What a FUN double feature! I thought PQ was better overall on part 2, but everything else was better about part 1. I thoroughly enjoyed both films and again what a great HT double feature IMO.
As far as the audio between the two, the first is clearly the more refined overall better quality audio track. The first film you feel like you can just keep turning up the volume, it has more depth, feels more dynamic and the extension is noticeably better. The best way I can describe it with my setup is when you get that full range low end from the first, there is this shuttering type effect that is just not there with the 2nd film, and my buttkickers were being driven harder and with a bit more action/wobble if I had to describe it. Not to mention my BKs actually bottomed out quite a few times with the first film which really only happens with the better extending tracks, and even with the 2nd film being noticeably louder (more on this in a minute) my transducers were never pushed close to their limits. Just listen to the opening scene of part 1 vs anything in part 2 and if your low end digs down deep enough, you should be able to tell a difference with part 1 being superior.
People were not kidding when they say this track is LOUD! I watched the first film 2.5db louder than my standard -1 from reference at +1.5 and while loud, it was still very comfortable due to what felt like better dynamic range between more quiet scenes and action scenes. Trek 2 I turned down again to my normal -1 from reference and it was noticeably louder overall vs the first film. It actually felt a bit harsh at times as you could tell it was being pushed to the limit and the highs became a bit piercing on numerous occasions. It actually reminded me of the track from Pandorum as that track has a similar harshness to it that I rarely get with my setup.
Having said the above, I still thoroughly enjoyed the audio experience since I like highly aggressive audio in general so the warts mentioned above were a fairly minor issue overall for me. I would absolutely love to hear this track with the extension back in as it would give it that last bit of needed weight and conviction like the first film. The bass that was there though was still a LOT of fun IMO, hit hard and landed in all the right places so it was FAR from the total loss that some have eluded to IMO.
I can honestly understand both sides of this since like a lot of issues with A/V, some people are just more sensitive vs others depending on the issue. I can fully understand Ralph's enthusiastic review and I can also understand those who are disappointed. I fall somewhere in the middle of these overall and all things considered. One thing is for sure though and that is the track has relatively disappointing extension (again, just listen to the opening scene in the first vs anything in the 2nd) and gets pushed over the limit numerous times due to how hard the levels are driven in general resulting in harshness, compression and clipping. I cant think of a soundtrack that is mastered this loud overall in my entire collection which is not really a good thing for the reasons mentioned above. Again though, I still enjoyed it overall even in light of the fact that it was not technically as good as it could and should have been.
No qualms about the 2d PQ as it was fantastic.
Looking forward to checking out the 3d next.
Originally Posted by keilalajlb
I suspect HDD has sour grapes regarding them movie. Sounded very biased from the start against this movie, and seems to have tainted the review of the AV as well.
Nope. Read through Josh's review history and you will find quite a few movies with even lower movie ratings that scored higher technically vs STID. I thought Josh had some very valid and understandable critiques as far as the audio went.
Originally Posted by comfynumb
So basically there are 15 or 20 AV enthusiasts (not one professional reviewer) talking about clipping. Because that review link you posted mentions no word of clipping. I'll even go as far to say that some just didn't find this movie appealing, or not worthy of the Star Trek name, therefore it's much easier to pick it apart. But since you and a few others heard clipping well there must be clipping. I'll ask again, at what point of the movie is there clipping so I and others can go investigate? I'm not claiming this is a 5 star, end all soundtrack with no flaws just that I never heard any clipping or shrill.
I don't think you are being fair here Comfy. If you want EXACT timestamps of clipping, make a post over at db and Nube or Maxmercy will provide that for you I am sure. I can give spots where I heard it if I run through parts again, but it would be easier and more specific if you ask them. I am usually not sensitive to clipping and honestly it still did not bother me much here, but its there as this track is pushed beyond the limit numerous times throughout and is LOUD, LOUD, LOUD.Edited by Toe - 9/13/13 at 2:37am