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Originally Posted by Brad/Viper-Fan View Post

The extra cost will be a 4K lens.

Why would they change to a different lens if they do not have to.
post #3662 of 3981
I can't get my monster vision glasses to work properly with the JVC. What are you guys using for 3D glasses? I can't believe JVC is selling glasses for 200.00. What is AVS selling them for?

Oh, I was giddy about the fade to blacks. LOL. I haven't bothered commenting about a projector in some time now but the JVC has got me out of my slumber biggrin.gif This is a definite step up from my X7 and and X70. I know it was a few years since I had my previous JVC, but I have a very good visual memory and especially when it comes to black levels. This years JVCs are next level, and the iris is awesome. I was very skeptical of the iris, but JVC seems to have done it on thier first try biggrin.gif This native contrast with iris and 4k for the upcoming models should be heaven.
post #3663 of 3981
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

Why would they change to a different lens if they do not have to.

Someone mentioned that the current JVC lens is good enough for true 4K. So, cost might not go up that much. Sony uses crappy lens on their entry level models, but JVC seems to use great lens for ALL models.
post #3664 of 3981
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Someone mentioned that the current JVC lens is good enough for true 4K. So, cost might not go up that much. Sony uses crappy lens on their entry level models, but JVC seems to use great lens for ALL models.

Is that true, I thought I heard the opposite?
post #3665 of 3981
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

I can't get my monster vision glasses to work properly with the JVC.

what problem are you seeing? I couldn't get them to work well with the RS57, the x-talk was excessive and couldn't properly tune them.
post #3666 of 3981
Can anyone comment on the JVC RS49/X500 vs Sony HW55ES? Has anyone personally compared them both?
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

I hope its not too good to be true. We all want very cheap 4k projectors. We know it won't be under $3000 any time soon, but under $8,000 is all I hope.

Believe me, I would love to see a good 4K projector street for 6K. If such an animal existed, I think I might be able to sell one or two. smile.gif
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post #3668 of 3981
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

Can anyone comment on the JVC RS49/X500 vs Sony HW55ES? Has anyone personally compared them both?

The JVC is a big step up from the HW50es i just had. The 55 by all accounts is very much the same projector as the 50. The JVC has 4K eshift which yields a smother more refined image then the Sony. It's not true 4k but it still has a positive effect on the image. The JVC has MUCH better black levels. The Sony has less lag for gaming, less flicker, brighter 3D (still haven't tried 3D on JVC) and great out of the box performance.

You need the right room to really appreciate the JVC. The JVC has caused me to put black electrical tape over any and all LED equipment lights because it can effect black levels and I'm in a blacked out basement. In a less then ideal room, the JVC wouldn't be that much better then the Sony. The main weakness of the Sony is a poor lens, which causes a softer picture with RC processing turned off.

The problem with my Monster Vision on the JVC is that they are not properly blocking the left and right eye from each other. I'm getting EXTREME ghosting, basically to the point that i'm seeing the same image with glasses on or off. I plugged the monster vision VESA adapter into the JVC and just turned on the Monster Vision glasses. The emitter went green but it's obviously not working. Is there something else i should be doing? The glasses go dark and seem to sync with the emitter but something is wrong. Seems like the JVC is running at a different refresh rate or something this year. Maybe I'll try my optoma emitter and glasses and see what happens...
post #3669 of 3981
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Believe me, I would love to see a good 4K projector street for 6K. If such an animal existed, I think I might be able to sell one or two. smile.gif

If I could get a 4K JVC for under $6,000, it would be great. Like someone split the cost.
post #3670 of 3981
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

The JVC is a big step up from the HW50es i just had. The 55 by all accounts is very much the same projector as the 50. The JVC has 4K eshift which yields a smother more refined image then the Sony. It's not true 4k but it still has a positive effect on the image. The JVC has MUCH better black levels. The Sony has less lag for gaming, less flicker, brighter 3D (still haven't tried 3D on JVC) and great out of the box performance.

You need the right room to really appreciate the JVC. The JVC has caused me to put black electrical tape over any and all LED equipment lights because it can effect black levels and I'm in a blacked out basement. In a less then ideal room, the JVC wouldn't be that much better then the Sony. The main weakness of the Sony is a poor lens, which causes a softer picture with RC processing turned off.

