to own or program a TV station before 1964. So is your point is tough luck to black stations and black broadcasting? Use you head . You right they are still being screwed I'm not proud of that are you?

The point is simple: Bounce TV is a sub-channel (47.3) of a main channel KGNG/HSN (47.1) that is not carried by Cox. Thus, Bounce TV is not carried by Cox. Simple. It has nothing to do with black/white, although it sounds as though you want it to. Please list the sub-channels that Cox carries without carrying the main channel. I'll wait...
post #8857 of 9177
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Originally Posted by BMillervegas View Post

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Originally Posted by domino92024 View Post

Man, you must love the taste of shoe leather. "Bounce TV" is one of KGNG's sub-channels. KGNG is HSN on its main channel. HSN is already carried on channel 17, and pays Cox to carry it. Why would Cox want to carry KGNG as well?

Main channel where do you come up with this? They are all the same. You might make a argument that a station with HD programming has a main channel because one of them is HD. But in a all SD situation they are all the same . KGNG is a Bounce affiliate .

No, KGNG is a HSN affiliate. "Bounce TV" is a sub-channel of KGNG. Please, try to read a little before embarrassing yourself further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGNG-LP
post #8858 of 9177
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Originally Posted by domino92024 View Post

Please list the sub-channels that Cox carries without carrying the main channel. I'll wait...

Domino, that quote doesn't seem to help your case. Why would Cox (sic) not want to carry all local stations regardless of power or sub-channel placement?
post #8859 of 9177
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Originally Posted by BMillervegas View Post

Remember Prism a growing system carries BOUNCE TV ,

Prism carries ALL of the KGNG sub-channels. They've devoted 8 channels to KGNG sub-channels. Every system needs filler, I guess.
post #8860 of 9177
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Originally Posted by DrDon View Post

Ok, enough with this line of conversation. Not about local HD at all, though we generally give a lot of latitude to local threads to stray.

Oops! Too late. OK. I'm done.
post #8861 of 9177
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Originally Posted by rdvegas View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by domino92024 View Post

Please list the sub-channels that Cox carries without carrying the main channel. I'll wait...

Domino, that quote doesn't seem to help your case. Why would Cox (sic) not want to carry all local stations regardless of power or sub-channel placement?

Cost and/or logistics?
post #8862 of 9177
I think the answer maybe a simple technical one. Like COX said they don't have the capacity that the modern systems like PRISM has.
post #8863 of 9177
A brief timeline history of Las Vegas Valley sub-channels. 13Feb2013

First spotted Gone
KSNV 3.1 NBC -
KSNV 3.2 Universal Sports Sep 2009 5 Oct 2010
KSNV 3.2 Untamed Sports 5 Oct 2010 31 Dec 2012
KSNV 3.2 COZI 1 Jan 2013
KSNV 3.3 WX 29 Aug 2008
KSNV 3.3 Untamed Sports 19 Aug 2008 5 Oct 2010
KSNV 3.3 Universal Sports 5 Oct 2010 31 Dec 2011
KSNV 3.3 Antenna TV 1 Jan 2012

KVVU 5.1 FOX -
KVVU 5.2 WX Feb 2009

KLAS 8.1 CBS -
KLAS 8.2 NBA March Madness Mar 2008 Mar 2008
KLAS 8.2 LATV 19 Aug 2008 26 Aug 2011
KLAS 8.2 METV 27 Aug 2011
KLAS 8.3 NBA March Madness Mar 2008 Mar 2008
KLAS 8.4 NBA March Madness Mar 2008 Mar 2008

KLVX 10.1 PBS -
KLVX 10.2 Create 1 Oct 2008
KLVX 3.3 PBS Kids 1 Oct 2008 11 Aug 2010
KLVX 10.3 Vme 12 Aug 2010

