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post #151 of 589
I jumped in earlier today, but went with a Friday delivery. Have the ship notification already, so looking forward to a solid evaluation over the next week or so. I’ll get some first impressions posted on Saturday.
post #152 of 589
I ended up purchasing 2 of the HMZ-T3W's, could not leave the wife out. I also will receive my OPPO 103D today. The intent here is to make up for our lost dedicated theater since we moved.

I really would like to find a really nice set of over ear headphones to use with these, any suggestions?
post #153 of 589
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Originally Posted by Mike C View Post


I really would like to find a really nice set of over ear headphones to use with these, any suggestions?

What's your budget?
post #154 of 589
Headphone budget $200-$500 per pair..
post #155 of 589
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Originally Posted by Mike C View Post

Headphone budget $200-$500 per pair..

Very good budget! If you don't mind having open headphones (they are the best but the sound will leak all over) try Sennheiser HD650. I could not find better!
post #156 of 589
Japan finally started taking pre-orders today. But they don't ship till Nov 23, which sucks!
post #157 of 589

I would say that using the HMZ-T3W is like looking through a View-Master, except you are looking at video (dynamic) versus pictures (static). This is the best description of describing this device and the field of view. The viewing angle is fine, in my opinion.

You are actually seeing 1440 pixels, not 720 pixels, because your brain cannot process the separate images from each eye independently, unless you are closing one of your eyes.

The viewing experience is highly dependent on your eye problems and how well your lenses (glasses or contacts) can deal with a close-up field of view. I have astigmatism and eye accommodation problems (eyes not focusing on close up text/images) which causes fatigue and causes my eyes not to focus as well on the image, even with glasses. I have to wear glasses, although I do not wear bifocals/progressive lenses because I am in my 20s, which makes the eye accommodation problem constant. The eye focusing problem has to do with my disease. No matter how much I adjust the device, I still encounter focusing problems. I have to wear glasses because I have chronic dry eye.

It would be awesome if you could go to an opthamologist or an optometrist to get special lenses for the device, so you would not need to wear glasses. It would be awesome if there was some sort of option to polarize the field of view, although I do not know how this could be possible from an engineering perspective.

 

I wish that the slider adjusters that move the viewing lenses were more sensitive, but anyone can adjust the lenses so that they work. Be prepared to adjust the headstraps for at least 30 minutes the first time you use the device. The earbuds absolutely suck and I suggest that you use something else.

I can lie down and watch videos without problems. I have not tried doing regular computer tasks, but I would imagine I would have to change the resolution to a lower resolution so that the text is easier to read.

post #158 of 589
I think if one has severe eye problems he probably should not be using HMZ or any HMD at all or it can get worse. Honestly - why you should risk it? Your idea to go to an ophthalmologist or an optometrist to get special lenses for the device - probably a bit extreme even if this could work. I am short sighted myself. I am OK when wearing contacts but have some slight physical problem when wearing my aviator style glasses. Much better when wearing new style smaller Police frame glasses. I would really like to have simple diopter adjustment like Cinemizer OLED. I am getting fed up with the products which ignore glass wearers needs.
post #159 of 589
post #160 of 589
if it's T3 and not T3W - why the price is higher that US T3W? Does not make any sense to buy to be honest if it's true.
post #161 of 589
He has T3W for couple hundred more. Inflated ebay prices.
post #162 of 589
Received my T3W a couple days ago, im very happy, i wear glasses and i dont have any focus problems.
Still not very comfortable but much better than T2, Carry pouch is nice, wireless is nice, curved screen mode is a nice add.

Regards
post #163 of 589
I'm in Japan at the moment flying back to the UK on the 15th of this month.. Was really hoping to pick up two of the T3s..

Been in a few stores and been told not till 23rd (Yokohama/Tokyo).. And they have this poster up.

I'm just wondering how there is a listing for the T3 on e bay as in stock from Japan. Had anyone found stock? Is it worth going to the Sony building/shop to try?

And hello all.. Been a lurker for good few years, finally registered.
post #164 of 589

The eye focusing problems are due to autoimmune disease and this problem will not cause me to lose my vision. This is not a big deal, and occurs in healthy people over the age of 40, who have to wear bifocals or progressive lenses.

 

I was just mentioning this as the focus of the image on the HMZ-T3W/HMZ-T3 needs converge towards the center of the image, or you will have some trouble enjoying whatever you are watching.