The problem with my Monster Vision on the JVC is that they are not properly blocking the left and right eye from each other. I'm getting EXTREME ghosting, basically to the point that i'm seeing the same image with glasses on or off. I plugged the monster vision VESA adapter into the JVC and just turned on the Monster Vision glasses. The emitter went green but it's obviously not working. Is there something else i should be doing? The glasses go dark and seem to sync with the emitter but something is wrong. Seems like the JVC is running at a different refresh rate or something this year. Maybe I'll try my optoma emitter and glasses and see what happens...

Thanks Conan. What do you think about this viewing environment? It's a multi-purpose living/theater room. I can black it out pretty well when I want (night & day) for watching Blu-ray.

Would I benefit from getting the JVC X500 over the Sony HW55?

My viewing env:
- 16' (L) x 12' (W) x 10' (H)
- Tan walls, except the screen wall, it will be flat non-reflective black paint (or hopefully Fidelio black velvet, WAF pending)
- Black tray ceiling w/ fiber-optic star ceiing (the tray starts at ~24" all the way around the room, the tray is black but the surround is white)
- Dark brown carpet (possible black rug, WAF pending)
- All black theater furniture (black cloth non reflective theater seating, black velvet on top of BDI Casata A/V cabinet)
- All black 5.1 speakers (Soundfield Audio L/R/C, Kef Q800ds Dipole Surrounds) and subwoofer (Rhythmik Audio FV15HP) (may all get wrapped in black velvet)
- Black tape already covers all the little LEDs on my equip as well (those are so distracting, but not anymore) biggrin.gif
- Two windows directly behind the seating with black blackout blinds and black curtains
- 2 x 16' motorized curtains w/ black velvet curtain material (1 for each 16' (L) side wall)
- **Still unsure - Screen (120" 16:9) Stewart StudioTek 130 G3, EluneVision Reference Studio 4K (1.0g) or PureBright 4K (2.4g) still waiting on samples of the EluneVision, but should be here next week
Edited by Mr. Hatcher - 1/24/14 at 10:15pm
post #3671 of 3981
Quick quirky question...

Does the 4910 fit in a carry on suitcase?
Will it fit in overhead cargo spot?

To answer my own question NO frown.gif

Projector Dimensions (W x H x D)
17 7/8" x 7” x 18 1/2"

Carry on luggage width is 14 in
Edited by nikos77 - 1/24/14 at 11:05pm
post #3672 of 3981
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Highjinx View Post

Guys...I said this yesterday in the 2014 mini shootout thread.

Going by the two images of the Sony and the JVC of the scene with the people on the 'Balcony' two dissimilar frames have been used, thus the comparison is invalid. Identical frames need to be used. I'm stumped as to why C4H didn't use identical frames...they do know better.

Hi,

and the others pictures ?
post #3673 of 3981
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Originally Posted by nikos77 View Post

Quick quirky question...

Does the 4910 fit in a carry on suitcase?
Will it fit in overhead cargo spot?

Yes and Yes. However without proper packaging you could cause damage to the projector.
post #3674 of 3981
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Originally Posted by nikos77 View Post

Quick quirky question...

Does the 4910 fit in a carry on suitcase?
Will it fit in overhead cargo spot?

To answer my own question NO frown.gif

Projector Dimensions (W x H x D)
17 7/8" x 7” x 18 1/2"

Carry on luggage width is 14 in

I indeed verified that this does not fit in a carry on luggage. This thing is quite a beast of a projector.
You can always ask to have the projector shipped to a courier service in the USA. That's how I got my projector to Israel. They really butchered me with the taxes but it's still 50% cheaper than street prices here smile.gif.
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I was hoping it did fit to fly and pick it myself for cheaper and get a free trip out of it with the savings
post #3676 of 3981
I would be surprised if JVC offered a native 4K for anything less than the MSRP of the current X700. I wouldn't be surprised to see a small bump up in price, but I don't think it will be that large. But all of this is speculation at this point and we can all go round and round until next September. Let's all just hope we get something close to what we want. wink.gif
post #3677 of 3981
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

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I am sure your poop is MUCH darker than the blacks that my DLP can produce, so my 7000 has its weaknesses as well! I am guessing the projector would still smell better than your poop though tongue.gif

It used to be [darker] my brutha… it used to be!

(I agree about the smell though)



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post #3678 of 3981
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Believe me, I would love to see a good 4K projector street for 6K. If such an animal existed, I think I might be able to sell one or two. smile.gif

And be able to pay for your kids college tuition a couple times over cause you'd sell that pipedream at dump truck levels! :roll eyes: tongue.gif
post #3679 of 3981
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

Thanks Conan. What do you think about this viewing environment? It's a multi-purpose living/theater room. I can black it out pretty well when I want (night & day) for watching Blu-ray.

