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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
After changing my mind on nearly every topic...I am ready to start my build.
My family closed on our house and I've been busy getting settled for the last few weeks.
I have approx 800 sqft to utilize, at my discretion, to be used for a Family entertainment area/Man Cave. The space is set up in an r shape, kinda like an upside down L.

The projector used is a Sony HW50.
After projecting a 120" image onto the wall, my wife told me it wasn't big enough. I am trying to stay under 135" because of a soffit, but we might end up right around that size.
The projector will be used primarily for gaming and sports watching. Bluray will be a distant third. There HAS to be consideration given to viewing with the lights on for football parties/entertaining.
At 14 feet I can get 120" without maxing the zoom. I'll need to move it back, not sure how far yet, to get to 135".

The walls are exposed brick all around. The floors poured concrete. I am planning on framing/drywalling the top r section but leaving the wall to the left. Its likely that I will have the board painted before the drywall goes up. so looking into a way to hang the sintra on brick, later to move it to drywall.

I have lined up a 3mm 60x120 Sintra board locally for $64.84 plus $10 cut fee and $7.50 processing. I am working on obtaining materials to spray the sintra with.

Will post pics of the space in a build thread separately. Will of course post screenshots when the screen is complete and through the DIY process.

Any questions? Just ask.
MM what are your suggestions for my paint mix given the details above?
post #2 of 12
First off, I do not suggest you use 3mm Sintra. It is very floppy, and easily transmits any irregularity beneath it, be it wall texture, adhesive, lumps, bumps and boo boos.

I know it's tempting due to price, but unless you have a perfect wall, and use a brush-on adhesive, it probably won't end well. 6mm is the "go to". Ask your supplier if he has any similar "Sign Board" material (Komatex, etc)

Screen size-wise, using a 60" x 120" sheet of something, the biggest 16:9 image you can get is 122" diagonal (60" x 107")

I suggest that with the VPL-HW50ES that you mount the unit at 13' for maximum lumen / foot lambert performance, and use a Silver Fire v2.5 4.0

Hanging the Sintra before Drywall (painting it elsewhere) is up is not a great idea. Painting the board in place is the ticket, even if you must mask off the walls / overhead ceiling in thin plastic (...like most do anyway...)

Besides having to worry about the logistics of creating a good place elsewhere to paint, the Sintra would need a Frame. If you used 3mm, it would have to be a substantial frame and even then you might see impressions of the framing transfer though. Not so with 6mm. And...when you move the screen, you must guard against smudges and such (...or worse...) and of course, if hung temporarily on Brick, "IF" the Face of the Brick work is level, you'd best be suited for the use of a diagonally ripped 1 x 8 to create a French Cleat held on the wall with Mortar Anchors.

Lastly, if you wait until Drywall, you can please the Wife with a 135"er (66" x 118") by painting onto Drywall. Or....purchase a bolt of Flexi-White Material from Carl @ Carlofet, http://www.carlofet.com/projector-screen-material/flexiwhite-projector-screen-raw-material.html .....as it can be stretched onto a much more easily made frame, one that is far more lightweight, easily hung, and receives a painted coating every bit as easily and well as Sintra. Ask for it to be shipped on a Roll...and tell him you off AVS.

As I see it, if you hasten...your going to make much more work for yourself. Reconsider your options as far as timing. Everything else is looking good though.
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the heads up. I'll call the sintra dealer and place an order on hold.

Honestly...I am trying to come up with the best plan to NOT put drywall up. On top of the savings in cost...I actually like the brick. If I went with the flexi-white I could attach that to a frame and just hang on the brick using the cleat method you suggested right?
post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by Conspiracy* View Post

Thanks for the heads up. I'll call the sintra dealer and place an order on hold.

Honestly...I am trying to come up with the best plan to NOT put drywall up. On top of the savings in cost...I actually like the brick. If I went with the flexi-white I could attach that to a frame and just hang on the brick using the cleat method you suggested right?

Right, and fairly easily too.
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
I'll look into that method. Thanks
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
I am ready to order the material from Carls, however I see another option to the flexi-white. The flexi-white says best for tensioned screens...I will mount to a frame so it will be tensioned. However there is a more rigid version called Pro-White. Has anyone used this version? The reason I ask is because the "better version" would actually save me a few bucks.
post #7 of 12
I have, and it's unsuitable as far as any comparison with Flexi simply due to the fact it has a higher degree of unwanted texture.

That, combined with it's more difficult to deal with lack if any stretch at all makes it a much less applicable choice AFAIC.

But then again, WDINAN. smile.gif
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
I figured as much on the prowhite. I'll be placing my order today. I have all but decided to keep the brick walls and go with the cleat method. Would you recommend using a 2x2 for the frame since I'll have to cut a cleat? I'm no good with visual software, what I am visualizing is that I'd create my frame with 2x2's then directly under the top crossbeam of the frame attach another ripped 2x2 used for the cleat with one half being on the frame and the other half being on the wall.
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Carls got my order to me in just two days!

I now have 5 1x4's 10 feet long, 4 L brackets, 2 T brackets, screws, 69x122 Flexiwhite remnant rolled on a tube, and a table saw waiting for me in the garage.

Having a heck of a time deciding what size I want to go with for the screen. I have enough material to go up to 130' but that doesnt leave much room on the top or bottom of my screen for the center channel. Coming from 106" I should be happy with 120 but again...my wife thinks 130 is too small. Honestly I dont know what shes looking for.
post #10 of 12
Subbed, I am also going with the flex-white, and painting it.
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by Conspiracy* View Post

Carls got my order to me in just two days!

Yeah...since I paid him a visit, and experimented with coating the Flexi-White (...I passed on the Pro White, too much texture and too stiff to stretch...) he's gung ho about supplying DIY'ers who want to paint on his Cloths. He wants to please, so that's always all good.
in the garage.
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Having a heck of a time deciding what size I want to go with for the screen. I have enough material to go up to 130' but that doesnt leave much room on the top or bottom of my screen for the center channel. Coming from 106" I should be happy with 120 but again...my wife thinks 130 is too small. Honestly I dont know what shes looking for.

She wants BIG...so let her have it! Settle in on 130", or just as big as you can go and still place the speaker. If the speaker is a Cabinet style Center, you should consider placing it up high and angled downward. In Wall? Down low. Or up high, and set into a built out wedge.
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

She wants BIG...so let her have it! Settle in on 130", or just as big as you can go and still place the speaker. If the speaker is a Cabinet style Center, you should consider placing it up high and angled downward. In Wall? Down low. Or up high, and set into a built out wedge.

I have 69x122 to play with. I am planning on building the frame that I can attach the border directly to it. To give me the 64' of viewing space needed vertically my frame would be 71' tall. I don't think I'll be able to stretch 2' of cloth, leaving the screen not fully stretched over the edges of the frame but stapled to the face. Any issues with that?

My center when laid flat rolls, I have two wedges that will allow me to angle it as needed. I'd probably place above the screen.

I taped off the screen if 130 on my wall. I'll post a picture later tonight.
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