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post #781 of 1299
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

It is incredible isn't it? There is so much going on it is impossible to listen without it. It is mission impossible.

I have still not watched one movie since selling my Foundation. I have tried everything with the Oppo going straight to my amps. But there is something very important missing. And a lot of it. I know this is not really possible but it sure seams that way.

If it is psychoaccoustic you might as well call the doctor because I need a strait jacket.
Well, I REALLY hope you get a new Foundation soon so that you can enjoy it again like I do at present. And I really hope Krell can sort out the little problems so the Foundation can get the accolades it deserves. I can't wait to hear what Kal has to say in his review minus the little issues. I hold thumbs for you to get in a position to get yours back again.
post #782 of 1299
Ps. Maybe if Krell reads this forum they'll give you a good price on one because you've been a very good ambassador for the Foundation!
post #783 of 1299
Well thank you very much. I will get another one. Hopefully it won't take to long.

Actually I wish I worked for them in there customer service department. I would be working hard to get these problems solved. I think the Evo 707 is holding the Foundation back. The Foundation could I believe compete with much more expensive processors if they would open it up. Sound quality wise it is there. They need to open up the processing power. It is capable of so much more.
post #784 of 1299
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

Well thank you very much. I will get another one. Hopefully it won't take to long.

Actually I wish I worked for them in there customer service department. I would be working hard to get these problems solved. I think the Evo 707 is holding the Foundation back. The Foundation could I believe compete with much more expensive processors if they would open it up. Sound quality wise it is there. They need to open up the processing power. It is capable of so much more.
I agree after listening today and watching my first movie.
post #785 of 1299
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

PS just looked up the price of the old Arcam and it sold for 8000. So the new one probably is going to be at least that much if not more. This is us price. ProAudioSlave are you in Europe?

I missed this bit before. I am in the UK. The AV9/P7 that I owned were £6000 for the pair. The AV888/P777 jumped up to £9000 for the pair, but there far too many issues with the AV88 for me to seriously consider it. The AV950 is to be released at £6000, plus £4400 for the P777 if they keep it at the same price. Unless the AV950 is a huge step up from the AV888 and is being released bug free, I think are going to struggle to sell it at that price.
post #786 of 1299
Yes they probably are going to struggle. They are putting this in a price range of many a high end brand.
post #787 of 1299
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Originally Posted by ProAudioSlave View Post

I missed this bit before. I am in the UK. The AV9/P7 that I owned were £6000 for the pair. The AV888/P777 jumped up to £9000 for the pair, but there far too many issues with the AV88 for me to seriously consider it. The AV950 is to be released at £6000, plus £4400 for the P777 if they keep it at the same price. Unless the AV950 is a huge step up from the AV888 and is being released bug free, I think are going to struggle to sell it at that price.
How much does the Foundation go for in the UK?
post #788 of 1299
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Originally Posted by vvuuren View Post

How much does the Foundation go for in the UK?
£6500
post #789 of 1299
Strange thing this AM. Listened to Sting Brand new day (excellent sound on Foundation). Started fine then suddenly could only get stereo. Tried everything without success until I actually changed HDMI cables around (I have one going from Oppo to Foundation and other directly to my display). Then suddenly playd in multichannel again. I didn't change anything in Oppo menu or Foundation and before it was working fine. I have a feeling it was the Oppo causing the problem. Anyone with same experience?
post #790 of 1299
Sorry for the noob question but I did a search and couldn't find anything. Any opinions how ARES stacks up against XT32 and ARC. I do lean towards the HT side of things. Thank you.
post #791 of 1299
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Originally Posted by vvuuren View Post

Strange thing this AM. Listened to Sting Brand new day (excellent sound on Foundation). Started fine then suddenly could only get stereo. Tried everything without success until I actually changed HDMI cables around (I have one going from Oppo to Foundation and other directly to my display). Then suddenly playd in multichannel again. I didn't change anything in Oppo menu or Foundation and before it was working fine. I have a feeling it was the Oppo causing the problem. Anyone with same experience?

