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post #571 of 593
Have had this soundbar for a little over a week and am fairly impressed.

Tried to sync BlueTooth over the weekend for the first time and can not seem to get any of my phones to recognize the soundbar.

The instructions in that manual didn't seem all that clear to me, so I'm hoping to get a little help here if possible.

It seems the steps are:

1 - Turn on BlueTooth on the soundbar (blue light above BlueTooth symbol should be visible)
2 - Turn on BlueTooth on phone/device
3 - Press button on soundbar until blue light starts to blink
4 - Tell phone/device to search
5 - Phone/device should recognize soundbar

Am I doing that right?

I couldn't get my Android or my wife's iPhone to recognize the bar.
post #572 of 593
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Originally Posted by RosinBow View Post


Definitely a problem and would appear to be an ongoing issue, we had two units shipped to us that had problems syncing speaker bar to woofer/subwoofer.  Kinda surprising this late in the product roll out, based on our experience be prepared you may get a replacement unit with issues too.

One bad one was enough for me based on all the possible issues. Amazon actually halted their sales for a time and stated the product was under review because so many customers experienced issue. I have moved on to Klipsch Icon SB-1. So far, working great.
post #573 of 593
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Originally Posted by colby1 View Post

Have had this soundbar for a little over a week and am fairly impressed.

Tried to sync BlueTooth over the weekend for the first time and can not seem to get any of my phones to recognize the soundbar.

The instructions in that manual didn't seem all that clear to me, so I'm hoping to get a little help here if possible.

It seems the steps are:

1 - Turn on BlueTooth on the soundbar (blue light above BlueTooth symbol should be visible)
2 - Turn on BlueTooth on phone/device
3 - Press button on soundbar until blue light starts to blink
4 - Tell phone/device to search
5 - Phone/device should recognize soundbar

Am I doing that right?

I couldn't get my Android or my wife's iPhone to recognize the bar.

 

Follow Andrew Jones' video demonstration first link below for bluetooth pairing.  If you are paired with an iPhone you will want to go into the iPhones settings and pan both left and then right making sure the speaker bar works for both channels.  If it doesn't then you've got one with the bluetooth issue described on their website, second link below...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU8CfT9jxTg

 

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speaker+Bar/Speaker+Bar+Notice

post #574 of 593

The television is mounted on a table stand on top of a cabinet, we added some old brackets to the stand to mount the Pioneer Speaker Bar.  The stand is a Universal VESA mount that allows for adjustable height.  The L-Brackets we used are bolted to the back of the stand and securely attached to the mounting brackets on the back of the speaker bar.  Blu-ray player fits nicely underneath on the base of the stand.  Makes for a nice clean aesthetic setup for a non-theater second room television that is easy for house guests to operate.

 

 

AppleMark

post #575 of 593
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by RosinBow View Post

The television is mounted on a table stand on top of a cabinet, we added some old brackets to the stand to mount the Pioneer Speaker Bar.  The stand is a Universal VESA mount that allows for adjustable height.  The L-Brackets we used are bolted to the back of the stand and securely attached to the mounting brackets on the back of the speaker bar.  Blu-ray player fits nicely underneath on the base of the stand.  Makes for a nice clean aesthetic setup for a non-theater second room television that is easy for house guests to operate.


AppleMark

Rosin, looks very good and very clean.
post #576 of 593
RosinBow,

I just bought and configured a Harmony 650, which works perfectly with this unit. I wish that one of my other remotes would have been able to learn from the one supplied from Pioneer. The setup with the Harmony was a snap and the universal remote accommodates all commands from the credit card remote, including the subwoofer volume and listening mode features.

Thanks
Mark
post #577 of 593

markmar,

 

Thanks for the suggestion of the Harmony Remote but we actually like the setup with the LG Magic Motion Remote and the Pioneer Remote.  The LG Magic Motion Remote controls all the features of the Smart TV and the LG Blu-ray player very gracefully with an on screen mouse cursor that is quickly and intuitively moved by waving the remote in the air like you would move a mouse.  Additionally it doesn't suffer from button clutter and utilizes Siri like voice commands.  If the Harmony remote offered this type of control it could be worth considering for the application. 

