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post #31 of 72
I think they're gonna' be in for a rude awakening, unless they can somehow wrestle market share away from the 7 or 8 manufacturers who supersede them in LED sales.
post #32 of 72
I purchased this a few weeks ago as a secondary monitor in my system:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/led-tv/UE22F5000AKXXU

.....and to supplement my Panasonic GT50 primary monitor.

Whilst it has stunning PQ on axis of display, move a little to the right or left and it rapidly looses that PQ. Reckon that's the achilles heel of LED technology.

Nowhere near the PQ of my GT50, but then I purchased it simply to take over tasks the GT50 shouldn't have to do.

Good value, though.
post #33 of 72
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

Here`s what i`d like to see out of Panny`s new 2014 plasma lineup.

ABL settings `weak`, medium & strong
Even brighter, achieving what the samsung 8500 is capable of which is the brightest plasma on the market.
16ms of input lag
better motion handeling + less dithering. CRT is still the king in this area.

At this point, i don`t need better black levels. the S60`s are good enough.

I don't believe ABL can work like that. It's more of a design implementation related to the power supply. Panasonic has pretty much using the same ABL for quite some time now and I wouldn't expect that to change in 2014.

I could see them being somewhat brighter next year.

Input lag will probably vary on the model again.

No change on motion handling which is actually quite good.

I could see blacks being very slightly better, but I don't think anything significant as the R&D was pulled.
post #34 of 72
Samsung will still be here with plasma.

Has anyone heard anything from LG with regard to plasma recently ?...

Panasonic have built and designed their last plasma panel with the ZT - it's as good as it gets for Panasonic.

Unfortunately there won't ever be a plasma panel built that will match the 2008 Pioneers panels/module's.
post #35 of 72
As much as I like my Kuro, plasmas are dead. Samsung put out a good last effot and maybe they will go out with a bang similar to pioneer but the tech is done.
post #36 of 72
To those who live and die by the Kuro brand, it's dead. It's still on life support as far as I'm concerned.
post #37 of 72
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Originally Posted by RobertR1 View Post

As much as I like my Kuro, plasmas are dead. Samsung put out a good last effot and maybe they will go out with a bang similar to pioneer but the tech is done.
They ain't done till all of them not making them anymore.
post #38 of 72
Can you bet that new 65" model from Panasonic's 2014 VT series will launch at a price of $2500? I sure hope that next year models will be cheaper that 2013 models. If my expectations come true, than I will hold off from purchasing 2013 model and wait for 2014.
post #39 of 72
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Mark my words there will be Panasonic plasmas in 2014. Now for 2015 , that could be the end for producing the panny plasmas.


Want to retract that strong statement?
post #40 of 72
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

They ain't done till all of them not making them anymore.

And now?
post #41 of 72
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I think they're gonna' be in for a rude awakening, unless they can somehow wrestle market share away from the 7 or 8 manufacturers who supersede them in LED sales.

You've been saying for a while now that plasma was done. looks like you were right.
post #42 of 72
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Originally Posted by igreg View Post

Want to retract that strong statement?

At the time that was made there was information to that effect, I think all of us thought 2014 would be the last year
post #43 of 72
Someone has already found a link for the 2014 Samsungs. The "H" series. Lower end model launches around March it seems, like $1400 for a 64". No ETA for the upper end H7000 yet. (If the information that was found is legit)

Only question is, will the H series be new models or just re-wrapped 2013 models?
post #44 of 72
I've been doing some poking around the web and so far this looks like Samsung's 2014 Plasma lineup:

The 2013 PNF4500 720p series will carry over into 2014

The 2013 PNF5300 1080p series will carry over into 2014

The 2013 PNF8500 1080p series will continue at least through the first half of 2014


The 2013 F5300 Edit: i meant the F5350 and F5500 series appear to be discontinued, not sure though.



New for 2014:

A new PNH7000 series (51", 60", 64"), which (according to a CES article) will be $300-$700 less than the F8500 series, will have reduced smart functionality, and will
lose the Quad Core Processor, voice and gesture recognition, built-in camera, and also lose the premium bezel design of the F8500, but maintain the high contrast picture.

A new 64" PNH5000 model is on the ABT website for pre-order:

http://www.abt.com/product/77295/Samsung-PN64H5000AFXZA.html?utm_source=pepperjam&publisherId=43737&clickId=838067798&sid=1fo3owyp9byag&utm_medium=aff&utm_campaign=43737





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Edited by RandyWalters - 2/9/14 at 5:42pm
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post #46 of 72
http://www.icloudmobilemedia.com/i/238127/72

This is good news and what I was hoping for. I'm not surprised Samsung has seen an increase in plasma sales since Panasonic left either. There is still a significant, albeit relatively small (about 5%), part of the market that wants plasma (or perhaps more specifically doesn't want LCD/LED), and will so long as OLED is 'unperfected' and much more expensive, which will likely be the case for at least couple more years. Samsung is smart to stay in the game, IMO. I can only hope they continue to make incremental improvements each year.
post #47 of 72
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

I've been doing some poking around the web and so far this looks like Samsung's 2014 Plasma lineup:

The 2013 PNF4500 720p series will carry over into 2014

The 2013 PNF5300 1080p series will carry over into 2014

The 2013 PNF8500 1080p series will continue at least through the first half of 2014


The 2013 F5300 and F5500 series appear to be discontinued, not sure though.



