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post #151 of 567
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

are you bitstreaming? the ps3 can only do DTS MAN in bitstream when doing 3d, but not trueHD. you can play trueHD in regular 2d only.

that is why you are not getting trueHD with 3d.

Jacob

Thanks Jacob but I am indeed bitstreaming. Upon searching I found out the Slim cannot do 3D DolbyTrueHD at all. Heres a link

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439047/ps3-no-dolby-truehd-7-1-audio-on-3d-blu-rays-playstation-3

Cant believe I never heard of this. Time for an Oppo.
post #152 of 567
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Originally Posted by Reddig View Post

Thanks Jacob but I am indeed bitstreaming. Upon searching I found out the Slim cannot do 3D DolbyTrueHD at all. Heres a link

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439047/ps3-no-dolby-truehd-7-1-audio-on-3d-blu-rays-playstation-3

Cant believe I never heard of this. Time for an Oppo.

glad I could help you on this problem.

the oppo is awesome. I got the 93.

bitstreams true HD and DTSMA in 3d.

Jacob
post #153 of 567
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

The issue is specifically LFE extension due to the steep filter. Level and dynamics are both top notch so those warnings are still worth considering.



You are correct it is quite loud, but definitely not shrill as I've heard. Ralph was right on with his review of both audio and video as it is "reference" for sure. Probably some of the best surround and LFE I've heard this year, even with my crippled sub!
post #154 of 567
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Originally Posted by BornSlippyZ View Post

Looking forward to this and thankfully the BD presentation will be lightyears ahead of my sub-par sound quality experience at my local cinema.

All cinemas I've visited, including IMAX, have sub-par sound quality IMHO. Those who believe the sound was great have lesser quality at home. The 99%.
post #155 of 567
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Originally Posted by Reddig View Post

Thanks Jacob but I am indeed bitstreaming. Upon searching I found out the Slim cannot do 3D DolbyTrueHD at all. Heres a link

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439047/ps3-no-dolby-truehd-7-1-audio-on-3d-blu-rays-playstation-3

Cant believe I never heard of this. Time for an Oppo.

Tell me you're kidding...I've only very recently bought this TV (VT50) which I love, and it's the first one that I've owned that does 3D. I just put together my very modest budget home theater sound system, and only recently even owned any 3D Blu Rays (so damn expensive!). This is only the 3rd 3D title I own. So I can't get HD audio on my 3D?!

I had always heard the PS3 was among the best blu ray players one could own.
post #156 of 567
Im watching this on a 2D redbox rental and having selected the 7.1 option through my ps3 my vsx 1122k only shows a 5.1 TrueHD stream. Any ideas?
post #157 of 567
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

Tell me you're kidding...I've only very recently bought this TV (VT50) which I love, and it's the first one that I've owned that does 3D. I just put together my very modest budget home theater sound system, and only recently even owned any 3D Blu Rays (so damn expensive!). This is only the 3rd 3D title I own. So I can't get HD audio on my 3D?!

I had always heard the PS3 was among the best blu ray players one could own.


It actually is an excellent BD player except for this flaw. Its only with Dolby TrueHD 3D movies. It will do 3D BDs with DTS-HD Master Audio though so you can at least play some if not most of the lossless audio on 3D Blurays. Ive found the majority of 3D BDs have DTS-HD Master Audio.
post #158 of 567
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

glad I could help you on this problem.

the oppo is awesome. I got the 93.

bitstreams true HD and DTSMA in 3d.

Jacob

Nice bro. Im looking into the 103. Once I save up if I can find a cheap 93 may go that route.
post #159 of 567
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Originally Posted by BNestico View Post

Im watching this on a 2D redbox rental and having selected the 7.1 option through my ps3 my vsx 1122k only shows a 5.1 TrueHD stream. Any ideas?

Do you have the rear back surrounds turned on in your AVR?
post #160 of 567
Yes, I've watched other 7.1 stuff. but the lights on the reciever show the source not the output anyway.
post #161 of 567
Whoa no lesser sound here mate. I'm under no illusion my humble HT is IMAX quality. That said it isn't bad biggrin.gif
Edited by comfynumb - 9/10/13 at 7:11pm
post #162 of 567
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Originally Posted by BNestico View Post

Yes, I've watched other 7.1 stuff. but the lights on the reciever show the source not the output anyway.

Not sure than. I have had trouble from rentals only having lossy codecs before when it said it was lossless. Heard others had this problem too but not sure whats up with your case.
post #163 of 567
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Originally Posted by GLBright View Post

All cinemas I've visited, including IMAX, have sub-par sound quality IMHO. Those who believe the sound was great have lesser quality at home. The 99%.