Would I benefit from getting the JVC X500 over the Sony HW55?

My viewing env:
- 16' (L) x 12' (W) x 10' (H)
- Tan walls, except the screen wall, it will be flat non-reflective black paint (or hopefully Fidelio black velvet, WAF pending)
- Black tray ceiling w/ fiber-optic star ceiing (the tray starts at ~24" all the way around the room, the tray is black but the surround is white)
- Dark brown carpet (possible black rug, WAF pending)
- All black theater furniture (black cloth non reflective theater seating, black velvet on top of BDI Casata A/V cabinet)
- All black 5.1 speakers (Soundfield Audio L/R/C, Kef Q800ds Dipole Surrounds) and subwoofer (Rhythmik Audio FV15HP) (may all get wrapped in black velvet)
- Black tape already covers all the little LEDs on my equip as well (those are so distracting, but not anymore) biggrin.gif
- Two windows directly behind the seating with black blackout blinds and black curtains
- 2 x 16' motorized curtains w/ black velvet curtain material (1 for each 16' (L) side wall)
- **Still unsure - Screen (120" 16:9) Stewart StudioTek 130 G3, EluneVision Reference Studio 4K (1.0g) or PureBright 4K (2.4g) still waiting on samples of the EluneVision, but should be here next week

Yes! you definitely sound like a JVC candidate biggrin.gif Even zombie who used to have white walls eek.gif and still got benefit from the JVC. Now with his blacked out room, I'm sure he's much happier. My room is black ceiling, side walls, and dark carpet on the floor. All that darkness can be kinda depressing sometimes. LOL. Especially with the lack of sun in these damn winter months. That stupid LED light on the PS4 controller can really wash out my image, and I can't find a way to turn it off (just more tape)wink.gif
post #3680 of 3981
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post


The problem with my Monster Vision on the JVC is that they are not properly blocking the left and right eye from each other. I'm getting EXTREME ghosting, basically to the point that i'm seeing the same image with glasses on or off. I plugged the monster vision VESA adapter into the JVC and just turned on the Monster Vision glasses. The emitter went green but it's obviously not working. Is there something else i should be doing? The glasses go dark and seem to sync with the emitter but something is wrong. Seems like the JVC is running at a different refresh rate or something this year. Maybe I'll try my optoma emitter and glasses and see what happens...

Which seems a bit odd to me since it seems you and Jason have had zero problems with past JVC models and on my RS57 I've had zero problems using the old glasses which would seemingly be the same rate (I sold my 1st gen JVC's w/ the RS55 but still have a pair of the old 1st gen clone Xpand button batt's and a pair of the 2nd gen JVC usb's along with a bunch of x104's).

Wonder what would make it react so differently (I assume there's no software like the xPand's which allow you to change this rate?) There is a setting on my Lumagen in the 3D section about left eye right settings… maybe that could help.
post #3681 of 3981
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Yes! you definitely sound like a JVC candidate biggrin.gif Even zombie who used to have white walls eek.gif and still got benefit from the JVC. Now with his blacked out room, I'm sure he's much happier. My room is black ceiling, side walls, and dark carpet on the floor. All that darkness can be kinda depressing sometimes. LOL. Especially with the lack of sun in these damn winter months. That stupid LED light on the PS4 controller can really wash out my image, and I can't find a way to turn it off (just more tape)wink.gif

Sweet, I was hoping you would say that. biggrin.gif

Yeah, I like having the option of opening the curtains to let light in when I want, or close them and have a pretty blacked out room for critical viewing. That provides me and my wife a happy medium and doesn't isolate us from one another.

And I would definitely have to tape that damn PS4 controller light...it's way too bright. But apparently the PS Camera/Motion detector use that light, so if you use that feature and have the tape over the light it probably wont work correctly. Just take the tape off when you need to use that. I don't know why they didn't use IR.

Also, I'll just buy a decent really bright DLP later for gaming and 3D and daytime viewing with ambient light. That's the new plan at least. smile.gif
Edited by Mr. Hatcher - 1/25/14 at 11:20am
post #3682 of 3981
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post

Which seems a bit odd to me since it seems you and Jason have had zero problems with past JVC models and on my RS57 I've had zero problems using the old glasses which would seemingly be the same rate (I sold my 1st gen JVC's w/ the RS55 but still have a pair of the old 1st gen clone Xpand button batt's and a pair of the 2nd gen JVC usb's along with a bunch of x104's).