Could have been oppo or Foundation loosing the hdmi lock for some reason. Hdmi is a screwed up connection type. I know the high end companies would like to see it gone. I had my Oppo act up constantly with my old Integra processor. It still acted up with the Foundation but only a couple times.
post #792 of 1299
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Sorry for the noob question but I did a search and couldn't find anything. Any opinions how ARES stacks up against XT32 and ARC. I do lean towards the HT side of things. Thank you.
In my room I really liked what ARES did but I don't have experience with the others in this specific setup unfortunately.
post #793 of 1299
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

Could have been oppo or Foundation loosing the hdmi lock for some reason. Hdmi is a screwed up connection type. I know the high end companies would like to see it gone. I had my Oppo act up constantly with my old Integra processor. It still acted up with the Foundation but only a couple times.
Fortunately working fine since with the usual great sound. Just frustrating when it happened. Tried just unplugging and reattaching the cables and also powering off and on all equipment without luck. Only when I switched outputs it was fine!
post #794 of 1299
There, the Foundation just paid for it self!!! Our first movie night at home with my family. I enjoyed it because the sound was amazing! Family enjoyed the movie and my night was made when my daughter said "amazing sound dad". We'll make this a regular for sure. I always enjoy the sound in my system but now the whole family can have some fun and I get time to enjoy with the family thanks to the Foundation. And we rocked the place!!!
post #795 of 1299
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Sorry for the noob question but I did a search and couldn't find anything. Any opinions how ARES stacks up against XT32 and ARC. I do lean towards the HT side of things. Thank you.

The difficult part of comparing such technologies is that it's never easy to separate the rest of the pre-amp from the room EQ. Most Processors or AVR's with XT32 are much cheaper than the Foundation, with the exception of the big Denon from a few years ago, so you already have a big jump in sound quality before you even consider the improvements offered by room EQ. In one of the reviews the Foundation compares favourably to the Anthem D2V, whether ACR vs ARES is taken into full consideration is another question, as it it just a brief comment and not fully explained.

I wasn't expecting much from ARES, but it's actually pretty good. I wouldn't say it's as good as XT32 or ARC, but I've always prefered multipoint room EQ that also offers the possibility to tailor the results at least a little bit. But then, I believe that there are limitations that are brought to any Processor or AVR by XT32 or ARC that maybe ARES might have avoided. i don't know enough about them all to know the technical difference and getting a company to admit to a limitation in their room EQ technology is nigh on impossible anyway.
post #796 of 1299
I think you hit the nail on the head. I had multieqxt not 32. The Foundation after ares sounds so much better. But how do we know it is ares or the design of the different processors. And as we found out with the Marantz there are limitations in the processing power after a full eq with some products. Apparently the Anthem doesn't have this problem. Maybe the Foundation doesn't either. Just don't know without that kind of test.
post #797 of 1299
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Originally Posted by ProAudioSlave View Post

The difficult part of comparing such technologies is that it's never easy to separate the rest of the pre-amp from the room EQ. Most Processors or AVR's with XT32 are much cheaper than the Foundation, with the exception of the big Denon from a few years ago, so you already have a big jump in sound quality before you even consider the improvements offered by room EQ. In one of the reviews the Foundation compares favourably to the Anthem D2V, whether ACR vs ARES is taken into full consideration is another question, as it it just a brief comment and not fully explained.

I wasn't expecting much from ARES, but it's actually pretty good. I wouldn't say it's as good as XT32 or ARC, but I've always prefered multipoint room EQ that also offers the possibility to tailor the results at least a little bit. But then, I believe that there are limitations that are brought to any Processor or AVR by XT32 or ARC that maybe ARES might have avoided. i don't know enough about them all to know the technical difference and getting a company to admit to a limitation in their room EQ technology is nigh on impossible anyway.

Thank you all for the comments. i am going through an upgrade cycle . New speakers on order, acoustical treatments went in last week. Now to make a decision on a new processor. I am considering the av8801, the foundation and the D2v. All different price points and all have their pros and cons.
post #798 of 1299
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Thank you all for the comments. i am going through an upgrade cycle . New speakers on order, acoustical treatments went in last week. Now to make a decision on a new processor. I am considering the av8801, the foundation and the D2v. All different price points and all have their pros and cons.