I have to admit that watching hockey on this device is amazing! Perhaps because what is going on is at the center of the screen typically.

post #165 of 589
Hello SUJ999 id love to be in japan right now, its a incredible country, i was last summer and i loved it!!
I was at the sony building last september but the ones y tried was the T1.
I dont know if they have T3 for selling at Sony buiding in ginza but maybe not, go there and ask but if all shops told you that the release date was 23 nov i think that u cant find a T3 in japan until this date.
Anyway 99.800 yens is a great price, its 750 euro!!! Maybe you can buy it in amazon japan when released and send them to UK.

Enjoy your trip.

Regards.
post #166 of 589
Thanks, but Amazon JP won't ship to UK and also customs will charge me..
post #167 of 589
Yes, amazon japan wont ship outside japan but there are companies who forwards parcels to anywhere. The only problem is, like you say, customs.


Hope you find T3 before going back to europe.

Regards
post #168 of 589
Well, I have had some time to setup with the OPPO 103D, I picked up the 103D for the Darby and dual HDMI output hoping for the best experience possible. I had some issues with one headset having intermittent dropped frames even when standing directly in front of the transmitter. When both transmitters are side-by-side we would experience intermittent freezing for more than 30 seconds, when I spaced the transmitters 5' apart it solved that problem, but my set still dropped frames.

I could see the pixel structure quite easily but the picture is overall very good for what it is.

Overall everything is cumbersome to use and the wife could not take the weight on her forehead for long and started complaining, I had minor discomfort. As dysarray mention it is like looking through a viewmaster. With this combination of problems I will be returning these Monday. The 103D is a keeper.
post #169 of 589
have you charged the T3 completely before use? I've never experienced any signal drops when the base and the battery units are within direct sight with no obstacles between them. Try connecting the base unit with the battery unit directly via spare HDMI cable.
O - sorry you are sending it back....
Of top - OPPO-103D is probably a keeper but with Cinavia and no 3d BD ISO capabilities like old OPPO-93/95 it's just another average overpriced MTK based BD player....
post #170 of 589
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Originally Posted by Mike C View Post

Well, I have had some time to setup with the OPPO 103D, I picked up the 103D for the Darby and dual HDMI output hoping for the best experience possible. I had some issues with one headset having intermittent dropped frames even when standing directly in front of the transmitter. When both transmitters are side-by-side we would experience intermittent freezing for more than 30 seconds, when I spaced the transmitters 5' apart it solved that problem, but my set still dropped frames.

I could see the pixel structure quite easily but the picture is overall very good for what it is.

Overall everything is cumbersome to use and the wife could not take the weight on her forehead for long and started complaining, I had minor discomfort. As dysarray mention it is like looking through a viewmaster. With this combination of problems I will be returning these Monday. The 103D is a keeper.

Intresting hands on exsperience have to say reading this made me skeptical of jumping in to one.
post #171 of 589
post #172 of 589
So the battery can be recharged about 500 times. When it has to be replaced, can you do it yourself, or does the battery unit have to be sent somewhere?
post #173 of 589
In this ebay listing they say
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ALL Japanese model has only Japanese Language Menu and Manual.

(It can not be switch to the menu in English.)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-SONY-HMZ-T3W-Personal-3D-Head-Mount-Display-Viewer-Headsets-TV-Glass-F-S-EMS-/131041678173?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e82b1535d

Can it be? Hard to believe.
post #174 of 589
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Originally Posted by andersos View Post

So the battery can be recharged about 500 times. When it has to be replaced, can you do it yourself, or does the battery unit have to be sent somewhere?

Only 500? that sems lill odd cool.gif

Seems the wirless units must be inline and noting can block they path .. thats to bad as i hoped i could set it up in the living room and sumtimes ly in bed waching content ..
Edited by vaktmestern - 11/9/13 at 12:59am
post #175 of 589
Anyone who bought a T2 in Japan, is the menu only in Japanese? I saw one in a shop in Tokyo today, but they couldn't confirm if the menus would switch to English.

I'm thinking if I can't get back with two T3, might get back with at least one T2.
post #176 of 589
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Originally Posted by Mike C View Post

Well, I have had some time to setup with the OPPO 103D, I picked up the 103D for the Darby and dual HDMI output hoping for the best experience possible. I had some issues with one headset having intermittent dropped frames even when standing directly in front of the transmitter. When both transmitters are side-by-side we would experience intermittent freezing for more than 30 seconds, when I spaced the transmitters 5' apart it solved that problem, but my set still dropped frames.

I could see the pixel structure quite easily but the picture is overall very good for what it is.

