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post #31 of 200
Hi Otreblaelasac,
Thanks for updated version. I am able to generate menus and played from Dune successfully. I bought WD 2TB live NAS and tested playing songs. The user manual really helped to understand configuration for menu setup. The pictures are neat to help for the settings.

I generated index for three different languages (Songs are grouped in different folder based on Language English/Hindi/Telugu) using three different menus. I used different templates for testing. Everything worked without any problems.

When I pressed "play all", Dune played only one song. When I pressed enter key, it shows popup with only one song. Not sure what is the problem. Also when I selected "picture and media", it shows album picture, but next does not work. It could be Dune limitations.

I have all my audio songs extracted from CD using dbpoweramp as FLAC files with replay gain. Not sure if Dune is honoring replay gain. Also, Indian songs has following information.

Album artist : Music Director ( for the movie)
Album: Movie name
Artitst: Multiple singers separated with comman
Composer: I use who writes songs.

I wonder if dune can display this meta data that I entered in dbpoweramp. I think it is taking around 10 seconds or little more to play next song. It could be NAS delay to get next FLAC song. I copied all index files on to SD card that is inside Dune. But actual songs are located in WD 2TB NAS.


Again, Appreciate providing excellent tool with very good documentation. Without user guide, it might have taken more time to figure out things. I am novice to use NAS and juke box, still able to complete in few hours

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post #32 of 200
Thread Starter 
Hi Sukumar,

really glad the documentation was helpful !
I'll follow up your "play all" issue in a PM I'll send you.
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I wonder if dune can display this meta data that I entered in dbpoweramp. I think it is taking around 10 seconds or little more to play next song. It could be NAS delay to get next FLAC song. I copied all index files on to SD card that is inside Dune. But actual songs are located in WD 2TB NAS.
You would like to have the metadata displayed by the Dune while playing or just in the album page ? The album page can already display some (not the composer though).
Regarding delays in gathering next FLAC from NAS I couldn't tell, since I have no experience with FLAC and NAS. I'll try to build something and test on my Synology. Performances are however determined by several factors like, e.g. network speed (NAS to Switch, Dune to Switch is that WIFI, 100bT, GbE, ....). However for a 30MB FLAC file shouldn't be a problem..

Al
post #33 of 200
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Originally Posted by otreblaelasac View Post

Hi Sukumar,

really glad the documentation was helpful !
I'll follow up your "play all" issue in a PM I'll send you.
You would like to have the metadata displayed by the Dune while playing or just in the album page ? The album page can already display some (not the composer though).
Regarding delays in gathering next FLAC from NAS I couldn't tell, since I have no experience with FLAC and NAS. I'll try to build something and test on my Synology. Performances are however determined by several factors like, e.g. network speed (NAS to Switch, Dune to Switch is that WIFI, 100bT, GbE, ....). However for a 30MB FLAC file shouldn't be a problem..

Al

I will test little more to find the file size and how long exactly it takes to play next song. Dune is accessing NAS through Ethernet. I have gigabit router, however Dune has limitation.

Dune shows the following meta data that I entered in dbpoweramp
Album
Artist
year.
It could have been helpful to show composer and Album artist meta fields also.
post #34 of 200
I tried Dune Music Manager. I am very much impressed with the features of the tool. The tool generated play lists for albums, artists etc very quickly. The templates are able to change look& feel completely different.

Since Dune is very much limited in audio songs, this juke box tool fills lot of gaps to make Dune sophisticated audio player too. I am able to test from Dune media controller also without any problems. I really want to avoid buying any new players just for songs. It is easy to maintain same media player for both movies and audio songs. This tool gave me hope to be able to continuing using Dune as universal player.

Appreciate for the developer not only providing good tool, but also providing excellent user guide. I rarely see any user guides for most of the tools.It would help to enhance meta data.

I am fixing issues with my songs ripped for multi values artist. As soon as I fix, I am going to run the tool and will keep you posted.
post #35 of 200
Thread Starter 
Hi there, this is a minor update to DMM awaiting for the addtion of Years and Selections.