 

The Pioneer remote is simple too; we even put Red, Green and Blue vinyl decals below the corresponding Music, Movie and Voice modes buttons as reflected by the speaker bars LED's which visually indicates what sound mode it is in.  It would have been ideal if the speaker bar at least could have learned volume up and down from the LG remote but it seems like house guests will be able to adapt quickly with two simple to use remotes.

 

Horses for courses ;)

post #578 of 593
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Originally Posted by drfreeman60 View Post


Rosin, looks very good and very clean.

 

 

Thanks, the stand is a Pro Signal Universal TV Stand/Base for 32" - 60" Flat-Screen Televisions, it is rated to support up to 60 lbs.  The L-brackets (not supplied) we had were already black, we drilled them to fit the horizontal bracket slots and line up with the mounting lugs on the Pioneer Speaker Bar.  Then used hex nuts and bolts to secure mounting of the L-brackets to the stand and speaker bar, as well as providing a clean appearance the setup is very secure. 

 

post #579 of 593
Thread Starter 
If anyone still remembers (or still cares), I mentioned way back in September when starting this thread that I was having a custom built cabinet created for my audio/video needs and promised some pictures.

This is the completed cabinet immediately after painting. The object under the sheet in the sun-room is my ZT60 on its stand awaiting mounting in the cabinet.

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An inside look at the hardware. After you fold back the bi-fold doors, the wall on the side folds back also allowing the doors to be moved inside via the pocket door hardware.

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Cabinet with doors and walls completely open.

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TV and Speaker Bar mounted (finally)

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Add the top and bottom doors for a more finished look

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Allow the wife to add books, owls, and other implements of beauty

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And one look at what all of this looks like closed up

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And if anyone is wondering, no I do not live in a fun-house. The distorted look is due to my lack of photography skills added to the height of the cabinet and the position from which the photo was taken.
post #580 of 593
Still having connectivity issues with BlueTooth - even after following the instructions supplied above.

Also - I now seem to be having issues with the soundbar learning my Directtv remote....

All was working quite well until yesterday when my wife reported that it was no longer responding to the remote. I have boys aged 2 & 4 and would not be surprised that their fiddling to find a carton messed something up.

No problem right, I'll just re-program and we are back in business....Wrong.

Power and volume up re-programmed easily but the volume down refuses to learn and seems to have somehow programmed that button as "source change" - so now when I press volume down the bar will toggle between analog/digital/BlueTooth.

Any idea how to fully reset the learning function back to blank so I can start over?
post #581 of 593
Colby1,

You could try unplugging the power on both the speaker bar and the woofer/subwoofer for a couple of hours, this might reset it so you program it in again.

If that doesn't work contact Pioneer Tech support. They're in CA and seem to be a little overwhelmed with calls so be prepared to sit on hold before you get an actual person.

I forgot to mention in my post describing our experience that the first unit we were sent did not respond at all to the supplied Pioneer remote.
Edited by RosinBow - 1/15/14 at 9:20am
post #582 of 593
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Originally Posted by drfreeman60 View Post

Ron - I have never heard a pop from the speaker bar. This sounds as if you do have an issue with the speaker bar. To verify this, you could disconnect all inputs from the speaker bar. If you hear a pop when you power on the speaker bar, definitely an issue with the bar. If not, you could troubleshoot by hooking other equipment to either of the inputs to see if it is something with a specific piece of equipment. If so, this could pose the identical issue with a replacement speaker bar.

I now have the replacement system in place and NO "POP" when turning on and everything working great. And same thing with the Roku 3 which took a dump as well. Amazon customer service beyond great. The gal had the Roku replacement to me in 1 day and the Pioneer speaker bar system in two days. Haven't even packed up the defective mdse. yet. Their dime of course.

I was on Pandora adding favorite artists and genres of music and had my wife come sit down and listen with the system on Music mode and we were doing something we did many years ago, just sitting there and getting off on how good these songs and selections sounded. Some of them sounding their best ever to us, hearing them for the first time in many years since technology advanced vs what I had when we last did that.

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post #583 of 593
Well, I'm returning this bar to best buy. I've had it over a month and am not happy.

I have the Vizio 80" M series tv, and the factory tv speakers are surprisingly good, but just don't have a ton of volume. My tv has this "built in surround" that's turned on by default, and the only thing I don't like about the Pioneer is that it doesn't have some type of simulated "surround" to make the sound field "WIDER". When I have the sound bar on, it's a very narrow sound field left to right and I find myself having the leave the factory speakers "on" with the bar to widen it. I wish the bar had some type of surround to widen it. Anyone know what I mean?

