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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Just bough the disney wow calibration disc , and I'am having trouble with the beginner pattern contrast setting, apparently you have 3 bars on the left displaying slightly darker whites and another 3 bars on the right displaying more ideal whites, this is where the problem lies, to get an optimal picture you must be able to see one of the white bars on the right and I cant see any at all !! , even with the contrast and backlight all the way down I still cant see it, its like the pattern isn't there.

I can see the pattern on the advanced setting which is the checkerboard , but It is still really difficult to set the contrast, as the white is not going dark enough to see the pattern even when contrast and backlight are at its lowest



settings so far

Backlight 16
Contrast 92
Bright 47
Sharpness 22
Colour 44
Tint R53 G47


any help appreciated
post #2 of 11
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Originally Posted by garagenation View Post

Just bough the disney wow calibration disc , and I'am having trouble with the beginner pattern contrast setting, apparently you have 3 bars on the left displaying slightly darker whites and another 3 bars on the right displaying more ideal whites, this is where the problem lies, to get an optimal picture you must be able to see one of the white bars on the right and I cant see any at all !! , even with the contrast and backlight all the way down I still cant see it, its like the pattern isn't there.

I can see the pattern on the advanced setting which is the checkerboard , but It is still really difficult to set the contrast, as the white is not going dark enough to see the pattern even when contrast and backlight are at its lowest



settings so far

Backlight 16
Contrast 92
Bright 47
Sharpness 22
Colour 44
Tint R53 G47


any help appreciated
Give more information about your setup. What display and player are you using?
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
Yup sorry

My display is a Samsung UE32F5000 / 1080p (using ps3 as bluray)

Backlight 16
Contrast 92
Bright 47
Sharpness 23
Colour 44
Tint G47 R53

Dynamic contrast off
Black tone off
Colour space native
Gamma 0
Flesh tone 0
white balance (default 25)
HDMI black level on normal

I cant seem to do the contrast setting on the beginner contrast section on the disney wow disc, the three bars on the right displaying ideal and bright whites, my display shows too higher whites and is clipping, even when the contrast and backlight is really low the 3 bars do not show at all, not even one. I can see the white contrast checkerboard on the advanced setting of the menu but not the beginner.

It seems like I have to balance backlight and contrast together, still quite confusing.

anyone else got the disney wow disc and managed to set the contrast properly.
Edited by garagenation - 8/15/13 at 12:06pm
post #4 of 11
Pretty sure for Video levels on your TV, you should set HDMI Black Level to Low. You'll also probably need to set the PS3's RGB range to Limited.
Then you'll need to recheck all your settings again with the WOW disc.
Keep in mind though, these are the settings optimal for viewing Video, not necessarily optimal for gaming.
Edited by AKJohnny - 8/15/13 at 12:49pm
post #5 of 11
Here's the PS3 settings I recommend you try with your TV.

PS3 menus:

Settings > Video Settings > BD/DVD - Video Output Format (HDM): Automatic, or YPb/Cb Pr/Cr

Settings > Display Settings > RGB Full Range (HDMI): Limited

Settings > Display Settings > Y Pb/CB Pr/Cr Super- White (HDMI): On

Settings > Display Settings > Deep Color Output (HDMI): Off
post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by ElectronicTonic View Post

Here's the PS3 settings I recommend you try with your TV.

PS3 menus:

Settings > Video Settings > BD/DVD - Video Output Format (HDM): Automatic, or YPb/Cb Pr/Cr

Settings > Display Settings > RGB Full Range (HDMI): Limited

Settings > Display Settings > Y Pb/CB Pr/Cr Super- White (HDMI): On

Settings > Display Settings > Deep Color Output (HDMI): Off



thanks, I can now see the full test pattern for beginner (how the hell did you know that ),

I should be able to set it up better now.

The only problem is I'm setting for it xbox 360 aswell , so surely after setting up on ps3, I can just put it in video source Ycbr on the xbox 360 and it should copy the settings over right ?
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by garagenation View Post

thanks, I can now see the full test pattern for beginner (how the hell did you know that ),

I should be able to set it up better now.

