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I would like to see JVC implement Dolby's HDR.

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post #3812 of 3982
So i finally got my new JVC x700 up and running i think i have approx 15 hours on it, have a few questions... does the new FW only fix the HDMI issues people were having, i've did a bunch of tests flipping from 4k source to 1080/60 1080/24 haven't had any issues.. should i upgrade to the newest FW are there any other tweaks/fixes besides the HDMI issue? 2nd questions is around calibration, i've read http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35322 and everything sounds great just wondering were i start with calibration, i own a copy of calman5 and the X-Rite i1 Display Pro, i purchased these a few months ago to calibrate my Panasonic VT 65" and 60" using there autocal... i notice the new JVCs also support autocal, has anyone used this yet on the new projectors? also for anyone who has calibrated which user mode did you calibrate,THX or one of the others? should i be turning off eShift when calibrating? and/or anything else to get the best results... just looking for somewhere to start this calibration process I've attached a few pics of my mounting solution for the projector on the back end which is in another room theres a door that goes on the vent cover and inside the vent cover i have 3 120MM pc fans that turn on with the projector and turn off with the projector to constant airflow through the wall..





post #3813 of 3982
Anyone know if there are supply issues with the JVC x series or RS series projectors? I ordered an x500 a couple weeks ago from my local magnolia design center and was due in there warehouse on the 27th. None of there stores have received any and they've been out for over a month now. I know they had firmware issues. They just ordered an RS4910 yesterday to see if they can get that quicker than the x500.
post #3814 of 3982
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Originally Posted by aniv View Post

Yes and Yes. However without proper packaging you could cause damage to the projector.
I carried my X70 with hprc 2700W hard case several time, still survive. The size fit perfectly with this box. I didn`t use the foam from hprc, I ask one of my vendor to make the foam for me with higher density han hprc`s. You should consider this cases or pelican but much heavier under same dimension.
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I ask one of my vendor to make the foam for me with higher density han hprc`s.

Careful you don't overdo it; too stiff and if dropped will cause higher deceleration/shock.
post #3816 of 3982
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Anyone know if there are supply issues with the JVC x series or RS series projectors? I ordered an x500 a couple weeks ago from my local magnolia design center and was due in there warehouse on the 27th. None of there stores have received any and they've been out for over a month now. I know they had firmware issues. They just ordered an RS4910 yesterday to see if they can get that quicker than the x500.

I don't think so - we have plenty in stock right now !
post #3817 of 3982

V-streching distortion in 3D

 

I love the 2D picture of my RS 4910 and the 3D picture in 1.85:1 is ok. I can tolerate the flickering and if there is not too much movement in the picture which leads to a bit of blurring. 

 

However, switching from a regular 3D 1.85 picture with black bars on top and bottom to v-stretching in 3D of the same picture on my 2.35:1 Stewart 1.5 gain screen leads to instant artifacts. It appears with or without using my Schneider M anamorphic lens, so it's not the lens. It's hard to describe what i'm seeing but any movement becomes artificial. For instance Bobby the dog in Tintin 3D when running seems to float over the surface, cars glide unnaturally as if disconnected from the road, and any movement by people show motion jumps/smears, water flowing or camera pans look off. I have to sit an additional row back and still have a hard time getting my eyes to focus on the fast moving objects or people. I also noticed considerable more eye strain while watching in this mode as if my eyes are trying to make sense of something unnatural on the screen. I'm left with a slight headache something I never have with 1.85 3D on my projector or in theaters. 

 

All this is NOT noticeable in 1.85 3D without the v-stretching. By the way I have CMD, and Clear Black off, so it's not the "soap opera" etc. artifacts that arise from using these adjustments. Using CMD does not help in the v-stretch mode while it does in 1.85 aspect ratio although I hate the effect and leave it off. V-streching in 2D with lens is completely normal. 

 

Is it possible the algorithms used for 3D v-streching for each eye are inaccurate, creating a distortion in the adjusted 3D stretched picture. Currently I have to use zoom to fill my 2:35:1 screen rather than using the v-strech with lens to get a "normal" looking 3D picture without black bars.

