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Careful Rapallo......he may contradict himself some more.
post #3122 of 3973
Right.
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It's clear the projector is not functioning as was originally intended by the manufacturer, if it was in Australia, one would be entitled to return the unit for a full refund. If I had the patience I'd wait a week or so for a fix, if not return it and purchase later once the issue had been fixed.
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Originally Posted by Highjinx View Post

It's clear the projector is not functioning as was originally intended by the manufacturer, if it was in Australia, one would be entitled to return the unit for a full refund. If I had the patience I'd wait a week or so for a fix, if not return it and purchase later once the issue had been fixed.

I would hope, no matter where someone lived, they would have the option to return for a full refund.

When the Anthem MRX line first came out 3 years ago my MRX300 had a terrible HDMI issue with my setup. Any 1080p signal would cause instant picture loss and no sound. PS3, Xbox 360, Blu-ray player all caused it. My dealer was able to give a full refund and let me get an Integra instead. No questions asked even though Anthem was "in the process of working on a firmware fix". They knew it would be bad to tell someone to be patient and wait for a fix. I am happy to say I have been back with Anthem for almost 2 years now and am on their second generation MRX line. Had they handled it differently I probably wouldn't have given them a second chance.

The way situations like these are handled, especially when people start looking at refunds, makes ALL the difference for a manufacturer's image and standing. Especially for "smaller" markets.
post #3125 of 3973
OK Guys. Please let it go. No last word. It will be what it will be and to each what it is. I can't read this thread anymore. Please lets just discuss the product, repair announcements, work arounds yada tada, PLEASE NOT HOW SOMEONE SHOULD OR NOT FEEL ABOUT THE PROBLEM. Send JVC an email about how you feel. Send it to the President of JVC Pro USA. Whoever. Return the damn thing if you like. You have options but PLEEZE spare others of your specific internal emotions and how these might change depending on what happens.
post #3126 of 3973
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

OK Guys. Please let it go. No last word. It will be what it will be and to each what it is. I can't read this thread anymore. Please lets just discuss the product, repair announcements, work arounds yada tada, PLEASE NOT HOW SOMEONE SHOULD OR NOT FEEL ABOUT THE PROBLEM. Send JVC an email about how you feel. Send it to the President of JVC Pro USA. Whoever. Return the damn thing if you like. You have options but PLEEZE spare others of your specific internal emotions and how these might change depending on what happens.

BTW Mark, a little off-topic, but having talked with you and Manni a bunch these last few days......I have really been craving a Cuban cigar. Thanks for that! biggrin.gif
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And its hard to talk or even post with a big cubano requiring you attention. I have been watching football all day and another six hours tomorrow. No posting. I am not even going to try and explain that if something is a 50 50 chance and one side gets paid off at 3 to 1, and the other 0ne to one, taking the three to one side is sweet. My premise is that I think the chances of bluray 4K not being available and sold this year is WAY better than 50 50. I wouldn't take 6 to one for it happening.
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Contrary to Seegs, I actually applaud you guys for being as patient as you have been. I would have returned the ****ing projector long before now if it were me. A few small bugs is one thing, but this HDMI issue is ridiculous. I don't blame anyone for bitching and being upset, you should be. This should have been caught plain and simple and JVC screwed up, period. I am sure they will get it worked out, but I don't blame anyone for being upset about this as I would be as well had I spent thousands on a new projector that doesn't even function properly as far as basic operations. mad.gif There is still the possibility that they might have to be shipped back to be fixed which would really be a PITA. Bitch away fellas, I don't blame you.
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Maybe someone who has the patience to muck about using/building/maintaining a HTPC finds 'minor' glitches like their projector locking up a drop in the ocean in terms of hassle and annoyance? I suppose things might have improved since I last ran one, but I think I'd give up with AV if I had to put up with the crashes, reinstalling, etc that I had to put up with before I gave up and just bought a decent BluRay player and a PVR.
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JVC reports that they have a fix and are waiting for the procedure to be set up for the fix.
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post #3131 of 3973
Thanks mike!

Now, I can finally get mine from the dealer. I think the new Riddick movie will be my first biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

JVC reports that they have a fix and are waiting for the procedure to be set up for the fix.

You just saved that dead horse! wink.gif
Edited by mbw23air - 1/12/14 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

You just saved that dead horse! wink.gif

His name is Buttercup, fyi (the horse).
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

JVC reports that they have a fix and are waiting for the procedure to be set up for the fix.
Any word whether that fix can be done by the end user or if it'll require sending the projector to JVC?