KTNV 13.1 ABC -
KTNV 13.2 Traffic/WX 12 Jan 2008 12 Jul 2008
KTNV 13.2 SD simulcast of 13.1 12 Jul 2008 1 Oct 2008
KTNV 13.2 Mexicanal 1 Oct 2008 2012
KTNV 13.2 SD simulcast of 13.1 2012
KTNV 13.3 Cool 4 Jul 2010 29 Sep 2011
KTNV 13.3 Live Well 29 Sep 2011

KINC 15.1 Univision -
KINC 15.2 Telefutura //KELV 10 Aug 2010 27 Sep 2011
KINC 15.2 LATV 27 Sep 2011

KEEN 17.1 TLN 15 Jul 2009
KEEN 17.1 Legacy 15 Jan 2011
KEEN 17.1 Walk 1 Dec 2012
KEEN 17.3 Worship Videos 16 May 2012
KEEN 17.6 AMG 21 Mar 2012
KEEN 17.7 PBJ 21 Apr 2012
KEEN 47.9 So Cool for KGNG 5 Mar 2012 5 Mar 2012
KEEN 17.8 So Cool Videos 5 Mar 2012

KHMP 18.1 RTV 9 Sep 2009 2012
KHMP 18.1 Family Net 26 Nov 2009
KHMP 18.1 American Guns & Glory 1 Jan 2012
KHMP 18.2 A-1 9 Sep 2009
KHMP 18.3 color bars 2009
KHMP 18.3 Infomercials - 2011
KHMP 18.3 A-1 30 Dec 2011
KHMP 18.3 FamilyNet 2012
KHMP 18.4 TUFF 17 Nov 2009

KHDF 19.1 Azteca 3 Apr 2012
KHDF 19.2 TV4U Infomercials 10 May 2012
KHDF 19.3 4 Lease billboard 3 Apr 2012
KHDF 19.4 4 Lease billboard 3 Apr 2012

KVMY 21.1 My Network TV -
KVMY 21.2 Estrella 4 Nov 2009

KLVD 23.1 Daystar 26 Jul 2011

KTUD 25.1 Ind Sep 2009
KTUD 25.2 SD simulcast of 25.1 31 Jul 2011
KTUD 25.3 VAsian 26 Feb 2012 31 Dec 2012
KTUD 25.3 no psip 1 Jan 2013
KTUD 25.4 blank psip 1 Jan 2013

KELV 27.1 TeleFutura 30 Sep 2011 7 Jan 2013
KELV 27.1 UniMas 7 Jan 2013

KVPX 28.1 Son Life 10 Jan 2012

KEGS 30.1 blank psip 15 Jan 2010 16 Jan 2010
KEGS 30.1 SOTH 16 Jan 2011 2012
KEGS 30.1 Punch 1 Jan 2013
KEGS 30.2 blank psip 15 Jan 2010 26 Mar 2010
KEGS 30.2 Almavision 26 Mar 2010
KEGS 30.2 Enlance 11 Apr 2012 xx Apr 2012
KEGS 30.3 Son Life 6 Nov 2011

KNBX 31.1 SOTH //30.1 3 Nov 2011 2012
KNBX 31.1 Son Life 2012 4 Jul 2012
KNBX 31.1 Cubana 4 Jul 2012
KNBX 31.2 Walk //17.1 22 Oct 2012
KNBX 31.3 blank psip - 16 Jan 2013
KNBX 31.3 HOT //31.4 16 Jan 2013
KNBX 31.4 HOT 4 Apr 2012

KMCC 32.1 MEGA 20 Feb 2009 -
KMCC 32.1 Multimedios - 7 Oct 2011
KMCC 32.1 VasloVision 7 Oct 2011 1 Aug 2012
KMCC 32.1 MundoFox 1 Aug 2012 1 Sep 2012

KVCW 33.1 CW -
KVCW 33.2 THIS 29 Dec 2009
KVCW 33.3 The Country Net 1 Nov 2010

KMCC 34.1 MundoFox 1 Sep 2012
KMCC 34.2 Cool 31 Aug 2012
KMCC 34.3 Weather Nation coming soon