 

Does anyone have the same issue or knows what is going on here? Is there a way to resolve this? Does this issue exist on the previous round of projectors too? Thanks for you help.

post #3818 of 3982
Well, my Goldenear-based Home Theater setup is finally complete.
Pictures & Video below, please note that they were taken with a wide-angle 14mm lens on a full frame body, the how is not that distorted and huge in reality smile.gif.


Rega RP3 in the entrance:
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Entrance:
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Behind sitting area, with projector screen and television hidden away:
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Left surround speaker in dinning room is a Goldenear SuperSat 3:
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Shading on back door entry to allow projector viewing during the day:
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Sharing on windows, Phillips Friends of Hue LED strip in changing colors controlled from Logitech remote or iPhone App:
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Right speaker above fireplace:
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Rega RP3:
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Wiring under the turntable goes through the wall...
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...into a seperate "work room" which can also be called the "mess room" smile.gif. Connected to a TT-PSU power supply and an Emotiva XSP-1 Preamp.
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All electronics with all the mess are in this room, including (from left to right):
TT-PSU
Emotiva XSP-1 Preamp
Emotiva XDA-2 DAC
Emotiva XPA-3
Onkyo 818
Apple Time Capsule
NAS4FREE home server
Darbee Darblet
Apple TV
PS3
XBOX 360
DVB-T set top box
Boxee Box

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All is controlled through the hub of Logitech Harmony Ultimate:
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All this mess is spared from the living room:
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Wiring goes through from work room to drywall ceiling in living room, not the prettiest at the moment, but will be improved:
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Back surround and JVC RS4910 projector:
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Open window, with shade, with drapes. Front speakeres: Goldenear Triton Two, behind them GIK acoustics Tri-traps
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Goldenear SuperCenter XL, next to a logitech IR extender to operate the projector and projector screen. another extender is inside the wooden cabinet to operate the TV Lift.
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Grandview 140" 2.35 projection screen behind hidden away:
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Here's a video showing the project taking shape, and also projector/Screen/TV Lift in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX1TgxJZ8jk
post #3819 of 3982
Congrats odedia.

Though, I'm wondering if you are aware that an all white room like that is a very tough environment for a projector: all those white surfaces are going to reflect light back on to the screen and is likely to substantially reduce the contrast of the image, and the JVC's contrast is what you've paid for. Are you taking any steps to deal with this? Do you plan on leaving the room around the projector white like that? If you are keeping the area around your screen that bright white, it would be highly recommend that you go with one of the many "specialty" screens made to preserve contrast in challenging rooms like yours. Most screen manufacturers make a gray screen with gain - e.g. Stewart's Firehawk material, or Screen Innovations Black Diamond screens, and others. Is your Grandview screen a white screen (uh-oh) or a gray screen with gain (better)?

But it would still be best if you could paint the screen/viewing area a significantly darker color.

Another solution that I favor and have used, is to run a curtain rail along the two side walls to each side of the screen, and have dark curtains (velvet being best) stacked discretely in the corners to the side of the screen. Then for watching a movie or whatever, you just pull the curtains out along the side walls and that cuts those bright wall reflections. For that ceiling, I think you'd have to paint darker, though.

ETA: I just watched your video. I'd thought you were trying to integrate into an existing upper floor room, hence the white decor, but it appears you actually purposely renovated a lower floor space for your home theater.
Which makes the choice of bright white paint twice as puzzling. Did you do any research about projection before making such decisions?
Edited by R Harkness - 2/11/14 at 6:04am
post #3820 of 3982
Nice looking place Oded. I like the turntable mounted like that. smile.gif
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post #3821 of 3982
All that equipment, all that work and it's in a white room! With a PJ like the 4910 that is a major compromise.
post #3822 of 3982
Thanks all. It's the living room, not a dedicated room, I can't use dark colors. The contrast is fine, the image quality is great. I know it's probably not perfect but that's the best you can do under the circumstances. I really do enjoy it. It's a great first setup for me.
post #3823 of 3982
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Originally Posted by odedia View Post

Here's a video showing the project taking shape, and also projector/Screen/TV Lift in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX1TgxJZ8jk

If anyone wants a graphic illustration of just how much a white-based room interacts with a projected image, look at the video starting at 6:00, when the Fifth Element is played.
Wow.
post #3824 of 3982
odedia, you did some very nice work in the room and no one means to tell you you "ought" to choose a decor you don't like for the room. We all choose our own compromises. It's just that, if increasing image quality and reducing room distractions
were something you were interested in - as most of us are here - there are numerous ways to address this in non-dedicated rooms. (Again, even a screen designed to address these issues would help, without
even touching your room's decor).

