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post #31 of 68
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Is there anyone in Los Angeles, that knows something?
PM me. There is no way I can wait until November 12th. Please. smile.gif

You want to buy or see?
post #32 of 68
Hopefully pick this up tomorrow, looking forward to it.
post #33 of 68
my futureshop steelbook is waiting for me! cool.gif

post #34 of 68
I picked it up today and just got done watching it.

I suggest if you haven't seen it or even if you did pick this one up. Not for nothing a Reference disc you will have.

I actually Enjoyed this movie in the Theater and even more at home.
post #35 of 68
It's definitely a demo-worthy disc and features some gloriously awesome scenes in addition to the score (which is the best part of the whole movie). The only downside is the overactive jump cuts, zooms, and shaky/wobble cam. It's worse than Bay. I'm thinking of running it through image stabilization in AE to make my own No Barf Edition.
post #36 of 68
The inability to put the camera on a tripod when actors were just talking was infuriating. It continually annoyed me, which meant I was constantly pulled out of the film.
post #37 of 68
Agreed.

Watched part of it last night and the "verite" camera wobbling was quite distracting and felt unnecessary for the most part.
post #38 of 68
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

The only downside is the overactive jump cuts, zooms, and shaky/wobble cam. It's worse than Bay. I'm thinking of running it through image stabilization in AE to make my own No Barf Edition.
Any worse than Bourne Ultimatum?
post #39 of 68
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Any worse than Bourne Ultimatum?

Kinda like asking if I prefer horse flatulence to elephant flatulence. Since I haven't watched BU in a few years, I can't say for certain, but MOS fortunately has many more wide shots than BU. What I can tell you is that all of the scenes designed for 3-D have a focus problems, so my brain has to work doubletime to try to focus on things that are inherently out of focus. The scene where
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Jor El is telling Kal about the history of their people on board the spaceship and they use that liquid metal storyboard thing

causes a physical reaction - in the theater or at home. I have to look away every time because it's so bad. It's like a combination of stutter and focus problems all in one. The only other time I've experienced it is The Hobbit on some of the panning shots. My wife cringed too, so maybe we're just hyper-sensitive.
post #40 of 68
Anyone find the dialogue mix a bit off in the scene with Clark and his dad talking in the truck prior to the tornado hitting? Aside from that, I thought the audio was tremendous, but that scene left me scratching my head.
post #41 of 68
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

The inability to put the camera on a tripod when actors were just talking was infuriating. It continually annoyed me, which meant I was constantly pulled out of the film.
Strangely, I didn't really notice this theatrically, yet it stuck out like a sore thumb when viewing at home.

It left the impression of the camera being pulled by an invisible force off-screen and trying to fight it.
post #42 of 68
I loved the score to the film! Especially the first scenes on Krypton
post #43 of 68
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

I loved the score to the film! Especially the first scenes on Krypton

Agreed. Wish they had an isolated score track in lossless ala Inception and Oblivion.
post #44 of 68
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Agreed. Wish they had an isolated score track in lossless ala Inception and Oblivion.

I really only got the BD to watch the Krypton scenes lol
post #45 of 68
I bought it, decided to watch it via OnDemand first, and then decided that I may want to return the Blu-Ray. It just wasn't my cup of tea and I think I'm too attached to the Donner Superman that I grew up with.
post #46 of 68
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Originally Posted by LexInVA View Post

I bought it, decided to watch it via OnDemand first, and then decided that I may want to return the Blu-Ray. It just wasn't my cup of tea and I think I'm too attached to the Donner Superman that I grew up with.

