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Help narrow down choice between paradigm, monitor audio, wave crest, cambridge etc..

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Can you help me narrow down my choices further, Front L/R bookshelf, Centre, Subwoofer, and preliminary looks into an avr. Going to run a 3.1 setup for now.

BookShelf
Paradigm
-Mini monitor
-Studio10
Monitor Audio
-Bronze
-MR1
-MR2
Wave Crest Audio
-HLV1
Cambridge
-S30

Centre

Paradigm
-Centre 1
Monitor Audio
-Bronze
-MR

Subwoofer

Paradigm
-Pdr1000
Velodyne
-EQ Max 10
Monitor Audio
Bronze 10”

Haven’t decided on an avr yet. Been looking at Pioneer Vsx42 and Denon 1613 so far. Any Suggestions ?
post #2 of 23
If your front three speakers should timbre match. That typically means buying the center from the same make/model series as the front left and right.

While I think the Wave Crest Audio and Cambridge Audio speakers are excellent values for their price, if you are looking at Paradigm Mini Monitors (given how much they cost), you might want to eliminate those other two and add Arx, HSU, and Ascend Acoustics speakers to your list.

Best deals on subwoofers typically come from Internet direct subwoofer manufacturers: SVS Audio, HSU Research, Rythmik Audio, Power Sound Audio, and Outlaw Audio.

How much (how big) a sub you need depends on your room size. How big is your room?
post #3 of 23
Well... Lucky for you I have Monitor Audio speakers, I have Cambridge Audio S30 speakers, and I have Paradigm Speakers on the way!

Right now, I can tell you that Monitor is one of my favorite speaker companies in the world but I think it is very difficult to beat the S30 speakers. If you get the Monitor audio speakers you can get a timbre matched center for a pretty low cost (on eBay). If you do go MA please try to get Bronze over MR smile.gif

Ironically I have my Cambridge S30's on a Denon 1713 and they sound great together. (I'd recommend Denon over Pioneer for a lot of reasons but the best reason is user friendliness). That small combo beat my entire 5.1 Infinity Primus setup.

Oh yeah! Almost forgot the sub. Don't buy any of those. Get an SVS PB1000 or SB1000 depending on if you listen to movies or music more.
post #4 of 23
A noble quest.

How much is your budget, what will you be listening to (music, HT, video games) and what is your room configuration and size?

I am on a similar quest for reasonably high end bookshelf speakers. My baseline is the B&W 805D which is about $5000 a pair.

KEF has a bookshelf in their reference line called the 201/2 which runs about $6000 a pair. I would add B&W and KEF to your list of bookshelf speakers to consider. You should also consider Focal and Revel in addition to Paradigm and Monitor Audio.

I have recently expereinced KEF's R series speakers. They were terrific. If you are sticking with the bookshelf speakers you can also consider the R300 system (5.1 system at $6800 from KEF direct).

KEF also has a line of speakers called LS50 ($1500 a pair). The reviews have been very good. 5 of the LS50's would be great if you are short on space, but have high sound quality goals and a bit of cash.

There are lots of AVR options. I would think that Denon AVR X-4000 ($1300 MSRP) would be more than sufficient on power front and room correction. This model has the top of the line room correction Audyssey XT-32. Marantz (a sister company of Denon) also has the SR line and is worth considering depending on what your needs are. The top of the line SR 7008 runs about $2000. There are numerous models below that.

For every speaker / receiver noted above there are probably 10 other that are worth considering. I would try to listen to as many as you can as quick as you can to get a base line. You can then narrow down the list, determine what your real needs are and then come back to the forum with your thoughts and observations.

Good luck.
post #5 of 23
I second Deeda's thoughts on KEF. I love them. I don't know why but their old iq series were some of the coolest looking speakers I'd ever seen. Their reference series are incredibly robust. They are significantly more expensive than any of the speakers you listed in your ideas though.

Price would be and awesome thing to know!
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by Valtyr View Post

I second Deeda's thoughts on KEF. I love them. I don't know why but their old iq series were some of the coolest looking speakers I'd ever seen. Their reference series are incredibly robust. They are significantly more expensive than any of the speakers you listed in your ideas though.

Price would be and awesome thing to know!

I don't understand Deeda's suggestions about Kef or the rest of the post. All the speakers he talked about above are several times more, even over ten times more, than the speakers the OP has listed above. LOL
post #7 of 23
Well, I agree that they're way different but I think the Q300 or Q100's would be pretty nice and in that price range. No?
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by Valtyr View Post

Well, I agree that they're way different but I think the Q300 or Q100's would be pretty nice and in that price range. No?

Sure. But those weren't mentioned. smile.gif
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I don't understand Deeda's suggestions about Kef or the rest of the post. All the speakers he talked about above are several times more, even over ten times more, than the speakers the OP has listed above. LOL

cel4145 has a good point. The OP did not include a budget, but the speakers he referenced do provide some indication.

The KEF Q100 is $550 a pair and Q300 is 650 a pair. The Q200C is $450. So for the LCR it would be about $1000. Add an internet direct sub like the ones noted above and you would have a pretty good set up. If you have more money to spend, the OP can go for the R series.

A note about the Q series.