The only problem is I'm setting for it xbox 360 aswell , so surely after setting up on ps3, I can just put it in video source Ycbr on the xbox 360 and it should copy the settings over right ?

Glad it worked!

As far as the 360, here are some settings to check.

In the xbox menus: System Settings > Console Settings > Display:

Reference Levels: Standard

HDMI Color Space: You can try......Auto, Source or YCbCr709 (Auto should match the PS3's Auto, and YCbCr709 match YPb/Cb Pr/Cr)

I've spent countless hours calibrating many different gaming setups, including my own. Feel free to PM me with any questions.
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
I did figure out thou , that you may either have to choose super whites or super blacks,

as in Ycbr source (pc mode I think) the black level on low its ghosted on my tv so the setting stays as normal, this mode I can see the full test pattern with super whites on, but in RGB mode I get the black level low setting again but that gives me limited view on the full pattern again, meaning I either have ideal blacks or ideal whites and I cant have both, still a bit confusing.

I did have a thought its probably wrong, can I increase the white balance ? , if I raise the offset and gain of red green and blue does that improve the brightness of the whites as the default setting is 25, if maybe I could move all the colours up to 50 will the whites become brighter and maybe I can see the full test pattern without having to turn on super whites on the ps3.
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
Actually I think I'am wrong again ,

I think the best settings is RGB limited / standard on ps3 and xbox 360 ,I have managed to calibrate the best I could and it looks very good , here are my settings

Samsung UE32F5000 / 1080p / LED

Backlight 20
Contrast 100 ( ideal white without clipping according to the advanced test pattern, but in the beginner test pattern it does clip ??
Bright 45
Sharpness 18
Colour 42 (I've managed to even up the tint and colours with the blue tint, but the colour does seem a little dull

Dyanamic contrast - off
Black tone - off
Hdmi black level - low

Overall, I'am please with it, but to make it better I would really like the colour a bit higher, without unbalancing it too much
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by garagenation View Post

Actually I think I'am wrong again ,

I think the best settings is RGB limited / standard on ps3 and xbox 360 ,I have managed to calibrate the best I could and it looks very good , here are my settings

Samsung UE32F5000 / 1080p / LED

Backlight 20
Contrast 100 ( ideal white without clipping according to the advanced test pattern, but in the beginner test pattern it does clip ??
Bright 45
Sharpness 18
Colour 42 (I've managed to even up the tint and colours with the blue tint, but the colour does seem a little dull

Dyanamic contrast - off
Black tone - off
Hdmi black level - low

Overall, I'am please with it, but to make it better I would really like the colour a bit higher, without unbalancing it too much


http://www.spearsandmunsil.com/
you might want to try here. they explain how each setting works with contrast, brightness etc etc.

Jacob
post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by garagenation View Post

Actually I think I'am wrong again ,

I think the best settings is RGB limited / standard on ps3 and xbox 360 ,I have managed to calibrate the best I could and it looks very good , here are my settings

Samsung UE32F5000 / 1080p / LED

Backlight 20
Contrast 100 ( ideal white without clipping according to the advanced test pattern, but in the beginner test pattern it does clip ??
Bright 45
Sharpness 18
Colour 42 (I've managed to even up the tint and colours with the blue tint, but the colour does seem a little dull

Dyanamic contrast - off
Black tone - off
Hdmi black level - low

Overall, I'am please with it, but to make it better I would really like the colour a bit higher, without unbalancing it too much

Yes, I would stay with Limited/Standard. I would use the pattern that clips for contrast, then drop contrast just below clipping. If colors seem a little dull, just turn up your main color control a couple clicks. Are you using the blue filters that came with the disc, or is there a blue only mode on the TV? If it's the filters, I wouldn't even use them. Just start with your color control at default, and use the color adjustment patterns. If your TV has a "blue only" mode, use that with a color bar pattern. I also wouldn't mess with your "offset/gain" controls unless you have calibration tools and software.

You should definitely check out the LINK that Jacob305 posted above. There's a lot of great info there.
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