KBLR 39.1 Telemundo -
KBLR 39.2 Exitos 9 Mar 2012
KBLR 39.3 SOI 9 Mar 2012 26 Jan 2013
KBLR 39.3 colorbars 29 Jan 2013

K41IO 41.1 Enlace 13 Jun 2009

K43FO 43.1 3ABN 23 Oct 2011
K43FO 43.2 Proclaim 23 Oct 2011
K43FO 43.3 3ABN Latino 23 Oct 2011 12Jan2012
K43FO 43.3 DareToDream 12 Jan 2012
K43FO 43.4 3ABN-Latino 12 Jan 2012
K43FO 43.5 Radio 74 23 Oct 2011 2011
K43FO 43.5 3ABN-RD 2011
K43FO 43.6 3ABN-RL 23 Oct 2011
K43FO 43.7 Radio 74 2011

KGNG 47.1 Home Shopping Net 13 Feb 2009
KGNG 47.1 Lifetime 27 Feb 2009 27 Feb 2009
KGNG 47.1 Christmas 25 Dec 2009 25 Dec 2009
KGNG 47.1 Christmas 25 Dec 2010 25 Dec 2010
KGNG 47.1 Christmas 25 Dec 2011 25 Dec 2011
KGNG 47.1 Christmas 25 Dec 2012 25 Dec 2012
KGNG 47.2 LA18 13 Feb 2009 10 Apr 2009
KGNG 47.2 MBC-D 10 Apr 2009
KGNG 47.2 Aviva 19 Nov 2009
KGNG 47.2 Independent 19 Feb 2010 19 Feb 2010
KGNG 47.3 COOL 13 Feb 2009 4 Jul 2010
KGNG 47.3 Independent Music 9 Aug 2010 11 Aug 2010
KGNG 47.3 ABN 11 Sep 2010 13 May 2011
KGNG 47.3 AMG 13 May 2011
KGNG 47.3 Aviva Las Vegas 11 Jan 2011 2011
KGNG 47.3 Bounce 26 Sep 2011
KGNG 47.4 Movies+ 13 Feb 2009 14 Nov 2009
KGNG 47.4 MBC-D 22 Jun 2009
KGNG 47.4 RTV 24 Jun 2009
KGNG 47.5 Movies+ 14 Nov 2009
KGNG 47.6 MyFamilyNet 26 Feb 2010
KGNG 47.6 NASA 14 May 2010 14 May 2010
KGNG 47.6 AMG 16 Mar 2010
KGNG 47.7 Vmas 16 Nov 2010
KGNG 47.7 TVC+ Latino 12 Dec 2011
KGNG 47.7 PBJ 10 Oct 2012
KGNG 47.8 MBC-D 5 Jan 2011 12 Jun 2012
KGNG 47.8 Arirang 12 Jun 2012
KGNG 47.9 SoCool via KEEN-17 5 Mar 2012 5 Mar 2012

KLSV 50.1 JTV 19 Sep 2009 Feb 2010
KLSV 50.1 VOZ 31 Mar 2010 2011
KLSV 50.1 no psip 2011
KLSV 50.2 Infomercials 15 Feb 2010 Feb 2010
KLSV 50.2 JTV Feb 2010
KLSV 50.3 Infomercials 2011
KLSV 50.4 Infomercials 13 May 2010 2011

Corrections and additions requested..
post #8864 of 9177
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Originally Posted by BMillervegas View Post

I think the answer maybe a simple technical one. Like COX said they don't have the capacity that the modern systems like PRISM has.

Who at Cox said this?
post #8865 of 9177
Mid-afternoon today, 15 Feb 2013, Movies+ is missing from KGNG 47.5. The psip is still active according to a TSR reading, but a no signal message appears on the screen while all other KGNG sub-channels are operating normally.