Each Q Series model features the following engineering elements learned from the Concept Blade Project:
- A newly engineered Uni-Q driver (size dependent on model)
- Brand new bass drivers featuring rigid new aluminium cone technology
- 30% more cabinet space for increased bass performance
- Newly engineered, gold plated bi-wire terminals
- Paper wood veneer available in three finish options

The most important innovation in KEF is the Uni-Q drivers. These may be worth reading about. I think that KEF has been able to offer some fairly advanced technology in these speakers for a pretty good value. Better bang for the buck than B&W for instance.

I concede that KEF is a more expensive brand than most, but Paradigm and Monitor Audio are equally top notch (fairly expensive) companies.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by deeda View Post


I concede that KEF is a more expensive brand than most, but Paradigm and Monitor Audio are equally top notch (fairly expensive) companies.


I can’t say I totally agree with that statement. Although to some, Monitor Audio may seem ‘fairly expensive’ dollar wise, to me, the price is extremely low compared to the quality you get.

Just my opinion, but they are the best bang for the buck, just like getting a sub from an Internet Direct company.

I have the bookshelf/sub combo for movies viewing, which are Monitor Audio and SVS subs. I feel the audio quality should have cost twice or three times the amount I paid(Although I gotten great deals smile.gif )


I’m not trying to dispute or cause a confrontation with anyone, but more or less yelling how much I love Monitor Audio…

I’m damn near a fanboi of Monitor Audio/SVS. tongue.gif
post #11 of 23
I agree! I wouldn't trade my Monitor Audio's for anything. At $400 for the pair of RS6's there just really isn't anything up to $1500 I'd be interested in more than what I have.
post #12 of 23
1+ to cel4145 post #2
post #13 of 23
Thread Starter 
First of all thank you to all that replied. Your responses were all very helpful. I have narrowed it down even further, and will just have to hear them in person, to see which I prefer.


Bookshelf


Paradigm
-Mini Monitors
-Centre 1

or

Monitor Audio
-Bronze BX2
-Bronze BX Centre


AVR

Denon 1613

Subwoofer

SVS PB1000
SVS SB1000
HSU STF-1
HSU STF-2
Bic F12
post #14 of 23
If you can, best to hear the MA and Paradigm speakers. Your listening preferences will be the determining factor.

The SVS subs are undoubtedly the best of that list. Unless you need the small size of the SB-1000, get the PB-1000. It has more maximum output and better low range extension. Sound and Vision thought it was the best<$500 sub: http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2013/04/19/review-svs-pb-1000-subwoofer
post #15 of 23
John, please remove the F12 from that list. It is the worst subwoofer I've ever heard. SO bad.
I agree with cel4145 (as I have been a lot lately) PB1000 is the best on your list in my opinion. I love the SB but you will have a different setup and the PB is more geared towards the mass market of subwoofers.

I would still recommend MA but you will not hear me complain if you go Paradigm. Both are two of my favorites!
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 
So I ended up choosing the Paradigm Mini Monitors & Centre 1 along with a Denon avrx1000.

Know I just have to pick the subwoofer. I don't want something that's overly loud, that rattles, and shakes the whole house, and disturbs the neighbours lol.
Would you still recommend the SVS PB1000 or SVS SB1000 ? Or would I be better off going with a cheaper sub (example paradigm cinema sub), since I won't be using either svs sub to there full potential ?
post #17 of 23
What's your room size? The SB-1000 is good in smaller rooms; the PB-1000 is better for larger rooms.

A cheaper sub isn't maybe going to shake the house less. It'll just sound worse when it does it. wink.gif And you can always turn the sub down via the sub channel level on the receiver if you feel it is too much. I also think that these two subs are a good SQ match for your speakers. They should blend very well once you run Audyssey room correction on the receiver. Of the two, the SB-1000 will have a little better SQ; the PB-1000 will have more max output and extend a little deeper in frequency response (a plus for movie watching).

Speaking the amount of bass, Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume can help with listening to your system late at night to keep the bass down a little. Check out your receiver manual once you get it so you can learn how to use those features.
post #18 of 23
John - I'd recommend the SB1000 if you want a quieter sub. I love mine and it is very very good!
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
Room size is 21 foot length x 17 foot width.

Thanks cel4145 and Valtyr you have both been extremely helpful.
Edited by john123321 - 8/23/13 at 12:51am
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by john123321 View Post

Room size is 21 foot length x 17 foot width.

Thanks cel4145 and Valtyr you have bought been extremely helpful.

With that size room, definitely the PB-1000. That's a pretty big space, a probably little big for the PB-1000.
post #21 of 23
Mine is 16' X 27' X 8' and I know the SB1000 is underpowered. I have it 3 clicks from loudest on the AVR and about 75% on the actual sub and it fills the room nicely.

I will tell you though, I am replacing it so it can go back to my room with the S30's. Ironically I am going to replace it with 2x PB1000's.
post #22 of 23
Have you looked at the Rythmik LV12R sub? It's $589, not too much more than the PB or SB-1000. From things I have read about Rythmik, a lot of people seem to like them. Not sure about shipping costs to Canada though, so you might want to check with them if you are interested. www.rythmikaudio.com
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by darkpoet25 View Post

Have you looked at the Rythmik LV12R sub? It's $589, not too much more than the PB or SB-1000. From things I have read about Rythmik, a lot of people seem to like them. Not sure about shipping costs to Canada though, so you might want to check with them if you are interested. www.rythmikaudio.com

I've wondered if those have significantly more output than the PB-1000? SVS has told people that the PB-1000 is only -3db less in output than the PB12-NSD. So might not be that much more volume. I'd love to see CEA 2010 figures for PB-1000 and LV12R smile.gif
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