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Well, you may not believe this but I am still running my old Toshiba RD-XS32. I however stumbled back upon this forum and started nosing around. From reading part of the Magnavox thread I quickly became concerned about a replacement for my RD-XS32. It is still working and does everything I want except copy from DVD to HD (maybe it will but I can't figure it out) and except for being overly complicated to operate.

Is the Magnavox the only current new DVR option out there? If not what else might I consider? Are these things really going away? Why?

Thanks for helping me get back up to speed with what is going on!
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Originally Posted by toddreg View Post


Is the Magnavox the only current new DVR option out there? If not what else might I consider?

A DVD recorder with a hard drive? The Magnavox shares a niche market with the international model Panasonics. The Maggy has been updated several times with increasing hard drive sizes up to 1 terabyte, which is pretty darn astonishing considering how small the market is and that it only does standard definition. They're available through WalMart online and other places, and I've seen one in store at a Fry's electronic.

The international Pannys lag a little in hard drive size (I think they top out at 250GB, but that might be plenty for most people), but they make up for it in other features. The Maggy's video editing feature, while useful, is crude compared to the Panasonics. If you're more used to your Toshiba's high powered features, the Panasonic might be more your speed. Some Toshibas set a pretty high bar in that regard. You can find the international Pannys from B&H, World-Import, and maybe a couple other outlets.

But then again, you may find the Magnavox's simpler features more inviting.
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Are these things really going away? Why?

Long story short, the cable DVR and TiVo gobbled up most of the mass market. They record in high def, they have an interface so simple grandmas and hillbillies could use it, and most people were content to record a show, watch it once, and delete it. The fact that cable DVRs are just $10 a month extra on a cable bill also was a factor in selling it.

Remember VCRs? Most of those played back rental tapes or used a couple of blanks for recording the latest episode of Dynasty, and then were taped over. When DVD came out, most people just waited for the show to be released on disc and bought it that way.

Those who record their own shows to DVD were a much smaller market. While VCRs always had a recording feature and archivists could buy the same machines the masses were buying, DVD recorders found themselves only catering to archivists, and that was like fighting with a foot in a bucket. The machines sold rather poorly for several years before Funai took over most of the market share (with Panasonic selling a few here and a few overseas.) There's enough people buying them to sustain a couple of models, but that's about it.

It has been encouraging that Funai (who makes the Magnavox) has not only kept the unit in production, but updated it.
Edited by Tulpa - 8/23/13 at 10:07am
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Are these things really going away? Why?

Not at all, the truth is much worse. They have LONG GONE. There is only one DVD recorder made for the North American market. All the others just disappeared at about the same time. Once there were many, then very few, and now, for the last five years at least, only one. The Panasonic machines that Tulpa mentioned are for the international market. While they do support NTSC, their tuner is unusable in North America, and the warranty is not covered by Panasonic. I have more than one of these, and they are very reliable. As to why: That question has been discussed to death on this forum for a long time a while back when this happened, and there is no real definitive reason. Either the change to all digital transmissions requiring the units to have a digital tuner, or some conspiracy by the content providers, or near complete financial disaster of the products, take your pick. Maybe the problem is all of the above.

The web page to B&H, open box (used) items is here:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=dmr+eh&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=&usedSearch=1

I and jjeff have both purchase open box items from them and have been very satisfied. Oh, and as you see, Tulpa was wrong. The HDD size for the EH59 is 250Gb, bit the EH69 has a 320Gb HDD. I still use my EH75, and its HDD is only 80Gb! I just don't let stuff accumulate.
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

The HDD size for the EH59 is 250Gb, bit the EH69 has a 320Gb HDD.

Ah, good to know. I wasn't 100% sure, but most models I looked up under "Panasonic DVD recorder international" came back as 250GB.

Still a ways off from the Magnavox's 1TB. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by toddreg View Post


Is the Magnavox the only current new DVR option out there? If not what else might I consider? Are these things really going away? Why?

Thanks for helping me get back up to speed with what is going on!

Just go for the Maggy. If you're no happy, go for the CableCard + Home Theather PC route or finally the CableCard + TiVo way.

And yes, the fact that there aren't HDTV + Blue Ray recorders in America, is a bad joke from Greedywood + CableBoxCos + ElectronicCos.
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Originally Posted by profhat View Post

Just go for the Maggy.

The OP, toddreg, currently owns a Toshiba RD-XS32. People migrating from a classic Toshiba XS usually need to be institutionalized and medicated after spending a few hours with a Magnavox, and being told it is the only remaining North American DVD/HDD recorder. While it is true the Panasonic DMR-EH59 is also a poor substitute for a Toshiba XS, it at least manages to get in the same ballpark. The Magnavox is outside the ballpark, on the fringes of the parking lot somewhere. The only ace the Mag has to play is its digital 16:9 tuner: if a prospective buyer can't use an OTA signal, but needs a cable or satellite digital decoder box, the Panasonic DMR-EH59 is the preferable line-input recorder. Esp if you can snag the Panasonic on sale for nearly the same price.

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If you're no happy, go for the CableCard + Home Theather PC route or finally the CableCard + TiVo way.

Very true. The only real replacement for a Toshiba XS is a PC-based DVR (or TiVO+PC). The Toshiba XS was more like a PC than a simple stand-alone recorder in terms of features and operational feel.
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

The HDD size for the EH59 is 250Gb, bit the EH69 has a 320Gb HDD.

Ah, good to know. I wasn't 100% sure, but most models I looked up under "Panasonic DVD recorder international" came back as 250GB.

Still a ways off from the Magnavox's 1TB. biggrin.gif

Hey Tulpa, I'm sorry. When I wrote that you were wrong, I THOUGHT I had but a grin after the statement biggrin.gif so you knew it wasn't a dig, but just a correction. Somehow the grin never made it to the post. I wasn't being critical, but a smart ***. biggrin.gif

And for the record, you are absolutely correct. The 320Gb is a FAR cry from the 1Tb Magnavox. I thought that Panasonic had a model with a 500Gb hard dive a while back, but it appears to have been only 400Gb, still a ways from the 1Tb Maggy.
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No worries. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by profhat View Post

And yes, the fact that there aren't HDTV + Blue Ray recorders in America, is a bad joke from Greedywood + CableBoxCos + ElectronicCos.

It is a business model that says Consumers are commodities just like the products they sell and we do not matter.

The only way to overcome this is for everyone to stop buying their products, movies and services.

But People are sheep and they go where the dog (corporations) push them to and pay and pay and pay thinking they are actually getting something for their money.
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

People migrating from a classic Toshiba XS usually need to be institutionalized and medicated after spending a few hours with a Magnavox, .

Citibear,

I just got out of the institution where I landed after reading the reponses to my OP. With medication I was able to return to the post to reread and digest. Thank you all for getting me back up to speed. I appreciate it. Guess I better find a Panny unit and stick it in the closet for when my XS gives up the ghost. Oh oh, I think I feel an anxiety attack coming on again. tongue.gif
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