If you don't have particular problems with your current DMM version you don't need to upgrade. V1.2.7 basically fixes a number of little misbehaviors leading DMM to hang or crash or fail in some boundary situations. Alongside with bug fixes there are the following improvements
  • faster image scraping by avoiding to display images during the process and using the same look & feel as for library scanning and menu export (progress bar at the bottom)
  • in the preview you can now use the Backspace key to navigate backward

How to install it?
How to upgrade from a previous version?
  • Do a fresh installation in a new folder. Do not delete your previous DMM folder
  • Copy from the previous DMM folder MyMusic\Backgrounds, MyMusic\Covers and MyMusic\Pictures in the new installation directory
  • Copy from the previous DMM folder MyMusic\sorting_db.txt in the new MyMusic folder
  • Run the new program
  • Recreate your menu (DMM will scan again the same library and find your custom images)
  • Do a full export

Regarding upgrade, as said DMM should find all your custom images when recreating the menu if you followed the above procedure. If this is not the case, please send me a PM telling me
  • album title with unrecognised custom cover
  • filename of the custom cover in MyMusic\Covers
  • artist name with unrecognised custom picture
  • filename of the custom picture in MyMusic\Pictures

Al
post #36 of 200
Thanks to the help of the developer I am up and running with DMM! I really like it, tons of options/features! I did want to mention again, how much help the developer is! Emails and questions are responded to very quickly + he just seems like a great guy!
post #37 of 200
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Thanks to the help of the developer I am up and running with DMM! I really like it, tons of options/features! I did want to mention again, how much help the developer is! Emails and questions are responded to very quickly + he just seems like a great guy!

I second that.
Al rules!
post #38 of 200
I third it (does this word even exists ???)

Al is very pro-active and listens to the feedback to improve is nice software wink.gif
post #39 of 200
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I third it (does this word even exists ???)

Al is very pro-active and listens to the feedback to improve is nice software wink.gif

Yes. I agree with you. I am working with him for few days and he is very prompt to help with the tool and debug quickly to find the problems. Now I feel Dune is universal player if I play albums using DMM generated indexes.

I want to share these enhancements could help better. It is just my feedback. It would help if you feel same for second opinion.

1. While searching image, the ENTER key does not work. That is common practice. It is better to put radio buttons for google search , radio button etc. I dont' feel to click on these every time

2. After selecting image, right click on popup menu is not intuitive, It is better to put some buttons "as pictrute, "back ground" etc. after clicking done the window should close. Thee can be tooltip on buttons


3. Do you have any plans for user to create his own play list?

4. Are you indexing in the artist list , album artist also?

5. Is it possible to index on composer filed also. This would help for Indian movies. I am using composer field actually for the one who writes songs. Only on consensus, you can work on it. Not just for me;-). It is not big deal.

Thanks again for all your work. Like custom home, with the developer's help I am getting custom tool that he listens to others and improve based on judgement.;-)
post #40 of 200
Thread Starter 
Thanks to all for the nice comments. What helped and motivated me a lot is to find several people willing to spend time with my program to make it fit their needs. This common effort made DMM eventually much better and less buggy than it was initially as Music libraries can be so much different.

To your points Sukumar
1) & 2) good comments. I'll definitely implement 2) in the next version. For 1) I need to find the right balance to get the results with the minimum user interactions (one-click or edit+enter)
3) Indeed. The next version will have "Selections" (call them Favorites if you prefer). User will be able to build and manage a selection which has a name, an image, a background, a comment and a collection of items. You'll have of course a wall of Selection icons pretty much like a Genres or Artists page. Picking one Selection you'll see a page with its content. There will be 2 types of selections:
  • Collection of items (Albums, Artists, Genres); its page will be a wall containing the icons of items (like a single artist page right now); selection an Album (or an artist or a genre) you'll get to the corresponding page.
  • Playlists (built within DMM or possibly imported). Picking a Playlist selection will display a playlist page which will be a variant of the album page with list of tracks
4) yes, Album artist is also created as an artist. BTW, if you have an album with albumartist and several artists, the album page will display the Albumartist
5) Do you mean having a page, like Artists, with a wall of all Composers and selecting one you'll get the albums where he composed tracks ? Or do you mean showing the composer in the album page attached to tracks he composed ? Both are possible, who else is interested ?