New for 2014:

A new PNH7000 series (51", 60", 64"), which (according to a CES article) will be $300-$700 less than the F8500 series, will have reduced smart functionality, and
will lose the Quad Core Processor, voice and gesture recognition, built-in camera, and also lose the premium bezel design of the F8500, but maintain the high contrast picture.

A new 64" PNH5000 model is on the ABT website for pre-order:

http://www.abt.com/product/77295/Samsung-PN64H5000AFXZA.html?utm_source=pepperjam&publisherId=43737&clickId=838067798&sid=1fo3owyp9byag&utm_medium=aff&utm_campaign=43737
So the H5000 serie will be the updated F5000 while H7000 will be a stripped down F8500?
post #48 of 72
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Originally Posted by Commander-Keen View Post

So the H5000 serie will be the updated F5000 while H7000 will be a stripped down F8500?

Perhaps, but we don't really know for sure. I only hope each has been improved.
post #49 of 72
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

I've been doing some poking around the web and so far this looks like Samsung's 2014 Plasma lineup:

The 2013 PNF4500 720p series will carry over into 2014

The 2013 PNF5300 1080p series will carry over into 2014

The 2013 PNF8500 1080p series will continue at least through the first half of 2014


The 2013 F5300 and F5500 series appear to be discontinued, not sure though.



New for 2014:

A new PNH7000 series (51", 60", 64"), which (according to a CES article) will be $300-$700 less than the F8500 series, will have reduced smart functionality, and
will lose the Quad Core Processor, voice and gesture recognition, built-in camera, and also lose the premium bezel design of the F8500, but maintain the high contrast picture.

A new 64" PNH5000 model is on the ABT website for pre-order:

http://www.abt.com/product/77295/Samsung-PN64H5000AFXZA.html?utm_source=pepperjam&publisherId=43737&clickId=838067798&sid=1fo3owyp9byag&utm_medium=aff&utm_campaign=43737

 

Hmm... I realize this is still early info, but if the 51" H7000 is only a fewer hundred less than the F8500, that may put it out of reach of my budget, unless I can get Crazy Gideon to cut me a really sweet deal. :)

 

I'm a little confused by some of your comments above though, Randy. In one place you say the F5300 will carry over to 2014, and in another you say it appears to be discontinued. Can you possibly clarify that a bit more?

post #50 of 72
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post

I'm a little confused by some of your comments above though, Randy. In one place you say the F5300 will carry over to 2014, and in another you say it appears to be discontinued. Can you possibly clarify that a bit more?


Oops, sorry, i made a typo - it was the F5350 that looks like it's discontinued, not he F5300.
post #51 of 72
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post


Oops, sorry, i made a typo - it was the F5350 that looks like it's discontinued, not he F5300.

 

Makes sense (and tks for the clarification). I was chattin with some folks at BB last night, and they also said the 5300 was supposed to be carried over for another year in their system. So it looks like that's a done deal.

 

I looked at the F8500 and the new Sammy OLED with the curved screen at Magnolia as well, and was impressed with the picture on both.

post #52 of 72
for this year, if the new Samsung PNH7000 delivers 35ms of input lag or less i will be giving up my 60" S60 and going for the 60" PH7000.
I am curious though about LED- back light scanning which supposably reduces Blur(but by how much? can it, lets say match up to the S60's?) but takes a hit in brigthness.....Just wondering if the Vizio 4k 'P' series can match or best the S60 in terms of black levels, motion(Using back light scanning and color ect ect.
post #53 of 72
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

for this year, if the new Samsung PNH7000 delivers 35ms of input lag or less i will be giving up my 60" S60 and going for the 60" PH7000.
I am curious though about LED- back light scanning which supposably reduces Blur(but by how much? can it, lets say match up to the S60's?) but takes a hit in brigthness.....Just wondering if the Vizio 4k 'P' series can match or best the S60 in terms of black levels, motion(Using back light scanning and color ect ect.

If we were going to see a h7000, i think it would have been launched at ces. Dont think it's happening. The rather resilient prices of the f8500 makes me think they are going to just comtinue the line-up till the higher margin 4k leds hit stores this summer
post #54 of 72
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

If we were going to see a h7000, i think it would have been launched at ces. Dont think it's happening. The rather resilient prices of the f8500 makes me think they are going to just comtinue the line-up till the higher margin 4k leds hit stores this summer

Well, if this is the case, looks like i might just make the transition to LED(With back light scanning) after all.... curious to see how the Vizio 4k 'P' series stacks up against the S60.
post #55 of 72

Looks like the H5000 will be available by the end of February.  I'm going to take a look at it as the spec's sound just like what I've wanted to see, low priced, great picture and not 3D or smart features.  Here's an H5000 site I found on another forum.

post #56 of 72
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

Well, if this is the case, looks like i might just make the transition to LED(With back light scanning) after all.... curious to see how the Vizio 4k 'P' series stacks up against the S60.