With so many folks expressing attachment to the Donner films, I have to wonder why the love-letter/continuation SUPERMAN RETURNS wasn't a bigger smash. Personally, I don't miss Otis or Miss Teschmacher. (sic)
post #47 of 68
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With so many folks expressing attachment to the Donner films, I have to wonder why the love-letter/continuation SUPERMAN RETURNS wasn't a bigger smash. Personally, I don't miss Otis or Miss Teschmacher. (sic)

Because the plot was stupid, and the love child was stupid, and etc.. It was just a stupid movie all around. I did like Kevin Spacey as Lex and felt his performance was wasted by a really bad script and no sense of direction for the film. If it had a stronger story I think we might have seen that cast continued. As it is we definitely got the better movie with MoS.
post #48 of 68
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Originally Posted by LexInVA View Post

I bought it, decided to watch it via OnDemand first, and then decided that I may want to return the Blu-Ray. It just wasn't my cup of tea and I think I'm too attached to the Donner Superman that I grew up with.

With so many folks expressing attachment to the Donner films, I have to wonder why the love-letter/continuation SUPERMAN RETURNS wasn't a bigger smash. Personally, I don't miss Otis or Miss Teschmacher. (sic)
Continuing the Donner films was the right idea, unfortunately Superman Returns went about it all wrong. A villain other than Lex Luthor should have been used in Superman Returns and some of the goofy ideas (Superman as deadbeat father and stalker) had no place in a blockbuster motion picture.

As much as I disagree with the overall tone for Man of Steel, it works far better as a summer action blockbuster. The only thing I would have changed in the script was to remove Lois from some of the key moments she inexplicably shows up in and Clark refusing to save his father from the tornado.
post #49 of 68
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The only thing I would have changed in the script was to remove Lois from some of the key moments she inexplicably shows up in and Clark refusing to save his father from the tornado.

I did not look at it as a "refusal"...he did start to do something but was stopped by Jonathon. I took it more as him honoring his father's wishes (also harkening back to the "Should I have let them die?" "Maybe").
Clark opted to listen to his father. Not what most of us would have done, but this is an unsure Clark who does not yet know who he is. Of course, what is lost is the "With all my powers I couldn't save him" aspect, which we first heard, not from Chris Reeve but from George Reeves in the TV series! But those were different animals and I'm all aboard with this current incarnation of Superman. (but NOT with Jenny Olsen...pul-leeze!)
post #50 of 68
Let's face it, when you take away Superman's boyscout idealism and charm, you don't get a good Superman movie. There are other ways to ruin it, but that one is key. If they had at least TRIED to make Kal care about the destruction around him and make concerted efforts to save more people, it would have helped. Also, making Pa Kent such a wishy-washy douchebag didn't help. SMH
post #51 of 68
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Let's face it, when you take away Superman's boyscout idealism and charm, you don't get a good Superman movie. There are other ways to ruin it, but that one is key. If they had at least TRIED to make Kal care about the destruction around him and make concerted efforts to save more people, it would have helped. Also, making Pa Kent such a wishy-washy douchebag didn't help. SMH

Considering that this was his FIRST time out, and the first time he really had to use his powers, it would be too soon for him to be like that. PARTICULARLY when someone threatens his mother! It's always possible he may become more like the old-time Superman from decades past that some say they miss in the future (perhaps his encounter with The Batman will serve to make him more of that "boy scout")..
post #52 of 68
How can you protect other people when you are getting your *** kicked by several people bent on your destruction?
post #53 of 68
Supes generally always found a way.
post #54 of 68
Thread Starter 
Awesome movie, great bluray.
post #55 of 68
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How can you protect other people when you are getting your *** kicked by several people bent on your destruction?

Supe just ignore the humans along his way since it's protecting himself or everyone on Earth is dead. Simple answer, Supe has to protect himself first. If the entire building full of people is crashing down, there is simply not possible for Supe to rescue all of them. At least Supe didn't directly kill any of the humans to feel bad about himself like when he had to kill Zod (because Supe doesn't have anyone from his home planet left to see who's is still the Man on every weekend match.)
post #56 of 68
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Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

With so many folks expressing attachment to the Donner films, I have to wonder why the love-letter/continuation SUPERMAN RETURNS wasn't a bigger smash. Personally, I don't miss Otis or Miss Teschmacher. (sic)