Al
post #41 of 200
I'll fourth it! (or are we on fifth it?) smile.gif

Al has been absolutely amazing with sorting out any little problems. I've been in constant contact with him via PM and he's always right on the ball, little did I realise he was juggling many other "customers" at the same time smile.gif

After trying a couple of the other music jukeboxes I gave up because of complicated setup and not very nice interfaces, now we have a solid reliable way to play music on a Dune. With the great news that Fred is working on yaDIS 3 I'm in Dune heaven biggrin.gif

P.S.
Not been very active on this forum as I have been following DMM's progress on the mpcclub forums.
post #42 of 200
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Originally Posted by otreblaelasac View Post

Thanks to all for the nice comments. What helped and motivated me a lot is to find several people willing to spend time with my program to make it fit their needs. This common effort made DMM eventually much better and less buggy than it was initially as Music libraries can be so much different.

To your points Sukumar
1) & 2) good comments. I'll definitely implement 2) in the next version. For 1) I need to find the right balance to get the results with the minimum user interactions (one-click or edit+enter)
3) Indeed. The next version will have "Selections" (call them Favorites if you prefer). User will be able to build and manage a selection which has a name, an image, a background, a comment and a collection of items. You'll have of course a wall of Selection icons pretty much like a Genres or Artists page. Picking one Selection you'll see a page with its content. There will be 2 types of selections:
  • Collection of items (Albums, Artists, Genres); its page will be a wall containing the icons of items (like a single artist page right now); selection an Album (or an artist or a genre) you'll get to the corresponding page.
  • Playlists (built within DMM or possibly imported). Picking a Playlist selection will display a playlist page which will be a variant of the album page with list of tracks
4) yes, Album artist is also created as an artist. BTW, if you have an album with albumartist and several artists, the album page will display the Albumartist
5) Do you mean having a page, like Artists, with a wall of all Composers and selecting one you'll get the albums where he composed tracks ? Or do you mean showing the composer in the album page attached to tracks he composed ? Both are possible, who else is interested ?

Al
Al, Thanks for looking into suggestions. I am excited to wait for next release particularly #3. I guess it is more complicated to implement this feature.
#5. To get started, it would help at least to show as much meta data as possible, particularly these things.
Artist, Album Arist, Album name, song name, year,composer, genre

You are already showing most of it. It would have been better if Dune itself shows this meta data once it starts playing song. Since you don't have control once Dune starts playing, it can only be displayed on Album page.

Right now you are showing the following
Album name
Album artist
List of song titles.

How do you display artist, composer information which is specific to each song? May be you can show these details in a table with song name, artist,composer.

For next phase, you may consider indexing composers just like artists.

Again appreciate all your effort in helping to exploit Dune player better for audio. Let me know if you have any questions.
post #43 of 200
Thread Starter 
Hi Sukumar
Regarding metadata. In the album page they can all be displayed apart composer. For composer, being linked to songs, I suggest to add it in the caption and header of the song in the playlist so that the dune will put it on screen.

What do you think ?
post #44 of 200
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Originally Posted by otreblaelasac View Post

Hi Sukumar
Regarding metadata. In the album page they can all be displayed apart composer. For composer, being linked to songs, I suggest to add it in the caption and header of the song in the playlist so that the dune will put it on screen.

What do you think ?

Hi Al,Is DMM can dynamically alter what is displayed by Dune like appending composer etc? If so that would be great. Customizable templates also will help to select what anybody wants to see or hide.
post #45 of 200
Thread Starter 
I'd need to test but usually Dune shows the caption of the item referenced in the dune_folder.txt. By building a caption that contains the composer it should get displayed on tv. Same idea for the song header in the playlists.
Al
post #46 of 200
Thread Starter 
Tests done:
  • just populating the item caption with additional info doesn't work because for individual files the Dune is managing what to display
  • I could however force the Dune to display what I want for each item in a playlist when a m3u file is played. The caveat here is that
    • it doesn't work when you have playlists with images
    • it doesn't work for individual tracks

Eventually an alternative solution for composers would be to have wider zone for the tracks in the album page and have DMM add the composer (e.g. within brackets) concatenate to the song title.

