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post #31 of 66
I am referring to Star Trek into the darkness. it's in 3d. Elysium is in 2d.
post #32 of 66
Thanks for the review, Scott. There are no Auro 11.1 theaters in Singapore. And I don't think I will be missing it anytime soon.
I'll be catching as many Dolby Atmos movies as possible from now on. It makes going to the cinema fun again! More so than 3D, in my opinion.
post #33 of 66
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.....the theater was pretty empty, so I could sit in my favorite spot, dead center about two-thirds of the way back from the screen......
Sheldon? http://youtu.be/1zIY6DQSlbY?t=40s
post #34 of 66
Thanks for taking the time and seeing the same movie twice like this back to back to compare Atmos and Auro. Very enlightening. Ive yet to experince a film in Auro 3D but I have in Atmos and each time I was very impressed. I can honestly say Atmos is the real deal. Great job Scott!!
post #35 of 66
Very good write up. I saw this at the local cineplex and it was in one of the lower capacity theaters and the sound was awful. Something was wrong with their subwoofers, as there wasn't any bass throughout the movie, bullets had no weight and dialog was harsh. The sound quality was so poor it affected my overall rating for the movie, although, it wouldn't have been high otherwise.
post #36 of 66
Great post thanks
Does the barco auro 11.1 and dolby atmos, have better sound than IMAX 3D ?

regards
post #37 of 66
I went to see this movie in an IMAX cinema yesterday, though neither an Auro nor Atmos sound system was deployed.

The movie's visual quality was quite good. The theater's audio performance was only fair. The actual movie itself was quite poor.

Scott's take on the movie was generous. It may be available for $4.99 in discount bins before Christmas. Even then, it would be overpriced.

That I am a sci-fi nut and Matt Damon fan and still feel that way says it all.
Edited by mogrub - 8/20/13 at 6:40am
post #38 of 66
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I went to see this movie in an IMAX cinema yesterday, though neither an Auro nor Atmos sound system was deployed.

The movie's visual quality was quite good. The theater's audio performance was only fair. The actual movie itself was quite poor.

Scott's take on the movie was generous. It may be available for $4.99 in discount bins before Christmas. Even then, it would be overpriced.

That I am a sci-fi nut and Matt Damon fan and still feel that way says it all.

I have to concour about the movie itself. I liked the plot and storyline, but the execution just wasn't all there.

The DP did a good job I feel with visual eye candy but the whole thing just didn't keep me all that entertained.

I saw it @ AMC Aventura's ETX theater which employs the Dolby ATMOS. The audio was amazing and def had good LFE that you could feel!

The video was also on par.
post #39 of 66
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I went to see this movie in an IMAX cinema yesterday, though neither an Auro nor Atmos sound system was deployed.

IMAX has its own proprietary sound system. Atmos and Auro are competitors. You won't ever find those in an IMAX theater.
post #40 of 66
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Great post thanks
Does the barco auro 11.1 and dolby atmos, have better sound than IMAX 3D ?

Much much much MUCH better sound.

For me, these days unless some of the film actually was shot with IMAX cameras I actively avoid going to an IMAX theater and look instead for an AMC ETX type presentation.
post #41 of 66
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IMAX has its own proprietary sound system. Atmos and Auro are competitors. You won't ever find those in an IMAX theater.

Yes, and these days it seems the IMAX operators seem to think LOUD = good.

To the point that they are deafening. The distortion on some films is so bad because they have the dials turned up to "11".

I like my films with punch and dynamic range. The Atmos presentations I've attended have that.
post #42 of 66
Just a hint... Sharlto Copley is South African, not Australian.
post #43 of 66
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Sharlto Copley is South African not Australian
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Copley's character is probably South African
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Sharlto Copley is South African, not Australian.
We got it, we got it.
post #44 of 66
One of the BIG issues I have with modern cinemas is that now all content is digital and downloaded from the studios, there is no operator in the bio-box. Everything is auto and controoled by the data stream, including sound levels. A few times, (mainly with those big-noise, Transformers type movies), at my local Village VMax theatre (HUGE screen and sound) I have had to go outside, rant at the staff to get someone to turn it down because of the extreme distortion and unintelligibility.