Theres a lot of bad sounding cinemas out there thats for sure but there is also a few incredible sounding ones also. Keep searching until you found a good sounding one. Some megaplexes may only have a couple good sounding rooms and the rest arent worth a damn. Gotta keep looking.
post #164 of 567
SO, I will still get Dolby True 7.1 HD with the 2D disc on my PS3 slim????
post #165 of 567
Problem solved. Had my reciever set to A & B speakers on which shut my rear surrounds off. Guess I'm the still learning stuff about this AVR. It sounded outstanding in 5.1 anyway so it wasn't a total loss.
post #166 of 567
All this talk about sound out of the rears brings up something I've encountered.

I have a 9.1 setup using an Onkyo TX-NR818, running heights and not wides. During ST:ID for example, being that it's a 7.1 blu ray, I hear sound effects coming out of my rears when appropriate, such as an explosion back there etc. But there is no music though like there is it out of the other 7 speakers.

There's alot of music during this movie as you are all probably aware of, but I only hear the music out of all of my speakers EXCEPT for my rear speakers.

Is that normal? It's annoying to have music and sound effects out 7 of my speakers, but just sound effects out of my rears! frown.gif

Any suggestions? I get this no matter what sound program I use. DTS-Neo X, Audessey DSX etc.

I actually just started a thread about this issue in another section of the forum if someone's willing to help me out!

Here... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1490102/whats-the-deal-with-less-sound-coming-out-of-the-rears-in-a-9-1-setup

Thanks! smile.gif
post #167 of 567
Just finished watching both versions. While I did notice the DD 5.1 difference big time in the sound quality on the 3D since I have the PS3, overall I pretty much agree with the review here. Beautiful picture, awesome audio to crank up on my 2D version, and I did think the 3D was the best I've seen yet at home. I almost can't believe it wasn't shot in 3D. The opening sequence in 3D is just great. It's in the top 10 blu rays that I own easily.
post #168 of 567
Finished the 3D version a little while ago... Ralph rocks as always, Josh Z. not even... wink.gif
post #169 of 567
Good to see you appreciating the 3d format. Better late than never.
post #170 of 567
I'm watching the extras on the Target version now and I'm wondering something...in things like the Vengence one, ship to ship, or the Red Planet stuff, I'm seeing them showing a picture that fills up the entire screen. Are these the actual IMAX shots themselves on the extras? I mean they're not on the movie, but if they are then at least they're somewhere on here and I can see what they looked like since I didn't see the movie in IMAX.
post #171 of 567
Wow... This must be a must buy BD in 2013.
Thanks for the review.
post #172 of 567
Does anyone have the Target 3D version and notice a significantly quieter audio during the movie?

I bought the movie this morning and popped it in tonight. The previews and menus were plenty loud, but once the movie started it was significantly quieter. I cranked up my system to a level that should have made my ears bleed and it wasn't enough. I tried to 2D version on it was noticeably louder and more powerful.

I exchanged the disc tonight, but the replacement is exhibiting the exact same phenomenon. It's bad to the point that I don't want to watch the 3D version now. Help!
post #173 of 567
In all reality, THIS MOVIE SUCKED, .....compared to the 2009 Star Trek. JJ may do the same with Star Wars; the first one GREAT, and the second, well, BLAHH....should have rented this one instead of a blind-buy mad.gif
post #174 of 567
I don't know I like them both but they are different. I saw this one (Into Darkness ) in Imax Digital 3d it was pretty good in that format but that was awhile back .
I got my combo set today might spin it up tomorrow
as I recall this one did start out pretty slow . I'll take take another look I have the last one also so maybe I will re visit that also.
post #175 of 567
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Originally Posted by texascoral View Post

Hi Ralph,

You have a sub that goes down pretty low. Mine is only a ported sub tuned at 18hz. but I can tell when the lower stuff is missing. I am obviously not alone in thinking this is not good bass extension. I wonder if this is something you could add to your reviews. I am always disapointed when they filter the ULF. I went in blind again and like the hobbit, avengers ect. I feel a little let down after your great review.

After watching blu-ray I still loved it like I did in the IMAX theater, but man I wish it had a little more on the low end.

Best,

Brad

Greetings,

Hey Brad, I understand your concern however in rating a soundtrack I try to look at it as a whole which does of course include the quality of the bass and how effectively it supports the track's elements. I agree that it is important that low frequency effects not only support the track but also draw us into the film by providing tangible extension capable of energizing the room. This can certainly be achieved with sub bass frequencies that need not extend below 18hz especially considering the fact that the average system isn't capable of reproducing those frequencies. Having said that I will admit to reveling in those rare moments when ultra low frequency content provides bass that flows through the room as if on a soft cushion that palpably attaches itself to anything not securely nailed down.

