Originally Posted by Jinjuku
Originally Posted by LTD02
"I would take the flat packs over the SVS any day! Just my opinion."
apples and oranges. did you read his link to know what he is talking about?
I read what he wrote and you can do better DIY.
Of course one can. My point is that within the stated budget, if high-fidelity reproduction is the goal and one is an established-enough adult that the way things looks actually matters too, it's a close question. IMO, when that is the case, unless one just really enjoys making fine cabinetry as a hobby, the more efficient solution is to buy the off-the-peg part rather than going DIY. Of course, if one has specific aesthetic constraints, either self-imposed or WAF-imposed, in terms of allowable sizes, shapes, and/or finishes, then either building or commissioning bespoke cabinetry makes sense regardless of the extra cost.
And from a value perspective, considering performance, quality, reliability, etc., those particular subs represent serious value. I can unambiguously say that the stuff I currently use disappeared, I'd buy them without thinking twice. I might miss those beautiful pointy-dustcap Aurasound woofers, but sound-wise I expect little to nothing would change.
Originally Posted by MKtheater
Why is it better? On paper? The point of a sub is to move air within its range so I one can do that better it is better. Again, I would rather have my dual horn loaded deltalite 10's running the 300 hz duties anyways.
Do you think crossovers are brick walls? What happens an octave above the passband matters, too.
Originally Posted by zora
My comments pertain to sound quality & output (not mutually exclusive). The OP sounds like he wants a no-holds-bar system, and while I believe you about the SB12-NSD's I still stand by my comments that 4 or more Dayton/SI drivers in flatpacks (just one example) would "outperform" the SVS subs. I guess we can agree to disagree.
Output I'll spot you, although in the real world it's not terribly relevant for most uses. And if you did read the link, you would've noticed a comparison I did between it and an ugly crude air pump, conceding that for some uses - plotless wonder special effects blockbuster films, etc. - the ugly crude air pump is the superior tool for the application. After all, such time-wasters just need clear dialog and big BOOM.
Did I write "not terribly relevant?" Indeed I did. Consider the KEF Reference 207/2, an elite flagship "full range" stereo speaker designed by professional audio engineers to provide full-range performance in a room big enough to comfortably house $20k+ speakers that are almost a yard deep. A few months ago a pair of the bass drivers from that speaker came onto the market, and I bought them because I've long been curious how much volume displacement the best audio engineers think is required for full-scale full-range reproduction in a large room, and a friend has a Klippel tester. What result?
The Revel Salon2? Similar story. TAD Reference One? Probably a bit more volume displacement, but not much more.
Sound quality, I submit that you can equal but not exceed on this budget. Or any other, really. Diminishing returns on sound quality in the deep bass sets in far lower than those of us with multiple kilobucks sunk into subwoofer drive-units wish were true!Edited by DS-21 - 8/30/13 at 4:16pm