As an aside - another issue cropping up way to often is with cinemas using digital data downloads (as opposed to a 'in your hand' HDD or BD) as the content source is that with 3D, when it doesn't work, which is now way too often, the only way to get a movie working back in 3D mode is to stop the film and reboot the machines (they use 2 simultaneously). I have now had to suffer this really painful experience 3 times and am considering abandoning the commercial cinemas altogether.
post #45 of 66
Sorry, we get a bit touchy down here when SA's and Kiwis are mistaken for Aussies.
post #46 of 66
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We got it, we got it.

You'd think that nobody here has every seen a movie with Sharlo in it. tongue.gif
post #47 of 66
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Much much much MUCH better sound.

For me, these days unless some of the film actually was shot with IMAX cameras I actively avoid going to an IMAX theater and look instead for an AMC ETX type presentation.

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Yes, and these days it seems the IMAX operators seem to think LOUD = good.

To the point that they are deafening. The distortion on some films is so bad because they have the dials turned up to "11".

I like my films with punch and dynamic range. The Atmos presentations I've attended have that.

So true. It's funny because it used to be that the IMAX theaters had some of the best sound. My last couple of visits would suggest otherwise or agree with the newer recent consensus that it's just plain loud. Ugh. Disappointing.
post #48 of 66
Hello,

Sharlto Copley's accent is not Australian. It's South African. He is from south Africa. I'm an Australian and did not once think he sounded Australian.

Thank you.

Ben
post #49 of 66
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Yes, and these days it seems the IMAX operators seem to think LOUD = good.

To the point that they are deafening. The distortion on some films is so bad because they have the dials turned up to "11".

I like my films with punch and dynamic range. The Atmos presentations I've attended have that.

i agree with you the IMax its a bit too loud.

But i have to confess, i enjoy some parts in IMAX movies, when we fell the theather chair vibrating (sweet spot ) due the amount of bass.
post #50 of 66
post #51 of 66
Sorry where I live IMAX THX sound is the best we get. My next trip to Dallas I will check both out.
But my comments are about the review of the movie science:
1: the exo suits are in beta testing for the military right now and they work well. They are almost ready and will help millions of disabled people with upper and lower extremity problems walk and use there arms and legs both.
2. The engineering of the "Ring World" in the movie are all correct. I direct you to the "hard" science fiction writer and engineer Larry Niven and his Novel "RingWorld" for a through explanation.
3. The suits of men today look very similar to the suits of the early 1900's and even earlier.
4. In medieval times only 1 man had all the money in each western country The King. And only one man had most of the money in the western world, The Pope. Read any Economics Book of world economics and you see these things always cycle and redistribute.
5. Medicine is already in the Beta phase of 3D printing new organs including hearts and kidneys. I can see 3D printing of faces eventually.
6. I am a Physician and I keep up with all scientific developments outside my field as a hobby along with reading Hard Science Fiction while listening to cool 60's jazz playing in 2.2 stereo. I also watch all "Hard" SF movies with a critical eye to the science and listen in 5.2 surround sound.
PS: I enjoy the sounds of music and movies and the visions in movies at home and in the Cinema, as a hobby also.
PSS: Maybe if you watch the movie again with this new knowledge you may enjoy it more.
post #52 of 66
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Does the barco auro 11.1 and dolby atmos, have better sound than IMAX 3D ?
Depends on what you mean by "better".

IMAX is unique in that it is not just 5.1 channels but uses only 5 speakers (just 2 surrounds in the back corners of the auditorium).


http://www.imax.com/community/blog/imax-101-sound/

In fact, when IMAX recently announced residential versions of their theatres, it raised eyebrows that the home theatres were 7.1 when their commercial theatres are 5.1.

By comparison, Auro3D and Dolby Atmos use lots more channels and speakers to create greater envelopment and directionality all around (and above) the audience. If more channels/speakers is your idea of better, then those two systems would be better than the IMAX sound system.
post #53 of 66
IMAX used to be the best game in town for audio (albeit for short subject docs) because they used to have POWERFUL digital soundtracks when most commercial theaters were playing Dolby Stereo A optical tracks.

Dolby Atmos is a whole new kettle of fish as long as the sound mixers know how to use it to its fullest potential. DTS MDA may be the same way since it too is object based. Some say The Grandmaster is the most aggressive use of Atmos mixing yet.
post #54 of 66
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i agree with you the IMax its a bit too loud.

But i have to confess, i enjoy some parts in IMAX movies, when we fell the theather chair vibrating (sweet spot ) due the amount of bass.