I will consider adding an additional rating element to my reviews that references this. I am not certain if it will be reflected in the overall score but may be an add on. We'll see...


Regards,
post #176 of 567
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

For anyone interested, the data-bass numbers are in and unfortunately extension is not up to par with the 2009 Trek track. frown.gif ~30hz filter on this one while the 2009 track hit single digits. Definitely not 5 star extension unfortunately. At least what is there is loud.

http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/12-the-low-frequency-content-thread-films-games-music-etc/page-65

Explain "filter" please.

Does that mean you- or someone on the inside- is privy to what the master has on it and it knows that it (LFE) has been clipped off the blu ray release... or that the soundtrack has little or no content below 30hz, straightaway? It's all very confusing to me. confused.gif

If I'm being honest, I think this "GREAT bass soundtracks need 3-15hz extension" has gone completely off the rails and into the stratosphere and I (and others) am infinitely tired of hearing about this "filtering" that no one provides an ounce of evidence for...they just simply proclaim it's going on when they discover that software "x" doesn't reveal sub 20hz content and everyone's supposed to take it at face value. Go figure. rolleyes.gif The balance of us- who understand the real meat potatoes is found between 20 and 60hz- just suffer in ignorance and enjoy these great bass flicks I guess...again, go figure.

Again, thus far I have seen virtually no evidence of this going on, sans -literally- a few titles...Master and Commander on the BD side, for instance.

thanks in advance for objective, verifiable information that can substantiate this filtering outbreak. I for one DO have a system readily capable of producing this, so I'll head that angle off right from the jump with this shameless link of thy rig, sorry...

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc413/mastermaybe/5FAECF6F-6ADA-4D42-9ABC-F4B7BA27BDD4-1003-00000128A894EEAF_zps1801edfe.jpg

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 9/11/13 at 6:15am
post #177 of 567
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Originally Posted by Toknowshita View Post

Ralph,

I haven't seen the disc yet. So I am not saying it isn't a reference video release. I don't watch the bitrate meter when viewing a disc, but I am surprised how low the average bitrate is on the release. It just seems as the format has matured the average bitrate is getting lower on many newer big release titles.

I just feel if there is space on the disc let the movie take up as much room as possible. I have a feeling since the Target disc is moving all the extras from the standard release over to the bonus disc with additional features that they are giving that version more room to breathe. Paramount did the same with the Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol Best Buy exclusive.

We will see, but could the Target version be better than 100/100 of the standard release? biggrin.gif

Tok

I would absolutely LOVE to execute some blind ABX testing to verify this "let it breathe/lowered bit rate" point of view. I am 100% confident no one can or would discern the difference on the audio side (and pretty much 100% confident on the video as well at normal viewing distances or closer, still). 100% confident.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 9/11/13 at 6:03am
post #178 of 567
So it looks like they just did the reverse on the two Star Trek movies
Star Trek
Level - 3 Stars (264.2dBHz) a surprise!
Extension - 5 Stars (2Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.0dB) 2nd Highest Recorded Yet!

Star Trek ITD
Level - 5 Stars (113.27dB composite!)
Extension - 3 Stars (19Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.96dB!)

So we went from a score of "3 to Level 5" on level and we went from "5 to 3" on extension. With the dynamics being a little bit more on ITD. I know there are some movies that have both but it seems that if we have to have one, people would rather have extension then level. Now these filters aren't brick walls right? I mean, there could be content lower then 19hz on ITD, it's just not a high level correct. I am still looking forward to this because I am curious how it will sound and feel in my system.
post #179 of 567
^ Again, where's the evidence that these "filters" exist in the first place...or, at least are remotely implemented with any sort of discern or rigor?

Is it unimaginable that- for a MYRIAD of reasons- one film has lower and/or more frequent low extension than another, straightaway, without having a single connection to this assuaged "filtering"?

Tell me where I'm going wrong, please. It's an honest question. If one has zero access to the original masters and their levels/response how on earth could one make any kind of valid claims re their (proposed) differences (between the master and BD)?

James
post #180 of 567
James. my post was not to imply there was a filter in place. I don't think I said that. I only thought it was interesting that the two things people are talking about, extension and level flipped from one movie to the other that's all. I was not trying to confront you. I agree that there could be many reasons for why one sound track has one level and another film has another level. Again, I just thought the flipping of the numbers was interesting that's all and I never said in my post that there was a filter.
BTW I have a Crowson transducer that lets you feel down to 5Hz so if there is anything there, I will get it. Trust me, it really works smile.gif. I also agree that a film doesn't need to get down to 5Hz in order to enjoy it. I have enjoyed many films that if I look on the Data Bass site don't seem to go that low. But they are still fun for me in my system.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/11/13 at 6:48am
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