Superman Returns failed because it just wasn't done well and because Bryan Singer basically wrote the movie. It was just a misfire. Kinda like a Bizarro version of the Donner films. The story had some potential but it was too mired down in bad writing and bad decision-making. There should have been more action, Lex Luthor should have been in the background as an ominous threat, and Kate Bosworth really had no business being in that movie.
post #57 of 68
I felt that the movie should have been broken up into a 3 movie system, much like the Nolan Batman trilogy. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Movie 1 could focus on Krypton, Zod background, the Krypton battle, Superma landing on earth, childhood, discovering his powers, adulthood, and then ending when he discovered the large spaceship - sees his father/Krypton blows up and we know that the prisoners are free.

Movie 2 could focus on Superman continuing to hone his powers, build up the lover interest with Lois, have Supe discover more about Zod and his homeland, have Zod go free and discover the world engine, end with "You are not alone" - with Supe getting "arrested".

Movie 3 would be the big battle, fighting against then fighting with the humans, showing him saving (and actually caring) about humans, engage in battle with the Zod crew, destroy World engine, destroy Zod - we now finally have our "Man of Steel"

Trying to cram all of that into a single movie just proved confusing, jumpy, and bizarre. It felt like there were hours left on the editors floor, since some of the gaps were incredibly bizarre. Here's to hoping there is a 2.5/3 hour edit that will eventually come out in the future.

-JR
post #58 of 68
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Originally Posted by JuiceRocket View Post

I felt that the movie should have been broken up into a 3 movie system, much like the Nolan Batman trilogy. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Movie 1 could focus on Krypton, Zod background, the Krypton battle, Superma landing on earth, childhood, discovering his powers, adulthood, and then ending when he discovered the large spaceship - sees his father/Krypton blows up and we know that the prisoners are free.

Movie 2 could focus on Superman continuing to hone his powers, build up the lover interest with Lois, have Supe discover more about Zod and his homeland, have Zod go free and discover the world engine, end with "You are not alone" - with Supe getting "arrested".

Movie 3 would be the big battle, fighting against then fighting with the humans, showing him saving (and actually caring) about humans, engage in battle with the Zod crew, destroy World engine, destroy Zod - we now finally have our "Man of Steel"

Trying to cram all of that into a single movie just proved confusing, jumpy, and bizarre. It felt like there were hours left on the editors floor, since some of the gaps were incredibly bizarre. Here's to hoping there is a 2.5/3 hour edit that will eventually come out in the future.

-JR

That only works if it's made for TV movies. For theater, how do you get general audience to care about wanting "Movie 1"? And then for the other audiences who only care about actions, they will be bored in Movie 1 and 2. At least MoS was more than 2 hours long without "Clark Kent as reporter" and the non-linear presentation gives the movie to move quicker. Then again, Smallville took 10 years to kick Clark into flying.
post #59 of 68
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Originally Posted by JuiceRocket View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Movie 1 could focus on Krypton, Zod background, the Krypton battle, Superma landing on earth, childhood, discovering his powers, adulthood, and then ending when he discovered the large spaceship - sees his father/Krypton blows up and we know that the prisoners are free.

Movie 2 could focus on Superman continuing to hone his powers, build up the lover interest with Lois, have Supe discover more about Zod and his homeland, have Zod go free and discover the world engine, end with "You are not alone" - with Supe getting "arrested".

Movie 3 would be the big battle, fighting against then fighting with the humans, showing him saving (and actually caring) about humans, engage in battle with the Zod crew, destroy World engine, destroy Zod - we now finally have our "Man of Steel"

I suggest you to read a book about screenwriting, because your ideas for movies are almost anti-storytelling smile.gif
post #60 of 68
We probably didn't need another origin story for Superman but I think Nolan wanted to emulate his success with Batman Begins. But since they changed so much from Superman's standard origin I think they felt it necessary to retell the origin to build this world up.
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