Even the Sony bar, ranked #2, has a pseudo surround.

Now, the narrow sound field is one thing, but here's something else. I was watching the movie Elysium. There is a scene with dialog and it's raining out. With the Pioneer bar on, you can't hear the rain, at all. With my tv speakers with "surround mode" on, I can hear the rain and other background noises very clear. So, I'm actually losing sound with the Pioneer due to it not having some type of surround mode. (also, if I turn off the surround on the tv speakers, I can't hear the rain either, it must be on and I like hearing the details) I've never had a surround system with any tv, so this isn't biased. Thoughts?
post #584 of 593
Thread Starter 
Woofer Standby Issue

I had a discussion with a Pioneer customer support person today concerning the woofer standby issue.

As mentioned earler, I had never noticed the woofer moving to standby and was totally unaware until someone left a post in this thread.

This is by design. When the volume is below a certain threshold, the woofer is in standby mode. When there is no output in the lowest three octaves, the woofer is in standby mode.

When volume increases beyond the predetermined theshold (somewhere between about 88db and 92db) or if there is any bass content at normal volume levels, the unit is immediately out of standby and playing content. Since the rise time on the amplifiers is in the single digit millisecond range, I don't believe that this should be audible to anyone.

David
post #585 of 593
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Originally Posted by Jasonn B View Post

Well, I'm returning this bar to best buy. I've had it over a month and am not happy.

I have the Vizio 80" M series tv, and the factory tv speakers are surprisingly good, but just don't have a ton of volume. My tv has this "built in surround" that's turned on by default, and the only thing I don't like about the Pioneer is that it doesn't have some type of simulated "surround" to make the sound field "WIDER". When I have the sound bar on, it's a very narrow sound field left to right and I find myself having the leave the factory speakers "on" with the bar to widen it. I wish the bar had some type of surround to widen it. Anyone know what I mean?

Even the Sony bar, ranked #2, has a pseudo surround.

Now, the narrow sound field is one thing, but here's something else. I was watching the movie Elysium. There is a scene with dialog and it's raining out. With the Pioneer bar on, you can't hear the rain, at all. With my tv speakers with "surround mode" on, I can hear the rain and other background noises very clear. So, I'm actually losing sound with the Pioneer due to it not having some type of surround mode. (also, if I turn off the surround on the tv speakers, I can't hear the rain either, it must be on and I like hearing the details) I've never had a surround system with any tv, so this isn't biased. Thoughts?

My curiosity is peaked, Jasonn. I didn't remember a rain scene in Elysium. I didn't rewatch the entire movie but I did scan through it and seemed to have missed it. Where is it? I wanted to check for myself.

If you had read any reviews of this soundbar, you would have known that it doesn't have any 'surround' feature. I'm hoping you are one of Best Buy's premier elite members if you are trying to return after 30 days.
post #586 of 593
Seems that if you are missing sound effects that you need to set the television or disc player to mixdown to stereo or select the stereo mix on the disc itself.

We have a home theater for surround sound and were pleased to find a 2.1 speaker bar that doesn't try to simulate surround on an additional set but everyone's needs or expectations are different.
Edited by RosinBow - 1/16/14 at 5:30pm
post #587 of 593
I second RosinBow's comment, Jasonn B's problem sounds like a mixdown issue. The fact that it happens to both the TV and the soundbar points to the source/player.
post #588 of 593
It actually isn't both. When the tv speakers are on, it has built in surround mode and you can hear these details. If you turn off the surround for the tv speakers it's lessened a little but not as bad as with the sound bar. The tv still picks up more than the bar. I of course tried disabling the tv speakers and all audio modes on the tv and have had over a month to experiment.

What happened is, I got used to the tv with the surround mode that widens the sound, and evidently helps add some detail. The sound bar doesn't have any surrounds modes and you end up hearing less in this case with movies. Most other bars have some type of pseudo surround, but this one doesn't.

I bought the unit when best buy had the special for anything bought in December could be returned up to Jan 15th so no issues on a return.
post #589 of 593
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Originally Posted by Jasonn B View Post

Well, I'm returning this bar to best buy. I've had it over a month and am not happy.