Hey, don't you know this is a place people come to learn how to be dissatisfied with what they have? biggrin.gifsmile.gif
post #3825 of 3982
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Hey, don't you know this is a place people come to learn how to be dissatisfied with what they have? biggrin.gifsmile.gif

I think that should be AVS's tagline, Tekzilla has "Get the most out of the gear you've already got"

AVS would be: "A place to become dissatisfied with what you have."

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post #3826 of 3982
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

odedia, you did some very nice work in the room and no one means to tell you you "ought" to choose a decor you don't like for the room. We all choose our own compromises. It's just that, if increasing image quality and reducing room distractions
were something you were interested in - as most of us are here - there are numerous ways to address this in non-dedicated rooms. (Again, even a screen designed to address these issues would help, without
even touching your room's decor).

Hey, don't you know this is a place people come to learn how to be dissatisfied with what they have? biggrin.gifsmile.gif

Ofcourse I do, why do you think I have an i1 Display Pro being shipped to me as we speak biggrin.gif.
A different screen would be an interesting option down the line. right now money is tight with all the money we put in. I would probably consider a DYI paint job to the existing screen if needed.
post #3827 of 3982
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Originally Posted by odedia View Post

Thanks all. It's the living room, not a dedicated room, I can't use dark colors. The contrast is fine, the image quality is great. I know it's probably not perfect but that's the best you can do under the circumstances. I really do enjoy it. It's a great first setup for me.

What is the throw distance of your projector in this setup?
post #3828 of 3982
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Originally Posted by cchrono View Post

What is the throw distance of your projector in this setup?

For 16:9, it is mid-range.
For 2.35:1, it is minimum range.
post #3829 of 3982
Android remote control APP is now available. See download section on this page: http://procision.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL029313&pathId=71&page=10
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post #3830 of 3982
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Originally Posted by PJ2014 View Post
 

V-streching distortion in 3D

 

I love the 2D picture of my RS 4910 and the 3D picture in 1.85:1 is ok. I can tolerate the flickering and if there is not too much movement in the picture which leads to a bit of blurring. 

 

However, switching from a regular 3D 1.85 picture with black bars on top and bottom to v-stretching in 3D of the same picture on my 2.35:1 Stewart 1.5 gain screen leads to instant artifacts. It appears with or without using my Schneider M anamorphic lens, so it's not the lens. It's hard to describe what i'm seeing but any movement becomes artificial. For instance Bobby the dog in Tintin 3D when running seems to float over the surface, cars glide unnaturally as if disconnected from the road, and any movement by people show motion jumps/smears, water flowing or camera pans look off. I have to sit an additional row back and still have a hard time getting my eyes to focus on the fast moving objects or people. I also noticed considerable more eye strain while watching in this mode as if my eyes are trying to make sense of something unnatural on the screen. I'm left with a slight headache something I never have with 1.85 3D on my projector or in theaters. 

 

All this is NOT noticeable in 1.85 3D without the v-stretching. By the way I have CMD, and Clear Black off, so it's not the "soap opera" etc. artifacts that arise from using these adjustments. Using CMD does not help in the v-stretch mode while it does in 1.85 aspect ratio although I hate the effect and leave it off. V-streching in 2D with lens is completely normal. 

 

Is it possible the algorithms used for 3D v-streching for each eye are inaccurate, creating a distortion in the adjusted 3D stretched picture. Currently I have to use zoom to fill my 2:35:1 screen rather than using the v-strech with lens to get a "normal" looking 3D picture without black bars.

 

Does anyone have the same issue or knows what is going on here? Is there a way to resolve this? Does this issue exist on the previous round of projectors too? Thanks for you help.

