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post #1 of 6
Thread Starter 
Hi All new here first post.
First off I am not educated on video production in any manor so don't flame me to bad biggrin.gif
First a little bit of background I started shooting stills of my sons football games a couple of years ago
which got me to shooting video of the games for the coach to use. This ultimately lead me to
building a portable tripod video tower that extends to 25' and I use this to shoot endzone video from it.
I bought one of the JVC WiFi camcorders that has the remote monitoring and control via the WiFi and a App
on my phone. I contacted JVC and told them of my application before purchasing it and they said it would
work fine. Well its a piece of crap and the signal will drop out if over 20' and I tried from several
phones and tablets. So im moving on and want a camcorder that can do the following
1. has a input for a wired remote control
2. has a out put for a remote monitor
3. capable of accepting a wide angle lens
4. and as I said above ill be shooting football with it
My ultimate problem is understanding what the inputs are capable of doing
And I would like to stay under $1000

Thanks for any advice and help George
post #2 of 6
Hi George and welcome to the forum. This is a tough one because there aren't a lot of camcorders left with wired remotes. The Canon HF G20 is a little over your budget at $1099, but it should do what you need it to do - producing clear video at both day games and night games - and it has a LANC port for wired remote control.

There are less expensive Sony and Canon cameras with LANC ports - but Panasonic consumer cameras do not have them.

The HF G20 also has HDMI and composite outputs for a remote monitor.

In addition to the camera, you will need a $23 LANC controller and a $24 extension cable.

Hope this is helpful and doesn't take you too far over your budget!

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
post #3 of 6
Some of the most recent Sony camcorders and digital cameras are beginning to have remote control ports added back to them, although I don't think that they are LANC (they might actually use the LANC protocol, but not standard LANC jacks, but I don't know for sure). For example, the Sony HX50V digital camera has a MULTI port on it, and the RM-VPR1 wired remote control connects to that port. The remote has zoom, Record start/stop and power on/off on it, and I verified that they all work with the HX50V.

To find out more, go to the Sony.com site, then search for

RM-VPR1 (a wired remote)
VCT-VPR1 (small tripod with wired remote)
RM-VD1 (a wired remote that works with some older discontinued Sony Handycams)

For each of these devices, after you find them on the Sony.com site, click on the Compatibility tab to see which cameras and camcorders that they work with. For example, the RM-VPR1 is said to be compatible with: "DSC-HX300, DSC-HX50V, DSC-RX100M2, HDR-CX220, HDR-CX230, HDR-CX290, HDR-CX380, HDR-CX430V, HDR-PJ230, HDR-PJ380, HDR-PJ430V, HDR-PJ650V, HDR-PJ790V, NEX-3NL, SLT-A58. The following Alpha cameras support Shutter Release only: SLT-A65V, SLT-A77V, SLT-A99V."

Most, if not all of the camcorders and cameras will have an HDMI port that you can use for monitoring purposes. For example, the HX50V has a micro-HDMI port on the bottom, near the tripod screw (not exactly convenient for your purpose.) However the HX50V does not have a thread on the lens to accept adapters and wide angle lenses. It appears from the Sony site that the HDR-CX430V camcorder has filter threads which can accept a wide angle lens, if the 26.8 mm (35 mm equivalent) that it can do without an adapter in movie mode is not wide angle enough. It also has a micro-HDMI port. There are probably other Sony camcorders that would work, and which would cost less than the HF G20.

Another comment is that the MULTI port (which appears to be micro-USB) on the HX50V is also used when connecting a USB cable to charge the battery or to download from the memory card.

I have a Sony HDR-CX550 Handycam that has filter threads and a remote port (it uses the RM-AV2 wired remote, which I have and is similar in appearance to the RM-VD1 remote.) It is a nice camcorder and also has a viewfinder, along with the LCD, but I don't use it much anymore, as I now use a waterproof Sony GW77 and a host of Sony digital cameras (HX5V, HX9V, HX30V and HX50V) to shoot video. I'll probably put the CX550 on eBay some day, but it might not work for your needs because the port that the remote connects to is also used for analog A/V output, and you can't use the remote and analog A/V output at the same time. However, the CX550 also has an HDMI port, which would work for your needs if you were planning on monitoring via HDMI.

One issue with all of my suggestions is that you mentioned the ability to control the camera from 25' or more away, and all of these remotes have cords shorter than that. However the RM-VPR1 remote has a removable cord that has a weird connector on the end that connects to the remote, and a micro-USB on the other end. I imagine that there are micro-USB female to male extension cables available from third parties that might work. There are certainly USB to USB extension cables, and you could add USB to micro-USB adapters, but at some point that would become somewhat "kludgy".

I hope these suggestions give you some options to work with in your price range.
post #4 of 6
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info and maybe Im not as camcorder illiterate as I thought
the G 20 and the cx430v were the only camcorders I was looking at
besides a Panisonic. So I guess my only question is weather the G 20 is worth
the extra cost over the cx430.

Thanks again
post #5 of 6
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Originally Posted by Don Vito View Post

Thanks for the info and maybe Im not as camcorder illiterate as I thought
the G 20 and the cx430v were the only camcorders I was looking at
besides a Panisonic. So I guess my only question is weather the G 20 is worth
the extra cost over the cx430.

Thanks again

There may be some Sony models less expensive than the CX430 that would meet your needs. On the other hand the HF G20 has an LCD as well as a viewfinder. For general usage (not for on top of a tall tripod) a viewfinder can be very useful for framing shots and holding the camcorder steady, and is indispensable in bright light outdoors.
post #6 of 6
I think there is a thread or two here using the relatively new Panasonic ZS30 with an iPhone/iPod/iPad for a remote. I recall it went well. It is small and light for a 25' pole. It also has a fairly wide lens. Video is good too.

Good luck!
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