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post #391 of 567
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Here's a down and dirty Voice Memo capture from my iPhone - listen for the hard clipping sounds in the middle - its much worse when listening for real

This is when the Vengeance hits the water....

STID clipping.m4a.zip 73k .zip file

Greetings,

Greg, I don't hear that in my room..


Regards,
post #392 of 567
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

Greg, I don't hear that in my room..


Regards,

Right, so some real weirdness in different decodes...I notice another Marantz owner (7701) posted he thought it was great....

I will contact McIntosh tomorrow to see what they might say, and give some other titles a listen. But if no other 7.1 TrueHD disc exhibits this, its a really unique issue...
post #393 of 567
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

On the dark side of the moon cd?

Transformers wink.gif
post #394 of 567
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Transformers wink.gif



Lol! Same initials!
post #395 of 567
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Right, so some real weirdness in different decodes...I notice another Marantz owner (7701) posted he thought it was great....

I will contact McIntosh tomorrow to see what they might say, and give some other titles a listen. But if no other 7.1 TrueHD disc exhibits this, its a really unique issue...

After listening to both and as I've come to find from careful a/b of Lpcm and bitstream the major difference that stands out is in the center channel the sound is more crisp via bitstream with the lpcm sounding a bit lower in level thus yielding a smoother less defined sound, neither produced the clipping sound but overall the bitstream to the 8801 yielded the better presentation for me with that extra bit of impact ( which lended a better integration with the on screen effects) that is heard from all channels in a more shall we say the same manner.

So I guess this is coming down to a decoder issue, as the findings thus far from the Oppo 105/103 ( and perhaps 93/95) and Marantz 8801/7701 not clipping in the digital domain or just handling it better!

therefore is Lpcm in the player the safe bet for some?
post #396 of 567
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Lol! Same initials!

Transformers is just Dark of the Moon, but people seem to like to put the "side" in there thinking of the Pink Floyd album I assume. tongue.gif
post #397 of 567
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Transformers is just Dark of the Moon, but people seem to like to put the "side" in there thinking of the Pink Floyd album I assume. tongue.gif



Yes my antenna went up on that one smile.gif
post #398 of 567
So I listened to portions of Transformers Dark of the Moon, MI Ghost Protocol, and A Nightmare Before Christmas, and they all sounded great during the segments I listened to.

However, Super 8 had the same harsh hard clipping during the train crash sequence (happens to be another JJJ Abrahams directed title....)

Not sure what to make of this...
post #399 of 567
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Transformers is just Dark of the Moon, but people seem to like to put the "side" in there thinking of the Pink Floyd album I assume. tongue.gif

Ah! come on, really guys! I have an out rolleyes.gif its only because I've been meaning to buy Pink Floyd DSOTM for many years and haven't gotten around to it yet and the subliminal message in my head pops up when I least expect tongue.gifbiggrin.gif
post #400 of 567
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

So I listened to portions of Transformers Dark of the Moon, MI Ghost Protocol, and A Nightmare Before Christmas, and they all sounded great during the segments I listened to.

However, Super 8 had the same harsh hard clipping during the train crash sequence (happens to be another JJJ Abrahams directed title....)

Not sure what to make of this...

I think he favors something closer or the actual Theatrical mix vs. the Near field wink.gif
post #401 of 567
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Ah! come on, really guys! I have an out rolleyes.gif its only because I've been meaning to buy Pink Floyd DSOTM for many years and haven't gotten around to it yet and the subliminal message in my head pops up when I least expect tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

Off topic, but I think you said you had an Oppo 103? If so, you have SACD playback so make SURE you get the SACD of DSOTM which will blow your MIND! eek.gif Also pick up Wish You Were Here SACD which sounds as good or better. Both are jaw dropping 5.1 mixes/recordings though sitting in the sweet spot of your HT! cool.gif Crank both up to 0.0 and prepare to be floored!
post #402 of 567
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Are you doing a pro review of the new Yamaha Dave?

Yep.
post #403 of 567
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Off topic, but I think you said you had an Oppo 103? If so, you have SACD playback so make SURE you get the SACD of DSOTM which will blow your MIND! eek.gif Also pick up Wish You Were Here SACD which sounds as good or better. Both are jaw dropping 5.1 mixes/recordings though sitting in the sweet spot of your HT! cool.gif Crank both up to 0.0 and prepare to be floored!

I know I know I feel so guilty for not having it in my collection eek.gif as I listen to mostly sacd , its on my shortlist and will be sure to add it on my next set of purchases and yes I have the Oppo 105 wink.gif
post #404 of 567
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Ah! come on, really guys! I have an out rolleyes.gif its only because I've been meaning to buy Pink Floyd DSOTM for many years and haven't gotten around to it yet and the subliminal message in my head pops up when I least expect tongue.gifbiggrin.gif



Get the SACD, back on topic biggrin.gif


http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00008CLOA/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1379281273&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX110_SY165
post #405 of 567
Reved up the AC (no central air here) and when the room was a reasonable temp, put on the Trek. Here are my findings: If you don't have a dedicated theater room you may want one. biggrin.gif Sound is an improvement over the theater as far imaging, sweep, and sound field. Elements of the score are not as buried and it's easier to hear the musicians at work. In order to get the the wump factor there is some compression at work and the upper bass is more pushed vs going lower. The same thing was done in the theater when I saw the film. Be careful not to turn up the volume too much in the more reserved scenes (when things don't blow up) otherwise...biggrin.gif.
The mix is not perfect but it's fun and serves the film. Best thing I can say about this film as it will remind you why you have all the home theater equipment you do, and will make you want to play more films for your system. So warn your neighbors or have them over (your choice) and enjoy. smile.gif
post #406 of 567
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The subject of ULF filters came up after the blu-ray release of Transformers 3 in 2011 and there were accusations it was intentionally filtered. I felt there was only one way to settle the argument, so I contacted the mixer for the movie, Greg P Russell. When I spoke to him on the phone I asked if he filtered below 20Hz his response was "Hell no!".

