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post #481 of 679
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

I bought it from Amazon and I fell victim to the Amazon policy of selling returned items as new.


If you call Amazon they will ship you a new TiVo via the next fastest delivery method (to what you originally used) and provide you with a return label for the "used" one.

post #482 of 679
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

Could someone please let me know how the tuner in the OTA Roamio compares/performs to the Pioneer Kuro 9G Tuner (ability to receive distant or weaker stations etc.)?

Thanks

As I said above, the best I can tell the Roamio tuner is equal to the tuners in the DTVPal DVR, my Sony TV and also the MyGoTV. I believe these tuners are as good as they get. If you're trying to receive some very weak stations then you need to maximize your antennas and use a preamp. The preamp will set the system noise figure and the noise figure (sensitivity) of the tuner will be irrelevant.
post #483 of 679
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post


If you call Amazon they will ship you a new TiVo via the next fastest delivery method (to what you originally used) and provide you with a return label for the "used" one.

I've decided to keep it since it seems to be working fine once I got past the initial setup issues. This is something I'm going to watch more closely in the future though.
post #484 of 679
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

TiVo Roamio - Early Observations


I have not been able to figure out how to just enter a channel number and have it tune there. It's possible to enter some numbers and the box tunes to the station but many times it says it "Can't Tune to the Station." The only way I can get to the station is to select it from the guide. I hope I'm doing something wrong as it seems being able to enter a channel number is a pretty basic function.

To manually tune to a station you have to enter the virtual numbers..such as 10.1. You do it by entering 10 then hitting the skip key... it right above the green D key...then 1. The reason is that when you enter "10" by itself the tivo tunes to RF 10...some stations broadcast on the same RF channel as the virtual channel, but most don't.
post #485 of 679
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

TiVo Roamio - Early Observations
I have not been able to figure out how to just enter a channel number and have it tune there. It's possible to enter some numbers and the box tunes to the station but many times it says it "Can't Tune to the Station." The only way I can get to the station is to select it from the guide. I hope I'm doing something wrong as it seems being able to enter a channel number is a pretty basic function.

I don't know what the Roamio remote looks like. This is a picture of the Premier remote. When entering OTA channel numbers on the Premier you use the "Skip Fwd Button" to enter the decimal... i..e channel 4.1 is entered as "4-SkipFwd-1".

post #486 of 679
Thank-you both for the tip. I was wondering where the "-" button was. Sometimes the simplest thing can be elusive when you're used to doing it different way.

I crawled under the house today and installed an ethernet cable for the Roamio.
post #487 of 679
There is a dash, right above the button, on the ROamio remotes. The same as it's been on the older TiVo remotes.
post #488 of 679
Greetings

I am considering buying a Romanio for use with Comcast service: years ago I had several cable card devices (the original one way cards) and had lots of trouble and poor support from Comcast...

two questions:

--can someone comment on fan noise on the new Tivo? that concerns me a bit

-- is the Cablecard/ Tivo improved as far as operation on a Comcast platform?

TIA

Mark
post #489 of 679
IN Some areas with Comcast, the TiVos have access to the Comcast VOD. If you are in one of those areas, then that is another plus for the Roamio.
post #490 of 679
^^^

Thanks: I do have access to Comcast VOD
post #491 of 679
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

--can someone comment on fan noise on the new Tivo? that concerns me a bit
If you are in the market for only 4 tuners, the Roamio Basic is whisper quiet. It uses an external power supply and although I believe there is a fan inside it is very small and only blowing on the HDD.
post #492 of 679
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

Greetings

I am considering buying a Romanio for use with Comcast service: years ago I had several cable card devices (the original one way cards) and had lots of trouble and poor support from Comcast...

two questions:

--can someone comment on fan noise on the new Tivo? that concerns me a bit

-- is the Cablecard/ Tivo improved as far as operation on a Comcast platform?

TIA

Mark

If you are on a Cisco/SA platform you will have problems using the 5th and 6th tuner on the Roamio Plus/Pro. There is a whole thread over at TCF about this, The Cisco/SA CableCards need a firmware update to fix this issue.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=507973

If you are on a Motorola system Read some of the information in this thread to acquire the right CableCard. I am not certain this applies to Comcast but I know it applies to Verizon Fios.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=507823

I can not comment on the Roamio fan noise as I have Premiere 4s but sometimes I can hear the fan running if the room is very quite.
post #493 of 679
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

As I said above, the best I can tell the Roamio tuner is equal to the tuners in the DTVPal DVR, my Sony TV and also the MyGoTV. I believe these tuners are as good as they get. If you're trying to receive some very weak stations then you need to maximize your antennas and use a preamp. The preamp will set the system noise figure and the noise figure (sensitivity) of the tuner will be irrelevant.