If it's the latter, I sure hope JVC offers the in-home service option as JVC UK seems to be doing.
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I for one hope that the firmware fix is all in home. Do you know how difficult it is for just one person to remove one and install another ceiling mounted projector? A man and his stepladder against the world! I'll use every work around in the book before that thing comes down. Probably in about three years for a true 4K JVC if the 4K content is there.
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So Darin just got in a 4910 and brought it over for comparison to my X75R. I made sure the calibration was decent (great OOTB again) and we light matched them to 13 fL. Mine has a bit better focus than his with a single pixel pattern and this made a noticeable difference with some material.

One thing of note, Darin's had NO issues at all with HDMI hiccups. We did a lot of resolution changes, color space changes and more and never a single hiccup with any of it. He said he was doing the same things with it the night before and never had a hiccup as well. Maybe he's just one of the lucky ones for this.

So we did a lot of instant comparisons between the two with them essentially stacked. To say that his contrast with the Dynamic Iris in Auto 2 absolutely trounces my contrast with the X75 would be an understatement. Made mine look like a first generation DLP for blacks. We only spent a couple hours looking at things but used some torture sequences from AVP: Requiem and The International. We did see a few times when the image APL did shift a bit from the dynamic iris, but they were VERY few and far between. We've seen a lot worse with other designs. We still tripped up the gamma performance with The International but it did far better than the Planar 8150 that we discovered this issue with originally. We had his 4910 in standard for HDMI so we could have probably alleviated the issue using Super White like we saw last weekend. I'm sure Darin will chime in with more when he gets home.
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

So Darin just got in a 4910 and brought it over for comparison to my X75R. I made sure the calibration was decent (great OOTB again) and we light matched them to 13 fL. Mine has a bit better focus than his with a single pixel pattern and this made a noticeable difference with some material.

One thing of note, Darin's had NO issues at all with HDMI hiccups. We did a lot of resolution changes, color space changes and more and never a single hiccup with any of it. He said he was doing the same things with it the night before and never had a hiccup as well. Maybe he's just one of the lucky ones for this.

So we did a lot of instant comparisons between the two with them essentially stacked. To say that his contrast with the Dynamic Iris in Auto 2 absolutely trounces my contrast with the X75 would be an understatement. Made mine look like a first generation DLP for blacks. We only spent a couple hours looking at things but used some torture sequences from AVP: Requiem and The International. We did see a few times when the image APL did shift a bit from the dynamic iris, but they were VERY few and far between. We've seen a lot worse with other designs. We still tripped up the gamma performance with The International but it did far better than the Planar 8150 that we discovered this issue with originally. We had his 4910 in standard for HDMI so we could have probably alleviated the issue using Super White like we saw last weekend. I'm sure Darin will chime in with more when he gets home.

Wow, thanks for letting us in on that comparison, Kris. I actually did a double take when you described the contrast difference, expecting a "smiley face" and a "just kidding" right after.

What a pleasant surprise that JVC seems to have come up with a good DI on their first try!
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I actually wish there was a smiley face. Gonna be hard to watch mine for a bit now. Anyone that thought the JVC's had good black performance before will be flabbergasted with their performance now.
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

I actually wish there was a smiley face. Gonna be hard to watch mine for a bit now. Anyone that thought the JVC's had good black performance before will be flabbergasted with their performance now.

Although my X500 is my first JVC I can attest that the Contrast is unreal, certainly the best image I have ever seen.
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All these posts about the X500R have me wondering: What's the real-world difference between the new JVC DLA-X700R, and DLA-X500R?

The X500 is rated at 60,000:1 native and the 700R at 120,000:1 native contrast. Is that contrast purportedly due to something different in the light engine re-design? Or do they have exactly the same chip
and the 700Rs contrast is coming from somewhere else? An additional iris?

What I'm wondering is whether the 700R offers higher contrast in a manner that one is actually likely to notice, or whether it's only in one of those "must have iris closed all the way" rare scenarios.
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Rich. You know the answer. It boils down to your real world set up. Assuming no use of the II, it is unlikely that one could operate the 500 in a manner which could obtain the on off needed to say run a gamma at 2.5 or 2.6 without black crush and still have enough brightness. The 700 would give you plenty regardless of how you set it up. Forgetting about gamma, setting up the same there would be little discernible difference between an on off 60,000 and 120,000. this has been discussed numerous times.
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

All these posts about the X500R have me wondering: What's the real-world difference between the new JVC DLA-X700R, and DLA-X500R?