Anyone else interested in having DMM handling composers ?
post #47 of 200
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Originally Posted by otreblaelasac View Post

Tests done:
  • just populating the item caption with additional info doesn't work because for individual files the Dune is managing what to display
  • I could however force the Dune to display what I want for each item in a playlist when a m3u file is played. The caveat here is that
    • it doesn't work when you have playlists with images
    • it doesn't work for individual tracks

Eventually an alternative solution for composers would be to have wider zone for the tracks in the album page and have DMM add the composer (e.g. within brackets) concatenate to the song title.

Anyone else interested in having DMM handling composers ?
Thanks for researching to give update. Unfortunately, I am in the process of setting up new NAS to test from Dune. However,I just did preview in DMM. It seems title and time for each song is listed. I wonder if you can display kind of in columns with the following information.

Title Artists composer time

It would help anybody who is using squeezebox or Sonos to provide some input on what is customary to show on album view.

Thanks
post #48 of 200
Thread Starter 
Sukumar,

my feeling is that to be nice on TV we cannot make the album view too crowded. Many people won't even go to that page and play the album straight from the cover, triggering the entire album playlist. When on the album page, to be readable on TV, the song title needs to use a font of a minimum size and you cannot have at the same time a nice background, album infos (title, album artist, duration, genre, etc) AND comprehensive infos for each track (title, artists, composer, time). There will always be an overrun and you'll end up having useless "...".

I'm currently prototyping an HTML export of the DMM menu. The idea is to:
  • install a very small plugin on the Dune that make all its storage (networked, internal, Usb) visible through the built in browser
  • use a web browser (e.g. on your smartphone, tablet or pc) and point it to the IP of the dune
  • browse the storages and find the location of the exported menu (bookmark the location)
  • Then you're on the HTML version of the exported menu that sits on a NAS or a dune HDD
  • Within this "web site" you can
    • navigate through the pages
    • access quickly albums, genres, artists using an alphabetical navigation index
    • enter a string to filter the covers view (albums, genres, artists), i.e. do a search
    • when selecting an album you'll go to a playout page that, in my opinion, could be separate in 4 sections: (list of tracks, cover, currently played track, remote control buttons to control dune playout)
    • in this list of tracks or the currently played track zone you can have more information
    • Ideally this page could also host or link to ancillary information gathered from the web (lyrics, last.fm artist page, etc.)

Al
post #49 of 200
Thread Starter 
Hi there,
little update on the current developments.

Selections and Years features are being developed (40% completed), I slowed down a bit on them because I'm currently busy with the DMM WebApp for phones and tablets.
I don't plan to redo the excellent DMC. What I want to do is a simple web app that allow any mobile device with a browser to
  • browse your music library
  • search albums, artists, genres, songs
  • control the playout
  • (optionally) tells the dune to also show the pages on TV
The webapp doesn't reproduce the template-based 16:9 pages on the mobile (like DMC does), it does show a list of covers over a background.

I think this is a valuable companion to the TV based DMM output and it can evolve in a lot of ways.
Awaiting to have a working version ready for prime time (getting close), here are a couple of screenshots of the current status.

albums.JPG?token_hash=AAHW_SOc8FE7VBT0szirppOI8m8_AJmYOwUndBs5YezZQQ

playout%20playlist.JPG?token_hash=AAHW_SOc8FE7VBT0szirppOI8m8_AJmYOwUndBs5YezZQQ
post #50 of 200
Great! Thank you! I really like my DMM! Appreciate all your hard work, communication and updates!
post #51 of 200
The interface looks cool. I guess using browser approach could allow powerful search. Does it work from windows phone also? I am excited to try the tool. Thanks for sharing the screens.
post #52 of 200
I'm just setting this up for the first time. I'm storing the menu on the local HD on the Dune player. The music is on my vortexbox server (no log in required). I scanned my music and created the menu and can access it from the Dune display. Everything works except when I try and "Play All". I get an error that a file is not found on the local Dune HD...? If I select a single track, it plays back without issue. Any idea?
post #53 of 200
Thread Starter 
Hi barhoram,
thanks for using DMM.