My experience is that the Roamio tuners are still rather poor with respect to multipath compared to either my Sony XBR or Samsung LED tuners. My older Premiere was no different.
post #494 of 679
^^^

thanks

present platform is Cisco/ SA

I do not need RF tuner: 4 cable tuners would be fine: and I can add an external HD for more memory

seems like the basic unit might be a good idea
post #495 of 679
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

^^^

thanks

present platform is Cisco/ SA

I do not need RF tuner: 4 cable tuners would be fine: and I can add an external HD for more memory

seems like the basic unit might be a good idea

You can swap out the 500GB drive in the Roamio Basic for a 3TB Drive. I have done this and it is very easy. There are links to instructions earlier in the thread.

I used a WD30EURSSP. This is an A/V drive rated for 24/7 operation and costs around $150.

The stub loader is contained on the Roamio Boot Rom so a bare drive works. Previous TiVo models required a drive that already had dome code on it.
post #496 of 679
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

Greetings

I am considering buying a Romanio for use with Comcast service: years ago I had several cable card devices (the original one way cards) and had lots of trouble and poor support from Comcast...

two questions:

--can someone comment on fan noise on the new Tivo? that concerns me a bit

-- is the Cablecard/ Tivo improved as far as operation on a Comcast platform?

TIA

Mark

The Comcast experience with cable cards is worlds better than it used to be.  In the old days you would call to schedule an appointment, and then several days later someone would show up who knew less about Tivo and cable cards than the user does.  Then, if he/she was lucky, after making a number of phone calls, they'd get it working.

In Northern VA, you can now stop by the Comcast office and pick up the cable card in person.  You go home, install the card, call the number where a person who knows what they're doing gets you up and running is 5 minutes, or less.  Comcast (at least in my area) has come a long way in getting cable cards and Tivo working well.

post #497 of 679
^^^

I was pleasantly surprised with Comcast when I called:

they reserved an M card for me to pick up at local office and the CSR knew enough to ask me the Tivo model number to be sure I get the correct card: yes this is a big change from the old Cable card days smile.gif
post #498 of 679
I ran some more tests for sensitivity and multipath handling of the Roamio versus my Sony KDL-55HX800. Past tests have shown that the Sony is within a few tenths of a dB of the tuners in three other devices.

I have an antenna mounted preamp which normally sets the noise figure of the system so you can't test the sensitivity of the tuner by just tuning to a weak station. But if you add a large amount of attenuation after the preamp and tune to a strong station, the 2nd stage noise figure (the tuner) dominates and you can test the tuner. I have several stations that have 30-40 dB noise margins. Using a JFW 1 dB step attenuator I lowered the SNR as read on the Sony to around 15 dB so the picture was pixelating. In all cases the Roamio required about 0.5 dB more signal to produce the same picture as the Sony.

All I could do for multipath was to use stations I know have an issue with it. All my local stations require that my antennas be pointed right at the stations for the highest SNR. Turning the antennas drops the main path signal and multipath quickly overwhelms that signal and causes the stations to drop out even though the signal measured on a spectrum analyzer is plenty strong. I carefully positioned the antenna to produce an SNR of around 15 dB on the Sony to make the picture pixelate. In every case the Roamio was able to produce a solid picture when the Sony was beginning to pixelate. It appeared to be able to handle about 0.5 dB more multipath.

Neither of these numbers are very large but 0.5 dB greater tolerance to multipath will help when the signal is teetering on the digital cliff. Most users would never notice.

Although I remain open to the possibility that there is a tuner out there that has significantly better multipath performance or sensitivity than the 6 I have tested, I'm doubtful it exists. If someone has run some sort of controlled tests and found a better one I'd like to know about it.
post #499 of 679
I bought the PRO unit and the fan noise is not an issue at all

I picked up an M card at Comcast: on the Tivo screen it says it sees a one way device but Comcast said not a concern ( PowerKey PKM800)

activated the card, activated TIVO service (the box still says Tivo service not activated but Tivo said it may take a few hours)

so far so good...PQ looks good
post #500 of 679
OK all is good except:

some channels at some times do not appear: it says not authorized: they work OK on my RNG150 boxes

if I change channels and come back, the channel is sometimes back

any idea what this is? Comcast ran a diagnostic and says all OK

I recall if you can overload Cable card devices RF signal it can cause trouble? anyone tell me the best RF level? and which menu?

tia
post #501 of 679
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

OK all is good except:

some channels at some times do not appear: it says not authorized: they work OK on my RNG150 boxes

if I change channels and come back, the channel is sometimes back

any idea what this is? Comcast ran a diagnostic and says all OK

I recall if you can overload Cable card devices RF signal it can cause trouble? anyone tell me the best RF level? and which menu?

tia

Mark,

You have one of two problems. One is the signal strength is to hot which is common with the Roamio models and the second is the firmware for the SA CableCard is outdated.
There is two threads at TCF to cover this.