 

 

RESPONSE FROM JVC

 

I just heard back from JVC with the message that they were able to reproduce the problem with the 3D v-stretching and that they are looking at it right now. They will let me know what the resolution is going to be. Hopefully something that can be fixed with a firmware upgrade.

post #3831 of 3982
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Originally Posted by PJ2014 View Post
 

V-streching distortion in 3D

 

I love the 2D picture of my RS 4910 and the 3D picture in 1.85:1 is ok. I can tolerate the flickering and if there is not too much movement in the picture which leads to a bit of blurring. 

 

However, switching from a regular 3D 1.85 picture with black bars on top and bottom to v-stretching in 3D of the same picture on my 2.35:1 Stewart 1.5 gain screen leads to instant artifacts. It appears with or without using my Schneider M anamorphic lens, so it's not the lens. It's hard to describe what i'm seeing but any movement becomes artificial. For instance Bobby the dog in Tintin 3D when running seems to float over the surface, cars glide unnaturally as if disconnected from the road, and any movement by people show motion jumps/smears, water flowing or camera pans look off. I have to sit an additional row back and still have a hard time getting my eyes to focus on the fast moving objects or people. I also noticed considerable more eye strain while watching in this mode as if my eyes are trying to make sense of something unnatural on the screen. I'm left with a slight headache something I never have with 1.85 3D on my projector or in theaters. 

 

All this is NOT noticeable in 1.85 3D without the v-stretching. By the way I have CMD, and Clear Black off, so it's not the "soap opera" etc. artifacts that arise from using these adjustments. Using CMD does not help in the v-stretch mode while it does in 1.85 aspect ratio although I hate the effect and leave it off. V-streching in 2D with lens is completely normal. 

 

Is it possible the algorithms used for 3D v-streching for each eye are inaccurate, creating a distortion in the adjusted 3D stretched picture. Currently I have to use zoom to fill my 2:35:1 screen rather than using the v-strech with lens to get a "normal" looking 3D picture without black bars.

 

Does anyone have the same issue or knows what is going on here? Is there a way to resolve this? Does this issue exist on the previous round of projectors too? Thanks for you help.

 

RESPONSE FROM JVC

 

I just heard back from JVC with the message that they were able to reproduce the problem with the 3D v-stretching and that they are looking at it right now. They will let me know what the resolution is going to be. Hopefully something that can be fixed with a firmware upgrade.

post #3832 of 3982
I've changed my projector shelf a bit and need to readjust my lens memory positions. Is it best to clear/reset my memories from scratch or make the changes and save to my existing memories. What exactly does the "Lens Center" function do, and is that a bad thing to use? It's a bit confusing as some people here have stated that type of adjustment can really screw things up.
post #3833 of 3982
Just make the needed changes and save.
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post #3834 of 3982
I'm going to be contacting URC to ask them to add the codes for this years models.

Can someone who upgraded from one of last year's models give me a list of what needs to be added?

Thanks
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post #3836 of 3982
Just a reminder. JVC specifies a 57600 baud rate for Flash Magic and I believe you get all three lights if you are updating for the first time, and you only get the one red light if you are updating the projector for the second time. So if only getting one red light, proceed with the update. There is no problem.
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post #3837 of 3982
Can anyone tell me if a used JVC RS57 with 3 hours on it is worth $600 more than a new X500 with spare lamp, 1 pair of 3d glasses and 3d emitter?
In Canada.

Or is there a better place to ask?
Edited by Kamikaze13 - 4/2/14 at 9:56am
post #3838 of 3982
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Originally Posted by Kamikaze13 View Post

Can anyone tell me if a used JVC RS57 with 3 hours on it is worth $600 more than a new X500 with spare lamp, 1 pair of 3d glasses and 3d emitter?
In Canada.

Or is there a better place to ask?

I'd really want to have the new "II" that the X500 has. But I've got a bat-cave. That's what's holding me back from buying any of the previous models on the used market.
post #3839 of 3982
I'm confused, I thought the RS57 was the same as the X700 except for the ugly gold bezel around the lens. Wouldn't that be an upgrade over the X500? Or are they not the same?
post #3840 of 3982
Who thinks that JVC will release a true 4K projector at CEDIA 2014 for less than $10,000 ?
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