I'll write you a PM with my details and we'll sort it out.
Al
post #54 of 200

Hi Al,

 

I stumbled upon your program just a few days ago, in a final attempt to get my DUNE to play music without turning on the TV. I was already looking  at a Rasperry or Mede8er,

Already been disappointed a few times, so I didn't expect the result, BUT --> Excellent program, fast, good looking with almost 100% intuitive operation.

So far, I tried only a few folders of music on my Synology, that worked out fine.

 

I'm looking forward to use an App on my Samsung phone and tablet, the screengrabs look excellent too.

 

Regards,

Leon

post #55 of 200
Thread Starter 
Really glad you find DMM intuitive and useful !

Actually you don't need to wait for my DMM web app to use the DMM exported menu on an Android device without switching the TV ON. You could use already the excellent DMC (http://www.mpcclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27700).

Currently DMC does not allow to search, the next version should include this feature.
My WebApp will not try to imitate DMC which actually reproduce exactly the same page as on TV for any dune_folder powered jukebox.
My intention is to be platform independent (iOS, Android, Windows phone, PC, Mac) and tied to DMM to become a convenient companion app to browse, search, launch and control playout of your music library.

The next DMM iteration including a beta WebApp and some bugs fixing should arrive in the next few weeks.

A reminder, DMM relies purely on the tags it finds. The better the tags, the better the result.

Al
post #56 of 200

Hello
Excuse me, I'm french and this is translated with Google ....
Congratulations on your software is great.
I have a configuration problem, I do not play the music from the tablet SAMSUNG GALAXY TAB3.
I have a very simple installation:
- My library is on my PC (192.168.1.2) E: My Music
- The drive is a HDI DUNE (192.168.1.6)
- DMM on my PC
I generates the menu well and I see them on my shelf and on my TV.
But when I want to play music it appears a message "imposible to read URL is not good"
I have tried many solutions but nothing works.
I do not understand.
Please help me

post #57 of 200
Thread Starter 
Hi Mecalbuta,

if you prefer you can write me (in French) at this email address (albertocasale@yahoo.com).
If I understand correctly, everything works fine on TV but you can't make your tablet working, right ?
I assume you use DMC on your tablet. Have you checked the box on DMM "DMC compatibility" ?

Let's continue the discussion off-thread by email (or PM if you prefer) and we'll report back to the forum the solution we'll find together
Al
post #58 of 200
Thread Starter 
Just wanted to report that mecalbuta and I solved his configuration problem. It was due to an erroneous dune path. The Dune was unable to get to the PC where the music was stored because the dune path was telling the dune to search in a local storage (via storage_name://...).

The dune path is probably the trickiest part of any dune jukebox and source of many issues. It is quite difficult to manage everything with a program, therefore if you're dune is unable to play music, first thing to check is the Dune Path.

As another suggestion (as source of possible DMM misbehaviors), it is important to check your tags. DMM relies purely on your tags. The main source of issue is for the tags albumartist and artist. If you have problems/errors in there, chances are DMM will fail.
post #59 of 200
I've been trying out DMM and it was very promising until the menu creation stage. The process gets to a certain point and then stops. I then need to close the program as it becomes non responsive.

I want the menu to be exported to Dune internal drive.

The export menu goes through albums, then alphabet, then gets through most of the artists until it gets to "various artists" when it stops. "Various artists" was generated from a compilation selection of music held under my NAS music folder which probably doesn't have complete metadata. Could it be that DMM can't recognise the artist and so just stops? Other than that any other suggestions?

Looking in the Dune HDD I can see the album/artist/etc folders with images but no menu so i assume no menu is created because it doesn't complete.

Thanks.
post #60 of 200
Thread Starter 
Hi Basil99,

most likely you have in some tags an artist field with a very long string, may be because the artists are separated by commas and not ; or /.

If you send me (albertocasale@yahoo.com) the txt file under the myMusic\data directory I'll have a look at the data and let you know where to modify.

The next version will be more informative and resilient wrt to these situations. It will also allow the user to decide
  • which of separators to choose between , ; : / |
  • how artists are created using albumartist and artist tags
  • optionally create an artist also for each name in the composer tag
Alberto
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