The X500 is rated at 60,000:1 native and the 700R at 120,000:1 native contrast. Is that contrast purportedly due to something different in the light engine re-design? Or do they have exactly the same chip
and the 700Rs contrast is coming from somewhere else? An additional iris?

What I'm wondering is whether the 700R offers higher contrast in a manner that one is actually likely to notice, or whether it's only in one of those "must have iris closed all the way" rare scenarios.

I would think the DI performance would be almost the same. With the DI, there is really no reason to completely close the iris but the two higher models give you the option to do that. When are you getting yours? Interested on your thoughts
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The 700 has a dual iris system compared to single iris in 500. So it can go darker in black at the expense of white. But with dynamic it may not be worth it. Maybe I can compare the 700 review unit to Darin's 4910 when I get it.
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

The 700 has a dual iris system compared to single iris in 500. So it can go darker in black at the expense of white. But with dynamic it may not be worth it. Maybe I can compare the 700 review unit to Darin's 4910 when I get it.

I guess I was on the right track smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

The 700 has a dual iris system compared to single iris in 500. So it can go darker in black at the expense of white. But with dynamic it may not be worth it. Maybe I can compare the 700 review unit to Darin's 4910 when I get it.

Ah, that's what I was wondering - how it gets the higher contrast numbers.

I have the RS57/700 on order, and I was curious if the smart money bought the 500, if there was unlikely to be any real-world-use advantages with the 700. I'm not sure how else the two models differ, if at all.

Also Kris, did you bother trying the new Clear Black feature? As I remember, like most who review equipment, you aren't a fan of any additional processing. But curious if you tried anyway.
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

I actually wish there was a smiley face. Gonna be hard to watch mine for a bit now. Anyone that thought the JVC's had good black performance before will be flabbergasted with their performance now.

Thanks Kris. Did you guys find the fireplace scene at the one hour marker?

I know I sounded like a bit of a "fanboy" that first week making statements like it was "one of the finest HT presentations…" and "so inky & immersive it's ridiculous…" but it's also nice to see some of the trusted vets like yourself seeing some really great initial results and if they can get these "minor" issues corrected this could end up being the PJ steal of 2014 (in terms of price vs. performance… especially those who got in on the pre buy)!
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Yes, I responded about it in the 700 thread.
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

I would think the DI performance would be almost the same. With the DI, there is really no reason to completely close the iris but the two higher models give you the option to do that. When are you getting yours? Interested on your thoughts

Dunno when I get mine. JVC stopped shipping the projectors as soon as this HDMI problem came up. They are all going to be updated with the new fixed firmware before shipping out, so who knows? Hopefully soon.

Back to the X500/700 for a sec: So the 500 doesn't have dual irises? Does that mean, I take it, that in the case of the 500 you can either put the iris in "auto" and it will alter dynamically or "manual" in which you set the brightens with DI off?

In other words, the advantages of the 700's dual iris system is that it allows you to use one to set the upper limit of the image brightness, while still allowing the other iris to act in DI mode? Or does the dual iris system of the 700 offer any other advantages?

(If you can't set the brightness of the 500 while using the DI, that alone would make the 700 worth the extra I'm paying for it, since I really need to alter brightness as I alter my image sizes)
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Dunno when I get mine. JVC stopped shipping the projectors as soon as this HDMI problem came up. They are all going to be updated with the new fixed firmware before shipping out, so who knows? Hopefully soon.

Back to the X500/700 for a sec: So the 500 doesn't have dual irises? Does that mean, I take it, that in the case of the 500 you can either put the iris in "auto" and it will alter dynamically or "manual" in which you set the brightens with DI off?

In other words, the advantages of the 700's dual iris system is that it allows you to use one to set the upper limit of the image brightness, while still allowing the other iris to act in DI mode? Or does the dual iris system of the 700 offer any other advantages?

(If you can't set the brightness of the 500 while using the DI, that alone would make the 700 worth the extra I'm paying for it, since I really need to alter brightness as I alter my image sizes)
You can set the iris's upper limit (max opening) with the X500. You just set the iris to manual mode, set the iris's opening value, then switch the iris back to one of the auto modes. It'll then open up to the max value you set in manual mode but it'll still close all the way down if the APL of the source calls for it.
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One should find out if the distributors who JVC ship to have stopped shipping or selling stock to dealers or installers. Has JVC issued a recall of unopened stock or will the distributors be required to do the firmware fix.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/13/14 at 7:32am
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