Overall everything is cumbersome to use and the wife could not take the weight on her forehead for long and started complaining, I had minor discomfort. As dysarray mention it is like looking through a viewmaster. With this combination of problems I will be returning these Monday. The 103D is a keeper.
Yes, I agree with you that the Oppo 103D is a definite keeper. My settings have the internal Darbee set to 35% HD and then my older external Darbee 5000 set to 30% POP going into the HMD with no visible artifacts, just the finest, IMO perfect-visual-experience an HMD could offer.cool.gif

Have to also agree with you that the HMZ-T3 is very cumbersome.

The first thing is, that I greatly miss, and that I have gotten used to is the convenience of the HMZ-T1 to use, and which always offers immediate playback! Just put the HMD on and use it with speakers and all. With the HMZ-T3, I have to fumble with the earphones and then their wires. When I want to use headphones, I tediously have to fit them over the main head band and fiddle with the wires. Even when using just the battery pack with no base-unit there is always that extra work.

The SMD St1080 had the same problem hassles with poor visual 1080p quality.

The only thing I actually like better than the T1 is the HMZ-T3s wider optical sweet spot and audio potential.

I'm going to continue using my HMZ-T1 as my plug & play resource, for the no-setup convenience they offer.
Glad I also purchased a second pair before supplies were gone.

For the best of both worlds Sony needs to keep the convenience of the handy speakers of the HMZ-T1 and make them detachable for the HMZ-T3 for quality multi channel audio when desired. For me, Plug & Play is mandatory.
post #177 of 589
it just shows how different priorities of the different people are! Most of the people hated stock T1 headphones and some got rid of them pretty radical way! I did not dare but always wanted to use my own Sennheiser or Sony. I finally got what I wanted as even on T2 you could not wear full size headphones comfy! T3 gives me an option to wear any full size and even oversized headphones - I don't really want to get back to T1 option - never ever.
post #178 of 589
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Originally Posted by borland View Post

it just shows how different priorities of the different people are! Most of the people hated stock T1 headphones and some got rid of them pretty radical way! I did not dare but always wanted to use my own Sennheiser or Sony. I finally got what I wanted as even on T2 you could not wear full size headphones comfy! T3 gives me an option to wear any full size and even oversized headphones - I don't really want to get back to T1 option - never ever.
Very much dissagree that "most people hated stock T1headphones". IMO, I'm only aware here at AVS of a handful expressing their aggravation for not being able to readily-detach them.rolleyes.gif
My Sennheiser 600s have always been great for their quality sound and I would still want to definitely use them as an option, but they need to keep the T1s implementation as a detachable-option for convenience and not disregard there useful feature.
post #179 of 589
I’ve had a few hours of time with the HMZ-T3 so far. On the positive side, this is just super cool tech. My main home setup is a 9ft wide scope screen that I view from a bit less than 12 feet away. The perceived T3 image size is close to the size of my screen, if not a little larger. Screen door is there, but not terrible. I seem to remember screen door being more noticeable on the T1, but had very limited experience.

I’m also surprised at how much I like the curved screen modes. They add a nice degree of immersion and I have not noticed any major artifacts. Using the HDMI out from my phone is really cool. I sat on the balcony for a few minutes and watched a bit of the Bulls game over Slingbox. Worked perfectly.

  • Focus:
  • My biggest issue is that I can’t get the entire width of the screen in focus. If I adjust the lens span so the outside edge of the screen is in focus, then the center is fuzzy. I can also adjust for a clear center focus with blurry edges.
  • I get the best focus results if I jam the unit into my nose, so the lenses are as close to my eyes as possible – but this is really uncomfortable and not really a solution.
  • I watched a little SportsCenter - the out-of-focus upcoming segment list on the left side of the screen was really distracting.
  • I also see a slight light blue outline around the lower half of the outside vertical edges of the screen…I think this is a lens issue and is not related to the imaging panel.
  • One to two clicks on the lens span is all I need to go one side being in focus to the other. Feel like I need a slightly larger sweet spot – I’d think head shape and visual acuity make this highly dependent on the individual.

    Comfort:
  • Cumbersome is a great description. It does take a lot of tweaking to get this thing positioned. My wife gave it about 5 minutes then went back to watching the tv.
  • I have been able to get a very comfortable fit by using the forehead pad and the back strap to balance the unit away from my face, but this is at the expense of focus. A slightly compromised comfort level feels worth the benefit to focus.


Overall, I really want to like this and have some good reasons to keep it. I’ll need to watch a few movies all the way through to see if the focus issue feels as significant once I start to get into the content and less into pure image quality evaluation. I also want to do some 3D testing – has anyone tried to get NVidia 3D play up and running?
post #180 of 589
The battery should been build inside the "visor" on the T3 that cord always botherd me on the T1 and 2. so adding a wired headphone in the mix thats 2 cords you need to have hangeling from the unit...
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