Edited 6:31 pm: Movies+ was back up by 6 pm.
Edited by rdvegas - 2/15/13 at 6:31pm
post #8866 of 9177
Did anyone else notice that King Kong Broadcasting's KGNG 47.5 Movies+ 'monkeyed' around with their Friday night Saturady morning movie selections? Most were gorilla flicks, in keeping with their corporate name.
post #8867 of 9177
Sunday noon finds that Mako Broadcasting is doing something with their cluster of local stations. Both Punch on KEGS 30.1 and Cubana de Television on KNBX 31.1 are gone and replaced by color bars and tone. Also missing is HOT (History of Television) on both KNBX 31.3 and 31.4.

Edit: About 4pm, everything has been restored, and the hiccup effect on Cubana has been cured.
Edited by rdvegas - 2/24/13 at 4:51pm
post #8868 of 9177
Two of the KNBX sub-cahnnels are blank this moring. KNBX 31.3 and 31.4, both normally airing HOT programming, have gone missing. A TSR reading still shows the two sub-channels as being active but without a program stream.

And they're back!
Edited by rdvegas - 2/27/13 at 5:22pm
post #8869 of 9177
Cable shopping channel QVC might be coming to a Las Vegas sub-channel. Mako Broadcasting and QVC have struck a deal to place that network on at least one of Mako's stations in another market. What happens on other Mako stations seems to be what happens on their stations here.

The latest RabbitEars.info postings has QVC on eight Mako stations. It seems logical that Mako will include QVC on one of their Las Vegas stations (KVPX-28, KEGS-30, or KNBX-31).
Edited by rdvegas - 3/4/13 at 7:50am
post #8870 of 9177
Check your Mako stations. Mako has just added QVC to KTVP-LD 22.2 in Phoenix.
post #8871 of 9177
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Originally Posted by dhett View Post

Check your Mako stations. Mako has just added QVC to KTVP-LD 22.2 in Phoenix.

Nothing yet. Yesterday Monday the 5th, Mako tinkered with their Las Vegas cluster. They began by improving the Son Life signal received for broadcast in Las Vegas on both 28.1 and 30.3. Gone was the herringbone pattern. Also replaced was the brief appearance of the Almavision 'lost satellite' graphic on 30.2. Later, Cubana on 31.1 was replaced with color bars. They continue this morning. I expected QVC would show up on 31.3, replacing the simulcast of HOT, also aired on 31.4.
Edited by rdvegas - 3/6/13 at 7:48am
post #8872 of 9177
The reasoning seems unclear, but KHMP 18.1 Las Vegas is downplaying their Amrican Guns & Glory programming in recent days. Taking over is proramming from Family Net, which is often a simulcast of their 18.3 sub-channel. Also in the mix is programming from AMG. Much of that is the same content at the same time as can be viewed on KEEN 17.6. Local news on KHMP 18.1 seems to have disappeared, which was a simulcast of KPVT analog 30 in Pahrump.

Some changes may be in the works for latter this week.
Edited by rdvegas - 3/6/13 at 3:45pm
post #8873 of 9177
The angels aren't watching over our Las Vegas 3ABN affiliate K43FO digital 43.1-7 today. All sub-channels with the exception of Proclaim on 43.2 are silent.

Similar to last years' NASCAR weekend, there will be a special weekend only tv traansmitter at the race track. This year the station will be assigned special temporary authority to broadcast on channel 18 with a mere 12 watts. It isn't clear if the station will broadcast standard ATSC or some other format. It's believed that the event organizers rent receivers for those people in the stands to see in-car cameras, etc. Don't expect to receive the signal outside the NASCAR facility.
Edited by rdvegas - 3/8/13 at 6:08pm
post #8874 of 9177
KEEN 17 is seeing some changes this Sunday. QVC is added to 17.6 replacing AMG, which is now airing on KHMP 18.1. Also gone from KEEN 17.7 is PBJ (the West Coast feed), which also airs on KGNG 47.7 (the East Coast feed). KEEN 17.7 is currently airing a non-simulcast of SoCool Videos, similar to KEEN 17.8. The psip's have been chnaged to KEEN 17.6 QVC, and KEEN 17.7 Video1.

So my question is did Mako not secure the Las Vegas broadcast rights to QVC as they did in most of their other markets?

