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post #331 of 593
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Originally Posted by PJStaff View Post

I've kind of scanned thru this thread to see if I could find what I was looking for, but not as of yet.  

I've been keeping my eye on the Yamaha YSP 4300 and had my mind made up to purchase it, until Interstate changed the price back to $1700.   Now,  I'm  wondering what else is comparable to this model, in or below this price range.  ANY ADVICE ??

You owe it to yourself to check out the Oioneer at your local best buy,
post #332 of 593
Yeah, like I am listening to Salief Kieta...very diverse African music with almost orchestral range of instruments...especially diverse percussion...and it is so clear, distinct, natural...
Not paticularly worried about the bluetooth deal, but it may become a problem later. I'm running pretty simple...cpu...hdmi...tv...digital optical...pioneer. So, can someone tell me...where is the DAC function being performed? Is that my "weak link" in the chain?
post #333 of 593
FYI, Visions in Western Canada is selling the SP-SB23W for $350 right now. I bought one.

I was looking for a simple sound system with low visual impact for our great room TV, mounted about the fireplace. More about that here. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1495284/hiding-speakers-in-a-rock-wall

The SB23W seems like it will work perfectly.

I know about the BT issue and I can live with it until they get it and a few other things fixed. I hope Pioneer reads the excellent feedback that some have contributed in this thread.

If we decide we want 5.1 sound in this room, I'll use the SB23W (with its sub) as the center channel and supplement the system with more Andrew Jones speakers. A tower on each side for left and right, the system sub and 2 bookshelves for surrounds. It won't have a low visual impact anymore, but it will sound good.
post #334 of 593
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Originally Posted by elmerfudII View Post

FYI, Visions in Western Canada is selling the SP-SB23W for $350 right now. I bought one.

I was looking for a simple sound system with low visual impact for our great room TV, mounted about the fireplace. More about that here. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1495284/hiding-speakers-in-a-rock-wall

The SB23W seems like it will work perfectly.

I know about the BT issue and I can live with it until they get it and a few other things fixed. I hope Pioneer reads the excellent feedback that some have contributed in this thread.

If we decide we want 5.1 sound in this room, I'll use the SB23W (with its sub) as the center channel and supplement the system with more Andrew Jones speakers. A tower on each side for left and right, the system sub and 2 bookshelves for surrounds. It won't have a low visual impact anymore, but it will sound good.

As I said in the other thread, I'm quite sure that you can't use an active soundbar as a center channel. You would need a passive soundbar to do that.
post #335 of 593
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Originally Posted by Doctego View Post

As I said in the other thread, I'm quite sure that you can't use an active soundbar as a center channel. You would need a passive soundbar to do that.

If I send it center channel content, it will be a center channel. I'll have to decode the stream up stream of it.
post #336 of 593
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Originally Posted by elmerfudII View Post

If I send it center channel content, it will be a center channel. I'll have to decode the stream up stream of it.
I'm curious as to how you will do that given this is a powered sound bar.
post #337 of 593
Thread Starter 
Elmer

While you could conceivably use a powered sound bar as a center channel with other components, there are many caveats.

First, you would need a variable line level (one volt) output to be able to change the volume. If you find a sound bar with line level outputs and your receiver has pre-out availability, you are now at the first step.

Second, you would need a sound bar that whose internal amplifier would track perfectly with the speaker outputs of your pre-power-amp combination or receiver. This is a much more difficult proposition than the first.

You would more than likely do better with zero center channel speaker and instead set up your pre-amp or receiver to create a phantom center channel.

This is the same issue that most people don't understand when they mix speakers and sub-woofers of different origin and different efficiency.

There are probably a world of variables that I have not considered so you may actually be able to accomplish this with little effort.

David
post #338 of 593
In other news, looks like it's out of stock period on Amazon's US site.
post #339 of 593
Not surprising since it is defective so Amazon has pulled it. Once Pioneer produces units that are fixed I am sure they will be back. Given Amazon's clout I don't doubt Pioneer took all their inventory back to either replace or correct the units and return them.
post #340 of 593

I bought two units from Amazon.  Very pleased so far.  I bought the two units thinking I'd need both on opposite ends to fill a 20'x40' room with music, although one would have probably been enough after trying it out.  I did notice a faint constant hum from the woofer (had to get close) that resembled the sound of a fan, though I don't expect there's a fan in there.  Have others noticed this? 