That's good to hear. He must be one of the good ones. Plus no way Michael Bay would let one of his action movies not have a super aggressive sound mixer as G. Russel seems to be sometimes. As I said before its not an industry wide problem just some studios seem to do it. I'm tired of speaking for others tho so I'm not gunna talk anymore of this subject here.
post #407 of 567
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Can someone tell me what he means by a DCP copy is? Does he mean digital copy?

Sure. DCP stands for Digital Cinema Package. He is referring to the theatrical audio. DCP is basically a root file of the audio and video of a theatrical release and how a digital cinema recieves it's movie either by a hard drive or internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package
Edited by Reddig - 9/15/13 at 11:21pm
post #408 of 567
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Sure. DCP stands for Digital Cinema Package. He is referring to the theatrical audio. DCP is basically a root file of the audio and video of a theatrical release and how a digital cinema recieves it's movie either by a hard drive or internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package



Hi, it sounds like he is sayings the DCP is much better than the blu ray copy. Thanks.
post #409 of 567
We watched our 2d disc out of the 3d set purchased from Best Buy last night and both audio and video were reference quality in my theater.
post #410 of 567
While technically this was excellent, I was disappointed as it was a dressed up, old theme. I hope something more original comes to a franchise, that has so much promise.
post #411 of 567
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We watched our 2d disc out of the 3d set purchased from Best Buy last night and both audio and video were reference quality in my theater.

Greetings,

Glad to hear you enjoyed it Ed. smile.gif


Regards,
post #412 of 567
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While technically this was excellent, I was disappointed as it was a dressed up, old theme. I hope something more original comes to a franchise, that has so much promise.

Greetings,

I can understand your reaction Warren and like you I look forward to the next installment hoping it lives up to the franchises potential.


Regards,
post #413 of 567
I for one would pay several times in the theater and buy the bluray even if they cranked out two or three of these a year. ( can you tell I m a fan?)
post #414 of 567
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Originally Posted by edfowler View Post

I for one would pay several times in the theater and buy the bluray even if they cranked out two or three of these a year. ( can you tell I m a fan?)



Yep I can tell smile.gif
They left this wide open at the end for the 3rd installment, anything can happen. Lets count the federations enemies shall we? biggrin.gif
Edited by comfynumb - 9/16/13 at 1:46pm
post #415 of 567
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Here's a down and dirty Voice Memo capture from my iPhone - listen for the hard clipping sounds in the middle - its much worse when listening for real

This is when the Vengeance hits the water....

STID clipping.m4a.zip 73k .zip file

I don´t hear this in my setup.
post #416 of 567
no issues with the dolby digital 5.1 lossy audio when viewing into darkness 3d on ps3....3d looks great and much sharper than the blurry imax 3d i saw in the movies....it's less louder than imax sound but much clearer. The ultraviolet version of into darkness aint hd but very blurry and will consume 1.4 gb of android and ios devices when downloading....bonus features can be streamed via the Paramount Movies app, which is ok on my gs3 but a bit laggy. As for the itunes digital copy, like the previous Star Trek film, is in HD quality but with a bonus....picture in picture commentary by the creators plus the Imax version of the film. The commentary can be only be seen on the computer or Apple TV, not on ipod touch. The version i got from amazon was the three disc set (blu ray 3d, bluray 2d plus bonus features, and dvd). The slip inside contains the code for both uv and dc, and on the back is an ad for Paramount blurays. Not only does amazon have that version, but into darkness 2d bluray, and the collector's edition featuring a starship like the last star trek movie. What a shame that JJ won't direct star trek 3 because of episode vii...as for the movie, it's a great movie. Screw the trekkies who hated this movie as much as star trek v. This movie's effects could win some oscar love, but watch out for gravity!!!
post #417 of 567
Another man's garbage is another man's treasure. No need to worry... although Abrams won' t return, he is producing and the hacks responsible for this nonsensical story will bring you another in Star Trek 3. Enjoy.
post #418 of 567
I really want to see Star Trek return to tv...maybe on Showtime? CBS Studios owns the rights to the tv properties, so that makes sense.
post #419 of 567
Pretty harsh Gary.
Edited by comfynumb - 9/16/13 at 4:10pm
post #420 of 567
Since I flip flopped on my opinion of the soundtrack in this movie I need to clear the air. I stick by first assessment and think that it was indeed reference, there was no shrill and no clipping while played through my setup. Maybe a little loud but that's why we have volume buttons and honestly I liked the fact that I didn't struggle with the dialogue like I do with some releases. IMO it looks like this is player or processing dependent.
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