The angels at K43FO, 3ABN Three Angels, flip flopped from yesterday and now are broadcasting all of their subs except for Proclaim on 43.2.

Meanwhile it appears that K41IO Enlace is broadcasting at their lower power this weekend.

KTUD-25 is displaying this afternoon to their rf channel designations, at least on some receivers. Their service is showing up on 20.1, 20.2, and 20.3 (blank). Strangely their 25.4 continues unaffected and remains blank.

The WALK religious programming is popping in and out of signal today on both KEEN 17.1 and the simulcast on KEGS 30.2. This could just be some transmitter maintainance.

This afternoon MyFamilyTV disappeared from KGNG 47.6, perhaps just for a quick timeout.
Edited by rdvegas - 3/10/13 at 4:21pm
post #8875 of 9177
As dhett pointed out in the Phoenix HD AVS forum, QVC shows an HD logo bug, but is broadcast in SD 16x9 within the 4x3 frame.
post #8876 of 9177
At 12:30 pm today I noticed that the audio and video of analog KGHD-6 were unified, although with a slight lip sync issue. Usually the station broadcasts Hispanic music with a non coordinated video, ala a Franken FM on the tv dial. Television channel six analog audio broadcasts at 87.75, just below the 88.1 FM dial lower limit and can be received on many FM receivers. When all analog stations are finally shut down in late 2015, this FM on the TV dial will fade in obscurity..KGHD has an application to build a digital station on UHF.
Edited by rdvegas - 3/12/13 at 5:19pm
post #8877 of 9177
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Originally Posted by rdvegas View Post

As dhett pointed out in the Phoenix HD AVS forum, QVC shows an HD logo bug, but is broadcast in SD 16x9 within the 4x3 frame.

It's like that on Cox and Directv from time to time.
post #8878 of 9177
My main living room tv, a new LG, refuses to tune KVVU 5.1 and 5.2 today. Rescanning didn't help, even after deleting the old references to the KVVU channels. Yet the same antenna signal continues to power several other tv's thru converter boxes, and all find KVVU with no trouble.

Partially restore. I'm able to receive 5.1 by entering the rf freq of 9.3, but it will not store to memory as yet. 5.2 (rf 9.4) is still a no show for some strange reason.

Could any of this strangness have anything to do with the soon to launch Fox Movies! on their O&O's and selected others?
Edited by rdvegas - 3/13/13 at 12:43pm
post #8879 of 9177
The four sub-channels of KHMP-18 are playing hide-and-go-seek today.
post #8880 of 9177
When PSIP info goes awry

When the digital/HD conversion kicked-in several years ago, one of the nice things for the viewer was the info contained within a stations PSIP. Program info and correct time is a real boon to the viewer.

Yet too many of our local tv broadcasters aren't giving their PSIP their full attention. Less than half of our local stations are getting their PSIP's correct; including the correect time and some program descriptions. Those stations getting it right are KSNV-3, KLAS-8, KLVX-10, KTNV-13, KVMY-21, KTUD-25, KVCW-33, KMCC-34, KBLR-39, and K43FO-43. Thanks for their efforts.

Here's a list of our local broadcasters not getting full use of their PSIP stream, and why they could be doing a better job:
KVVU-5 clock one hour slow
KINC-15 clock 30 minutes fast
KEEN-17 clock 3 minutes fast and no program info provided
KHMP-18 no program info provided
KHDF-19 clock 4 hours slow and some tv's cannot tune their 19.2, 19.3 and 19.4 sub-channels
KLVD-23 clock one day slow and no program info provided
KELV-27 clock 28 minutes slow
KVPX-28 clock 4 hours 19 minutes fast and no program info provided
KEGS-30 no program info provided
KNBX-31 clock 94 years, 4 months, 7 days, 7 hours fast and no program info provided
K41IO-41 clock 25 minutes fast and no program info provided
KGNG-47 clock one hour slow and no program info provided
KLSV-50 clock one hour slow and no program info provided.

Any station employee who thinks the viewer doesn't check the program description from time to time is fully wrong.
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