Originally Posted by esh516
Guys...I think I figured out what's happening.
OK....so I go buy very nice hi-end cables..
That makes me very happy!
I hook everything up..and when I sit down to that first listen..I'm already very happy..when the music starts..since Im already very happy..the music sounds better!!.... Because I'm in a good mood and happy it makes the music sound different!!!!
Now I got it...lol
Some questions and comments with the quoted statements as a starting point:
(1) are you raising the possibility that "your mood (emotional or psychological state) can make the music sound different (be perceived differently by you, the listener)" only to dismiss this possibility as a ridiculous, nonsensical idea ("LOL")?
(edit: I see that esh516 posted a followup to clarify that he does view this as a ridiculous, nonsensical idea.
.......i hope you realize im just kidding...
Clarifying comments that actually clarify a poster's views are all good
(2) Why is the idea stated in (1) ridiculous and nonsensical? Or, alternatively, why should this idea be taken seriously?
My next comments are a bit more complicated. (Of course, feel free to skip if you don't like complications.)
(3) Are the claims in the indented paragraph true or false?
For some people, who are not critical listeners, their emotional or psychological state can make the music sound different. But other people, who are critical listeners, have the ability to "tune out" their emotional or psychological state and listen in a purely "objective" manner to music. For these latter people, the critical listeners, their emotional or psychological state does NOT make the music sound different. For example, in a listening test of a "new" component in their audio system, the "critical listener" will not be influenced by their happiness at obtaining and trying out the "new" component, and may hear an "improvement in sound quality" only if inserting the new component causes an objective change in the sound that reach their ears.
(4) Now consider the type of "blind listening" that people mean when talking about "double-blind listening tests" (DBTs): not literally "listening with your eye closed or wearing a blindfold", but rather "listening such that you don't know, at the start of the test, whether the old or new component is connected". Do you also agree that for a "critical listener", as defined in (3), the "blind listening" done in a DBT is equivalent to "sighted listening"? In other words, do you agree that a "critical listener" will be equally able to perceive changes in sound quality (such as caused by switching components) in "sighted listening", and in "blind listening" as done in a DBT?
(5) Now consider the following claim:
Some critical listeners, as defined in item (3), have much less ability to perceive changes in sound quality when doing "blind listening" than in "sighted listening". In other words, for these people, "sighted" critical listening works great (for example, they have great ability to hear subtle changes in sound quality caused by switching components) , but in a DBT, their critical listening ability doesn't work or is severely degraded, relative to their "sighted" critical listening ability.
In my opinion, this claim is internally contradictory and thus false (such people cannot exist). There cannot be a "critical listener", as defined in (3), whose critical listening ability is reduced by "blind" listening conditions. The contradiction is as follows: people who talk about degradation of critical listening ability, on going from "sighted" to "blind" listening, describe the degradation as a psychological effect, due to factors such as to "testing anxiety" that may reduce ability to perceive subtle differences, or "disorientation" that results from being forced to listen to an audio system without knowing in advance the identities of all components. But, a "critical listener" as defined in (3) is immune to psychological effects on their hearing. CONCLUSION: a "critical listener" as defined in (3) can hear differences in sound quality equally well in a DBT as in sighted listening.
And one more set of concepts that may be relevant to these questions (the following is from Wikipedia articles): the human hearing system has multiple "components", somewhat analogous to a component audio system - including "transducers", "cable", and "processor" (!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_hearing
Hearing, auditory perception, or audition[note 1] is the ability to perceive sound by detecting vibrations, changes in the pressure of the surrounding medium through time, through an organ such as the ear. ... In humans and other vertebrates, hearing is performed primarily by the auditory system: vibrations are detected by the ear and transduced into nerve impulses that are perceived by the brain (primarily in the temporal lobe).
The main components of the human hearing system can be described as follows:
(a) our ears, which are transducers that convert sound ("changes in the pressure of the surrounding medium through time") to nerve impulses (electrochemical signals).
(b) the cochlear (or auditory) nerve that transmits the nerve impulses from the ears to the brain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_nerve
(c) The temporal lobes of the brain, that "process" the nerve impulses that started at our ears. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_lobe
And here are some characteristics of the temporal lobes:
The temporal lobes are involved in the retention of visual memories, processing sensory input, comprehending language, storing new memories, emotion, and deriving meaning.
Processing sensory input. Auditory. Adjacent areas in the superior, posterior, and lateral parts of the temporal lobes are involved in high-level auditory processing. The temporal lobe is involved in primary auditory perception, such as hearing, and holds the primary auditory cortex. The primary auditory cortex receives sensory information from the ears and secondary areas process the information into meaningful units such as speech and words.
So the temporal lobes are "processors" not just for the sensory inputs of our five senses, but also for other "mental events" such as "storing new memories, emotion, and deriving meaning" - that's interesting.Edited by Sonic icons - 8/31/13 at 3:29pm