The first is the signal is to hot.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=510377
You may have to attenuate the signal strength going to the TiVo.

The second will require Comcast to push a firmware update to your CableCard.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=507973
The last couple of pages has some contact information if you need to get this done.

You can reduce the number of tuners in the Roamio to overcome this until your CableCard gets updates.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9785291#post9785291

How to set the number of Tuners.

If the CableCARD in your Roamio does not support 6 tuners, here is how to reduce the number of tuners Roamio will use:

Go to Settings > Channels > Channel List
and enter one of the following number sequences using the number buttons on the remote. This will tell Roamio the how many tuners it can use.
- 88633 = use 3 tuners
- 88634 = use 4 tuners
- 88635 = use 5 tuners
- 88636 = use 6 tuners

You should hear some "Thumbs Up" dings confirming the number of tuners Roamio will use.
post #502 of 679
Jed1

really appreciate it: the signal was too hot

a 6db attenuator fixed it smile.gif

Thanks again

also got RTI IP 2 way drivers working for remote control: very limited feedback and no metadata yet but Tivo response is fast.

Coming from RNG150 boxes and the the old Comcast DVR this is so much better...
post #503 of 679
OK one last question (for tonight)

I want to rack mount: M/A RSH 4A

closest they show in database is Roamio Plus: I want to confirm the Pro is the same as far as the case size?
post #504 of 679
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

OK one last question (for tonight)

I want to rack mount: M/A RSH 4A

closest they show in database is Roamio Plus: I want to confirm the Pro is the same as far as the case size?

The Roamio Plus and Pro are identical with the exception of the size of the hard drive., Plus 1 TB, Pro 3 TB.
post #505 of 679
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

Jed1

really appreciate it: the signal was too hot

a 6db attenuator fixed it smile.gif

Thanks again

also got RTI IP 2 way drivers working for remote control: very limited feedback and no metadata yet but Tivo response is fast.

Coming from RNG150 boxes and the the old Comcast DVR this is so much better...

Your Welcome! Glad I can help.

I made the jump from my cable companies DVR (Pace RNG200) with the old I guide to 2 TiVo 4 Premieres last summer and I will never go back. Ironically my cable company called me a few weeks ago to help them set up a test TiVo at their office as they are considering going that route for a whole home solution.
post #506 of 679
I' m replacing a Premiere Elite with a Roamio Plus. Can I just swap the cable card from the old unit to the new one or do I have to get new card?

Edit; I submitted my question to TiVo service and waiting for a reply. This is my third TiVo in the past seven years and looking forward to using this latest product.
Edited by elphillips - 1/30/14 at 4:03pm
post #507 of 679
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Originally Posted by elphillips View Post

I' m replacing a Premiere Elite with a Roamio Plus. Can I just swap the cable card from the old unit to the new one or do I have to get new card?

Edit; I submitted my question to TiVo service and waiting for a reply. This is my third TiVo in the past seven years and looking forward to using this latest product.

Cox - Goodyear AZ?
Yes, you can use the same CableCARD. You will need to call Cox 877-820-8202 and tell them you moved the CC to a new TiVo and need the CC Re-Paired or Re-Authorized and have them send a refresh signal. This is usually pretty simple, if the CSR knows what they are doing.

You should write down the CC Serial Number starting with "PK" and verify they have the correct card.

Then the TiVo will prompt you with two sets of numbers that you need to have Cox change in their system.
  • CableCARD ID:
  • Host ID:
post #508 of 679
Thank you Bryan for the info. I wonder if there would be any advantage in getting a new card. Mine has been in use since March 2009.
post #509 of 679
elphillips-
You should get a new card. Yours is old enough that it may not support 4 or 6 tuners well.

Edit Are you sure about that 2009 date? I didn't think the Premiere Elite was released then. I'm not even sure the two tuner Premieres were much more than a rumor 5 years ago.
Edited by Hyrax - 1/31/14 at 9:13pm
post #510 of 679
I am still experiencing errors: channels come up as not authorized or I get CP screen, while they work fine on RNG150

I have Comcast coming tomorrow with a new Cable card... and an X1
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