Wonder what would make it react so differently (I assume there's no software like the xPand's which allow you to change this rate?) There is a setting on my Lumagen in the 3D section about left eye right settings… maybe that could help.

his experience was the same as mine, it's definitely syncing, but the x-talk is so bad that you couldn't possibly use the glasses for extended periods of time. I couldn't find a way to tune it out.

maybe they changed the timing, seems odd though that it works with other univeral glasses like the 104's which have been around for a while.
post #3683 of 3981
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

I would be surprised if JVC offered a native 4K for anything less than the MSRP of the current X700. I wouldn't be surprised to see a small bump up in price, but I don't think it will be that large. But all of this is speculation at this point and we can all go round and round until next September. Let's all just hope we get something close to what we want. wink.gif

Yeah, we do have no clue what JVC will do. If they don't finalize the blu ray standard by September, we might be speculating for another year. But if they do, it should be at the X700 or in between the X700 and X900. We all know the pre order prices and both will be well under what the Sony 500/600ES is going for. There's a good changes the street price will be less than $6500. I'm more curious about the blu ray standard than anything else right now. What's the point of buying a native 4k jvc when we can't watch movies in 4K?
post #3684 of 3981
My thoughts exactly. Honestly I'm even more curious about where Hollywood is gonna get enough 4K content to launch a new format and scared we'll see a lot of upscaled material like the early days of DVD with laserdisc.
post #3685 of 3981
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

My thoughts exactly. Honestly I'm even more curious about where Hollywood is gonna get enough 4K content to launch a new format and scared we'll see a lot of upscaled material like the early days of DVD with laserdisc.

This is precisely the reason why I can't fathom people justfying investing in a 4k projector right now or for that matter even caring about the format. We don't even know whether the studios (other than Sony perhaps) will embrace it. Furthermore, I could see the studios perhaps embracing it for new movies at a steep premium for disc-based media (read: old laserdisc type pricing), but will they invest in upgrading catalog titles to the new format - knowing that 99% of households will never care about it, as they are completely satisfied with blu-ray and broadcast 1080p - probably not. The fact is the market for 4K is incredibly small and is really just limited videophile communities like this one. While we may want it, the studios are going to have a hard time determining when and where to invest it.
Edited by nohjy - 1/26/14 at 10:54am
post #3686 of 3981
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Originally Posted by nohjy View Post

This is precisely the reason why I can't fathom people justfying investing in a 4k projector right now or for that matter even caring about the format. We don't even know whether the studios (other than Sony perhaps) will embrace it. Furthermore, I could see the studios perhaps embracing it for new movies at a steep premium for disc-based media (read: old laserdisc type pricing), but will they invest in upgrading catalog titles to the new format - knowing that 99% of households will never care about it, as they are completely satisfied with blu-ray and broadcast 1080p - probably not. The fact is the market for 4K is incredibly small and is really just limited videophile communities like this one. While we may want it, the studios are going to have a hard time determining when and where to invest it.

Just recently 1080p has been in people homes. Before the ps4 and Xbox 1, the only 1080p material was blu ray. People still preferred DVDs, streaming, SD TV, and 720p/1080i HDTV. So, 4k will probably won't be adapted for 5+ years, then 8k will be out. With 4k streaming, hopefully it wilk be close to blu ray 1080p quality
post #3687 of 3981
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Originally Posted by nohjy View Post

This is precisely the reason why I can't fathom people justfying investing in a 4k projector right now or for that matter even caring about the format. We don't even know whether the studios (other than Sony perhaps) will embrace it. Furthermore, I could see the studios perhaps embracing it for new movies at a steep premium for disc-based media (read: old laserdisc type pricing), but will they invest in upgrading catalog titles to the new format - knowing that 99% of households will never care about it, as they are completely satisfied with blu-ray and broadcast 1080p - probably not. The fact is the market for 4K is incredibly small and is really just limited videophile communities like this one. While we may want it, the studios are going to have a hard time determining when and where to invest it.

Perhaps I can help you fathom, since I almost bought the Sony 500ES 4K projector.