Even if the 'R' series shows up, it will still not be the S60 beater when it comes to PQ.
post #57 of 72
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Originally Posted by KOF View Post

Even if the 'R' series shows up, it will still not be the S60 beater when it comes to PQ.

Explain yourself! tongue.gif

It WILL have the S60 beat by a LAND SLIDE in terms of brightness, pure whites, a cleaner crisper picture(the nature of LED/LCD), less noise, no ABL, no glare.....But the question is, will it be on par with Blacks(I'd imagine pretty close), contrast, color and motion(again pretty close with back light scanning enabled, maybe AS good or slightly better)

There's no way the viewing angle will be as good, that's a no brainer.
Edited by WaveBoy - 2/13/14 at 10:31pm
post #58 of 72
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

Explain yourself! tongue.gif

It WILL have the S60 beat by a LAND SLIDE in terms of brightness, pure whites, a cleaner crisper picture(the nature of LED/LCD), less noise, no ABL, no glare.....But the question is, will it be on par with Blacks(I'd imagine pretty close), contrast, color and motion(again pretty close with back light scanning enabled, maybe AS good or slightly better)

There's no way the viewing angle will be as good, that's a no brainer.

Sure, I will give you an explanation.

The R will definitely trounce the S60 in high ABL materials, that much I do agree. But the sad truth is, without using Dolby Vision, you will never ever use full 800 cd/m2 of brightness because it's overkill. Dolby Vision's greatest merit is allowing contents to dynamically adjust luminance levels within areas, but for contents that are not compatible with Dolby Vision, the brightness will be spread in equal amounts...which is exactly same as what we have for LCDs and no FALD isn't going to help much there. I mean, the Sharp Elite is also capable of luminance output up to 1000 cd/m2 but who would actually watch it like that? The Vizio R will be the Sharp Elite beater, but without Dolby Vision to help, the gap isn't going to be large. Games may have supported HDR much earlier than movies, but without a way to link the content to display, it's not going to be usable. I do believe future PC video card will somehow give support for Dolby Vision, but what about consoles? What about legacy materials? Dolby Vision does rock, but it's not very backward-compatible.

The R may finally be the first LCD that beats plasma's motion performance with PQ to spare. This is important, as Lightboost monitors have crappy PQ. Sony Motionflow Impulse may still have that sucky flickering and even lower 'average' brightness than the S60. Until such a product appears on LCD front, let's just take things with a grain of salt.

Black is the reason why I explicitly said the R won't beat the S60 in overall PQ. People give too much credit to FALD, but FALD has one critical weakness, and that's ANSI contrast crosstalk. Let's say that Vizio R will have dimmed area that will beat any plasma because that area is completely off. That certain "zone" will have "dark" black. But for the lit zones? It WILL be subject to the panel's ANSI contrast ratio and you know well as well as I do that no LCDs has ever conquered plasmas when it comes to ANSI contrast ratio. Not when there are Kuros still around lol.

So the FALD Vizio R will have "dark" black, but it WON'T have "inky" black. This is very important. LCD people give too much importance to complete black, but it's not even black areas that plasmas show its strength, it's actually ALL colors that benefit from ANSI contrast ratio that gives colors "inky" property, NOT just black. Yes, blue, red, green, yellow whatever. The Panasonic S60 displays these colors with deep, inky property. This was something I DID NOT see when I had Sony Bravia which had one of the best ANSI contrast ratio of all LCDs. (I did not see it either when I first tried LG PT350...until I performed the black tweak. Every color became INKY after the tweak it was amazing!) Hell, it's actually the CRT's BIGGEST weakness too. (300:1 anyone? lol) My Sony BVM even has the Kuro beat when it comes to the MLL, but my BVM will never ever give off that inky colors like the Kuro does!

And the Vizio R will absolutely fail when it comes to ANSI contrast ratio. Because frankly, AUO panels truly blow. Ever wondered why those Samsung LCD owners dread ever owning a Chimei or AUO panel? Because compared to Samsung-Sony S-LCD, they suck. I've seen these cases myself too. The S-LCD will always be the finest among the Samsung/Sony LCDs with Sharp panels being distant second and those Taiwanese panels at the bottom of the barrel. If you think they were ever good, don't you think those Samsung LCD owners won't even care about Samsung's infamous panel lottery?

If I wanted to play Resident Evil, are you going to still say the R will blow away the S60? I think not.
post #59 of 72
So the H7000 will be coming on August. Please downgrade that dumb Smart TV processor so I can actually game on one. This will be the most painful waiting.
post #60 of 72
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Originally Posted by KOF View Post

So the H7000 will be coming on August.

 

Source?

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