 

Thanks

post #341 of 593
ground loop hum maybe? Make sure all components are plugged into the same outlet.
post #342 of 593
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Originally Posted by drfreeman60 View Post

Pj

If you are seeking pseudo surround, the Yamaha or Bose could either be a good choice. If accuracy is more important, Pioneer is the absolute best I have experienced.

1800 Yamaha
1500 bose
350 pioneer

Thanks, I'm gonna take a look at the 1800 Yamaha.

post #343 of 593
I think that is the price, not the model number...
post #344 of 593
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Originally Posted by drm870 View Post

I think that is the price, not the model number...

Yes, I do believe your right.  Still leaning towards the yamaha, but MAN I really hate to pay that much.  I may wait a few more weeks to see if Interstate changes prices again.

post #345 of 593
Thread Starter 
PJ

I own an older Yamaha sound bar (Yamaha Sound Projector / their best). The sound from this is succifient, but not even close to the accuracy from the Pioneer at one fifth the cost. I demoed a more recent (4100) Yamaha bar in my home last year. Very little change since my purchase in 2007. I have owned six soundbars over the years and the Yamaha, although the most expensive, spent the least amount of time in my home system.

To sincerely experience the psuedo surround experience, you need to have a room that is rectangular with walls for the reflected sounds.

David
post #346 of 593
Thread Starter 
One more thing. Someone had asked earlier about the voice setting for watching movies.

Tried it on three movies and a bad football game over the weekend and must say, not only am I pleased, I am also very impressed.

Once I started the movie and let my ears grow accustomed to the attenuated bass and treble, the speaker bar retained a remarkably good tonal balance. Nothing ever seemed off if there were loud explosions, music or other artifacts that could have been affected by this.

This has been a feature on every sound bar, with the exception of the Yamaha, that I have owned and one that I had never cared for, obviously because I had never heard it implemented correctly. By the time that I took my seat (sounds like the theater), I didn't notice being on the voice setting.

Movies were
"Star Trek Into Darkness" -> good test for special effects and loud music
"The Adventures of Robin Hood / 1938" -> Wonderful score by Eric Wolfgang Korngold that did not seem in the least stifled
"Frankenstein / 1931" - Perfect movie for seeing just how well this brings out voices

David
post #347 of 593
Thanks David. CNet's review alluded to how the modes work, but I found a little more info here:
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"I listened to the virtualization and enhanced surround options on the chip we're using for about five seconds and said, 'right, we're turning that off.'" Rather than opting for gimmicky virtual surround, Andrew went for a clean, detailed stereo image with articulate and extended bass. When I asked him what the "movie" and "dialog enhancement" buttons on the remote do he told me that movie mode just boosts the bass a bit to improve the dynamic impact, and the dialog mode simply turns off the subwoofer. "We didn't need to boost the midrange for dialog mode, because the dialog is already really clear. But you'd be surprised how much bass information is in TV shows, even talk shows, which can muddy up the sound. By turning off the subwoofer, voices stand out more prominently."

So, nothing fancy, I guess, but well-implemented all-around.
post #348 of 593
Turning off the subwoofer is what Andrew Jones said dialogue mode does (and that appears to be Pioneer's official story), but I have noticed that treble appears to change between the three modes as well. I haven't auditioned that particular preset as I personally find little use for it, but the movie preset does seem to slightly soften the treble when compared to music mode (in addition to increasing the lower bass frequencies to my ears). So I'm guessing there's more to each mode than is being alluded.
post #349 of 593
So I ordered one through a friend at a local electronics shop but mentioned to him that they had the bluetooth issue and that i'd like to send it out for the update prior to receiving it. He phones his pioneer rep and they said it only affects 10% of the units. Is that the truth? I'd rather just have it 100% before setting it up.
post #350 of 593
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Originally Posted by svt2nv View Post

So I ordered one through a friend at a local electronics shop but mentioned to him that they had the bluetooth issue and that i'd like to send it out for the update prior to receiving it. He phones his pioneer rep and they said it only affects 10% of the units. Is that the truth? I'd rather just have it 100% before setting it up.

This is the first I'm hearing that it only affects 10% of the units. No indication of that on the Pioneer website notice. My personal experience is that it occurs with my iPhone, but not with my Kindle.