The interest in 4K projectors isn't only about viewing 4K source material: it's also about what a current 4K projector can bring to the table in other areas. The Sony 4Ks being the projectors of the moment, the engineering quality of the 4K projectors (including higher lens quality) bring some nice benefits across the board, in terms of excellent contrast combined with significantly higher brightness, as well as added pixel density, which can make for bigger, better images over all with regular 1080i/1080p content. As well, it seems that having 4K worth of real pixels allows for some nice processing benefits when it comes to picture detail/contrast/sharpness enhancements. Lots of people have noted how much better Sony's Reality Creation software seems to work on the 4K models, vs the 1080p models - the effect looking too crude and processed in the 1080p models than it does with the 4K resolution models. The end result is that almost every owner of the 4K models talk of how amazing the boost is in apparent image quality for standard Blu-Rays.

I'm not that interested in 4K content until there actually is some significant 4K content, so that didn't drive my interest in the Sony 4K model; I was interested in making my Blu-Ray collection look it's best. And it seems the consensus from owners is that whether 4K is immanent or not, the upgrade in overall picture quality they have with existing sources already justifies their purchase of the 4K models.
post #3688 of 3981
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

Just recently 1080p has been in people homes. Before the ps4 and Xbox 1, the only 1080p material was blu ray. People still preferred DVDs, streaming, SD TV, and 720p/1080i HDTV. So, 4k will probably won't be adapted for 5+ years, then 8k will be out. With 4k streaming, hopefully it wilk be close to blu ray 1080p quality

Yeah, this one of the other concerns i have... is 4k even a long term format? It would seem it is really a quick stop on the way to 8K. Dont even get me started on streaming of UHD. There will be bandwidth issues for years and the compression is going to effect PQ on larger screens.
post #3689 of 3981
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Perhaps I can help you fathom, since I almost bought the Sony 500ES 4K projector.

The interest in 4K projectors isn't only about viewing 4K source material: it's also about what a current 4K projector can bring to the table in other areas. The Sony 4Ks being the projectors of the moment, the engineering quality of the 4K projectors (including higher lens quality) bring some nice benefits across the board, in terms of excellent contrast combined with significantly higher brightness, as well as added pixel density, which can make for bigger, better images over all with regular 1080i/1080p content. As well, it seems that having 4K worth of real pixels allows for some nice processing benefits when it comes to picture detail/contrast/sharpness enhancements. Lots of people have noted how much better Sony's Reality Creation software seems to work on the 4K models, vs the 1080p models - the effect looking too crude and processed in the 1080p models than it does with the 4K resolution models. The end result is that almost every owner of the 4K models talk of how amazing the boost is in apparent image quality for standard Blu-Rays.

I'm not that interested in 4K content until there actually is some significant 4K content, so that didn't drive my interest in the Sony 4K model; I was interested in making my Blu-Ray collection look it's best. And it seems the consensus from owners is that whether 4K is immanent or not, the upgrade in overall picture quality they have with existing sources already justifies their purchase of the 4K models.


Well said. I only had a short demo of the 600, but what impressed me just as much as the 4k content was how good standard blu ray looked and this for me would justify the purchase alone no matter the outcome of actual 4k material. That cine4home comparison linked here earlier this week is one great example of what 4k can bring and I noticed similar qualities to the Sony when I saw it on the 13' wide ST130 screen. I was amazed at how sharp and detailed the image looked on this large a screen.
post #3690 of 3981
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Perhaps I can help you fathom, since I almost bought the Sony 500ES 4K projector.

The interest in 4K projectors isn't only about viewing 4K source material: it's also about what a current 4K projector can bring to the table in other areas. The Sony 4Ks being the projectors of the moment, the engineering quality of the 4K projectors (including higher lens quality) bring some nice benefits across the board, in terms of excellent contrast combined with significantly higher brightness, as well as added pixel density, which can make for bigger, better images over all with regular 1080i/1080p content. As well, it seems that having 4K worth of real pixels allows for some nice processing benefits when it comes to picture detail/contrast/sharpness enhancements. Lots of people have noted how much better Sony's Reality Creation software seems to work on the 4K models, vs the 1080p models - the effect looking too crude and processed in the 1080p models than it does with the 4K resolution models. The end result is that almost every owner of the 4K models talk of how amazing the boost is in apparent image quality for standard Blu-Rays.

I'm not that interested in 4K content until there actually is some significant 4K content, so that didn't drive my interest in the Sony 4K model; I was interested in making my Blu-Ray collection look it's best. And it seems the consensus from owners is that whether 4K is immanent or not, the upgrade in overall picture quality they have with existing sources already justifies their purchase of the 4K models.

I understand the benefits from an upscaling standpoint... if that is the only driver for a 4k screen it will be a massive failure...
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