I was also considering the Anthem d2v, until the Foundation came along. I'm trying to find out more about how they all compare as far as the onboard processing is concerned. I know the limitations of the AV8801, but I would like to know if the Krell and Anthem have the same limitations. I would not expect them to, but I guess you never know.
post #799 of 1299
Don't believe the Anthem has the limitation of downsampling
post #800 of 1299
I believe it may only be the MRX series that has limitations, but just never had it confirmed that the 50v or d2v was, for definite, any different. Considering the d2v has been around for about 5 years now, I wouldn't be confident buying a processor that still isn't stable after that amount of time. It's only that the Foundation is still a relatively new product that I can see past the issues that I've experienced and believe it could be something very special, hopefully by the end of the year.
post #801 of 1299
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Originally Posted by ProAudioSlave View Post

I believe it may only be the MRX series that has limitations, but just never had it confirmed that the 50v or d2v was, for definite, any different. Considering the d2v has been around for about 5 years now, I wouldn't be confident buying a processor that still isn't stable after that amount of time. It's only that the Foundation is still a relatively new product that I can see past the issues that I've experienced and believe it could be something very special, hopefully by the end of the year.

Yeah guess I dont blame you on the confidence thing. And if you go back in the Marantz 8801 thread good lord it was a few months ago I believe. Someone posted the results of a test that some reviewer did on the downsampling. I am pretty sure the 50v didnt. Well I guess I have to take some of that back. It will do 24 96
Edited by rhale64L7 - 1/26/14 at 9:56am
post #802 of 1299
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

Yeah guess I dont blame you on the confidence thing. And if you go back in the Marantz 8801 thread good lord it was a few months ago I believe. Someone posted the results of a test that some reviewer did on the downsampling. I am pretty sure the 50v didnt. Well I guess I have to take some of that back. It will do 24 96
has anyone compared the Foundation to the D2v (I know theres a big price difference)?
post #803 of 1299
Ps. The Anthem doesn't look nearly as good as the Foundation (and I'm Canadian and should love our own)!
post #804 of 1299
I don't believe so. However that one reviewer said the Foundation reminded him of the d2v. But he hadn't heard the Anthem in a long time. But if the Anthem is still buggy after all these years for that price I would definitely look elsewhere.
post #805 of 1299
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

I don't believe so. However that one reviewer said the Foundation reminded him of the d2v. But he hadn't heard the Anthem in a long time. But if the Anthem is still buggy after all these years for that price I would definitely look elsewhere.
Fortunately I'm not looking anywhere else. I'm extremely happy with my Foundation as I haven't had any of the trouble updating mine. I'm still hoping for some updates but am extremely happy with the sound.
post #806 of 1299
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/krell-foundation-review/16513

"The Krell Foundation unleashed a cinematic aural tsunami with the first movie I fed it. Only one processor has recently come close to its sumptuously detailed and robust presentation, and that is the considerably more affluent Anthem Statement D2V. Its sonic scale is huge, the feel is utterly immersive and the sound is completely free from strain. This is a processor that will please at every level, with every genre and disappear into the background whilst allowing the film’s soundtrack, effects and dialogue to simply shine through. I hadn’t got to the opening titles of Cloud Atlas before knowing in my heart that Krell had not let me down. I so want to own this processor."
post #807 of 1299
^ yep thats the review.
post #808 of 1299
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Originally Posted by ProAudioSlave View Post

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/krell-foundation-review/16513

"The Krell Foundation unleashed a cinematic aural tsunami with the first movie I fed it. Only one processor has recently come close to its sumptuously detailed and robust presentation, and that is the considerably more affluent Anthem Statement D2V. Its sonic scale is huge, the feel is utterly immersive and the sound is completely free from strain. This is a processor that will please at every level, with every genre and disappear into the background whilst allowing the film’s soundtrack, effects and dialogue to simply shine through. I hadn’t got to the opening titles of Cloud Atlas before knowing in my heart that Krell had not let me down. I so want to own this processor."
I had the same experience this weekend with the first movie I watched through the Foundation. Made a mediocre movie acceptable because of the excellent sound so I agree with the reviewer above about the sound. My replacement mic showed up today as promised by Krell but won't have time to test it until maybe Wednesday. Will post if it works better than previous one.
post #809 of 1299
Good deal let us know how it goes.
post #810 of 1299
This is something I have been noticing about Krell. Krell is more coveted in countries outside of the usa. This just baffles me.
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