Even though I rarely stream music I wanted mine to be 100% as well so, per their instructions, I sent back the bar for an "update." It was received by Pioneer on 10/14. Later that week, I called to follow up and was told by a customer support person that, instead of the update, I would be receiving a replacement unit (brand new, complete with woofer) and would then need to return the original woofer. She could not give me a ship date on the replacement. I did, however, receive a FedEx label for the woofer return on 10/18. I emailed Pioneer for an update on my replacement unit yesterday. Will keep you posted.
-Michael
post #351 of 593
Well...this just re-affirms my decision- I will wait to do anything until the dust clears....
post #352 of 593
I been seriously scratching my head during this whole firmware bluetooth issue. Why in the world doesn't Pioneer let you update the firmware yourself???

I find it crazy as Vizio lets you upgrade/update firmware and Pioneer doesn't?

http://store.vizio.com/documents/downloads/accessories/S4251W-B4/s4251wb4-firmware-update-guide.pdf

Kudos to Vizio for offering this. A small error could have been prevented by letting us update it ourselves. As many of you know tweaks always come out in the future versions of firmware updates (think of tv's) and, this Pioneer bar is limited to what firmware it came with from the factory. frown.gif
post #353 of 593
Most soundbars don't have USB ports, including the Pioneer. That said, I'm increasingly guessing that this is a hardware issue with the bar's electronics, rather than firmware.
post #354 of 593
Pioneer is stating the fix is upgraded firmware. It's just shame there isn't a way to do it yourself on the Pioneer. Vizio is really on the right track to make things future proof.
post #355 of 593
It's weird that they would say that. I'm just going to open the seal so it looks like i tested it and send it in before I set it up then. I can go without a bar for a bit longer but I can't handle setting up something brand new that isn't 100%.
post #356 of 593
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Originally Posted by Jasonn B View Post

Pioneer is stating the fix is upgraded firmware. It's just shame there isn't a way to do it yourself on the Pioneer. Vizio is really on the right track to make things future proof.
Obviously the need for the update was unexpected so the additional circuitry for regular firmware updates (as seem to be required regularity for TVs) was not included. Pioneer is doing its best to resolve the issue - I'm sure this has been a costly problem for the company and I do feel badly that such a great product has been hurt by this relatively minor issue. Those who need/want the update should contact Pioneer and get it taken care of. I'm looking forward to receiving my replacement unit tomorrow (per FedEx). This makes three weeks start to finish to resolve the problem with most of that time due to shipping distance between NY and CA. I will report after I've had a chance to check out the new unit.
-Michael
post #357 of 593
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Originally Posted by MGoldbeck View Post

Obviously the need for the update was unexpected so the additional circuitry for regular firmware updates (as seem to be required regularity for TVs) was not included. Pioneer is doing its best to resolve the issue - I'm sure this has been a costly problem for the company and I do feel badly that such a great product has been hurt by this relatively minor issue. Those who need/want the update should contact Pioneer and get it taken care of. I'm looking forward to receiving my replacement unit tomorrow (per FedEx). This makes three weeks start to finish to resolve the problem with most of that time due to shipping distance between NY and CA. I will report after I've had a chance to check out the new unit.
-Michael
Still trying to determine what the status of my replacement bar is. Shipped it to Pioneer a couple weeks ago and there weren't any updates when I called them yesterday. No idea if I'll be getting the same bar or have to ship the subwoofer and will be issued a replacement. A little frustrating that I'm still in the dark. Will be calling Pioneer again today.
post #358 of 593
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Originally Posted by Dario33 View Post

Still trying to determine what the status of my replacement bar is. Shipped it to Pioneer a couple weeks ago and there weren't any updates when I called them yesterday. No idea if I'll be getting the same bar or have to ship the subwoofer and will be issued a replacement. A little frustrating that I'm still in the dark. Will be calling Pioneer again today.
I have found them to be responsive (within a day or two) to emails sent through the Pioneer web site. Reference your case# if you have it.
-Michael
post #359 of 593
This bar is garbage, thank god i passed on it. Its nothing but a failure, Pioneer should just recall them and call it a bust.

You got to be brain dead to release a product this defective. Even Fisher Price has better quality control than Pioneer.
post #360 of 593
No, these just should have had a USB port so the consumer could update the firmware themselves, like Vizo has. Problem would have been solved!
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