Now, the narrow sound field is one thing, but here's something else. I was watching the movie Elysium. There is a scene with dialog and it's raining out. With the Pioneer bar on, you can't hear the rain, at all. With my tv speakers with "surround mode" on, I can hear the rain and other background noises very clear. So, I'm actually losing sound with the Pioneer due to it not having some type of surround mode. (also, if I turn off the surround on the tv speakers, I can't hear the rain either, it must be on and I like hearing the details) I've never had a surround system with any tv, so this isn't biased. Thoughts?

I get obsessive about things like this so I watched Elysium again and I assume the scene are referring to is the one on the space station where the sprinkler system is running. I can hear the sprinklers but they are definitely minimized. I checked on my regular TV speakers and thesprinkler sound is minimal there at best. It seems to me that you are not losing sound as much as not experiencing sound that your synthesized surround speakers are producing. There's nothing wrong with your desire to have this sound but I don't think it is a defect of the Pioneer Soundbar.

Before I bought the Pioneer I was seriously leaning toward the Sonos system which does a passably good job of creating surround sound. While I was never able to A/B the systems, I am very happy with the Pioneer since I seem to have gotten one without any problems and it does a very acceptable job on music. To each his own. Glad you were able to return it without any problems.
post #590 of 593
I had this bar for almost 60 days. Ultimately, I decided to return it for Vizio's 5.1 soundbar. I thought Pioneer's sound bar was clear and more natural than all of the sound bars I tried. Subwoofer would cut in and out which annoyed me. But the final straw was the flip up Toslink door on port. It broke the second time I tried to reinsert the Toslink cable.
post #591 of 593
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Originally Posted by sal9000 View Post

I get obsessive about things like this so I watched Elysium again and I assume the scene are referring to is the one on the space station where the sprinkler system is running. I can hear the sprinklers but they are definitely minimized. I checked on my regular TV speakers and thesprinkler sound is minimal there at best. It seems to me that you are not losing sound as much as not experiencing sound that your synthesized surround speakers are producing. There's nothing wrong with your desire to have this sound but I don't think it is a defect of the Pioneer Soundbar.

Before I bought the Pioneer I was seriously leaning toward the Sonos system which does a passably good job of creating surround sound. While I was never able to A/B the systems, I am very happy with the Pioneer since I seem to have gotten one without any problems and it does a very acceptable job on music. To each his own. Glad you were able to return it without any problems.

Haha, you are like me. I forget where that scene was, do you know the minute mark aprox??


Yea, the Pioneer is definitely are more "direct" sound, with mainly voice, it doesn't accentuate the other stuff, and I know it's not designed to do this. I seems I've been spoiled by the "pseudo" surround in my tv and can't live without that simulated feature. Maybe Pioneer will add it in a future update.

Yes, music sounded great. All these need to do is add a surround feature and then I think it will cover every angle. My damn tv speakers spoiled me and sound great for super "lifelike" sound, but don't have much volume. If you think of any other new bars coming out that may have what I want, let me know and thanks for your post, it made perfect sense.
post #592 of 593
I continue to be extremely frustrated....

  1. Bluetooth not working - the bar seems unrecognizable by any device in my home
  2. Remote programming - worked at one time perfectly but mysteriously stopped and will now not re-program for any capability
  3. Remote programming directions are followed with no success
  4. Pioneer Customer Support (via e-mail) is slower than slow

I've now crossed the threshold to return to Best Buy for another unit, so I am going to ramp up the pressure/communication to Pioneer for them to help me resolve these issues.

I am more than pleased with the sound performance of the bar, just need to get these other basic features working correctly.
post #593 of 593
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Originally Posted by klago View Post

I recently bought one of these and I cannot get it to work with my LG 47LM7600 TV. I have tried every possible permutation of settings on the tv.

I have changed the HDMI cables between cable box and TV and tried a new Optical Cable.

I cannot get it to work with the optical cable out of TV, Cable box or PS3. I am getting sound when playing music over bluetooth.

Is it possible that the optical port on the soundbar is broken?

Hey gang,

An update from a couple months back. I called Pioneer Canada and was advised to return the soundbar to the retailer for a model with the new firmware. Pulled it out of the box, plugged it in, turned it on and presto!!! Glorious sound.

No fussing about with the settings on the TV or anything.

K.
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