At the ETX Atmos presentation of STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS I attended the entire theater shuddered realistically in several scenes.

Needless to say it was VERY cool.
post #55 of 66
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IMAX used to be the best game in town for audio (albeit for short subject docs) because they used to have POWERFUL digital soundtracks when most commercial theaters were playing Dolby Stereo A optical tracks.
Plus, the short subject docs often had soundtracks that included a 6th (centre height) channel to go beyond the typical 5.1 mix.
post #56 of 66
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IMAX used to be the best game in town for audio (albeit for short subject docs) because they used to have POWERFUL digital soundtracks when most commercial theaters were playing Dolby Stereo A optical tracks.
Plus, the short subject docs often had soundtracks that included a 6th (centre height) channel to go beyond the typical 5.1 mix.
In what I suspect is now a 'somewhat dated' article on creativePLANETnetwork com "Big Enough for Everest: Inside IMAX Sound" (link) there is some useful exposition on the use|content of various IMAX speakers|channels--including the center overhead--with reference made to differences from non-IMAX speaker configurations. With respect to 6th channel overhead sound:
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Teaney uses the top-center speaker sparingly. "There's one scene where a climber is belaying another climber; you don't see him, but you hear him above her," he says. "In another scene, the avalanche starts in the top speaker and pans its way down. But that channel is really only useful in a few specific instances."

Which reinforces what has always been true: Sound should come from a speaker when needed, not continuously, just because there is a speaker there! biggrin.gif
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post #57 of 66
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In what I suspect is now a 'somewhat dated' article on creativePLANETnetwork com "Big Enough for Everest: Inside IMAX Sound" (link) there is some useful exposition on the use|content of various IMAX speakers|channels--including the center overhead--with reference made to differences from non-IMAX speaker configurations. With respect to 6th channel overhead sound:

Which reinforces what has always been true: Sound should come from a speaker when needed, not continuously, just because there is a speaker there! biggrin.gif
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I was to the Tuttleman IMAX Theater @ the Franklin Institute in Philly on Monday (Thanks to forum member airscapes recommendation) and saw Space Junk (though not in 3D since it was an OMNIMAX).

They employed the 6th speaker above the LCR but used it sparingly. See the image below.



I don't think any modern conversion outside of a science type location (read: AMC, et al, retrofits) have the 6th channel installed since they don't play the documentaries that take advantage of them.

I wonder how these other theaters who now compete, not just in size of screen but also audio (and maybe surpass IMAX in this regard) are hurting IMAX's bottom line.
post #58 of 66
Scott, it is nice to see some one reviewing the sound at the theaters and I hope to see more of your reviews !!

I feel a correct comparison for two different formats can only be done if they are both played back in the same venue or at venues of similar size with the same hardware setup and calibration. When you review the sound at two different theaters then a lot of variables other than the sound format come into play which affects the final sound. A lot of things which have an effect on the sound quality like the amplifiers, speakers and calibration can differ between two theaters.

I have not seen the Auro 3D screen that you went to but from your description of the speaker layout it looks flawed. The speaker layout at this theater is quite different from the speaker layout that Auro 3D 11.1 mix facilities use to mix films, so it is no wonder that you hardly experienced the immersive experience that the format delivers. Also the comments about the overall sound quality makes me think that there is also a problem with the sound system at this theater, this screen needs more speakers and may be some tuning and calibration of the hardware. The guys at Barco or their installers needs to check this screen and correct the flaws.

For cinema halls the recommended Auro 3D 11.1 speaker layout is to have a second layer of surround speakers above the regular surround speakers and the number of speakers in the second layer should be equal to the number of regular surround speakers. The location of the voice of God speakers is directly above the seating area on the theatre's ceiling which is similar to Dolby Atmos's top surround speakers. For the voice of God top speakers it is ideal to have them in alignment and in equal number to the surround speakers but they are not very strict about the number of top channel speakers as long as there is good coverage of the seating area.
post #59 of 66
is gravity coming out in 11.1?
post #60 of 66
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is gravity coming out in 11.1?

good question. I would think so. its listed on their website that it will be in dolby atmos.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/content/movie/release/dolby-atmos-movies.html?utm_campaign=cin-atmos&utm_medium=multi&utm_source=multi&utm_content=redir-atmosmovies
Jacob
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