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The other day i was checking how was the market in AVR's....there is the New Yamaha 5000 Series Pre/Pro, etc...but nono of them comes close in power to the Susano. It's incredible.
Everyday i most think that i have a very special piece...
post #242 of 329
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So i made my order again for the Klipsch Reference set to my living room.

Now for the dedicated Home Theater i've looked to many speakers until now, including B&W...but i am also considering Kef Reference.
I would love to hear them, but it's nearly impossible in my area, because it's not a speaker that sells alot around here.
Any toughts?

Also checked the EMOTIVA Amps. How good do they sound? Do they're sound quality can be compared to ATI or Parasound?

Do they shipp to Europe?
Edited by MV_Cinema - 9/7/13 at 8:51am
post #243 of 329
Emotiva sound just the same as the other amps, just cheaper. And yes, they ship to Europe. The only thing is you have to supply the power cord for the amp.
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Originally Posted by MV_Cinema View Post

So i made my order again for the Klipsch Reference set to my living room.

Now for the dedicated Home Theater i've looked to many speakers until now, including B&W...but i am also considering Kef Reference.
I would love to hear them, but it's nearly impossible in my area, because it's not a speaker that sells alot around here.
Any toughts?

Also checked the EMOTIVA Amps. How good do they sound? Do they're sound quality can be compared to ATI or Parasound?

Do they shipp to Europe?

Emo amps are nice for the price but dont sound as good as a higher end amp imo. My B&K amp sounds more refined and warm than my last emo amp (xpa-5).
post #245 of 329
The cost to ship would probably take away the great value they have. My guess you can get somthing local thats better and the same price (after cost to ship).
post #246 of 329
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

Emo amps are nice for the price but dont sound as good as a higher end amp imo. My B&K amp sounds more refined and warm than my last emo amp (xpa-5).
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The cost to ship would probably take away the great value they have. My guess you can get somthing local thats better and the same price (after cost to ship).


So for the dedicated Home Theater what should i buy? I already have a Processor in mind, the Datasat RS20i, but since their amp costs a fortune, it would be interesting to buy an amp for the same level, at a lower price.
Their amp has 300watts per channel, and oozes quality. I would like something similar.

As for speakers, i will use B&W 800's or Kef...Kef Reference are very tempting...
post #247 of 329
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Emo amps are nice for the price but dont sound as good as a higher end amp imo. My B&K amp sounds more refined and warm than my last emo amp (xpa-5).

Was the B&K the only thing that you swapped out in the system? Just curious as I once had B&K and Sherbourn. Kept the Sherbourne.
post #248 of 329
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Was the B&K the only thing that you swapped out in the system? Just curious as I once had B&K and Sherbourn. Kept the Sherbourne.

You know i read lots of things before i make decisions, but opinions from wise people, people with experience are very important to me.
Everything i read here i try to take something positive, and helps me alot on my decisions.

I've went trough very brands, but i am decided to make a more "refined" space, if you know what i mean. I've considered Klipsch THX Ultra2, B&K, and all of those sets are amazing, no doubts about it, but...amazing for the cost.

Kef Reference or B&W 800 Series are another dimension, and those working with a good Processor and proper power will provide me a stunning experience, i will reach the "Nirvana" sound for sure.

As for Amps, if what some say it's true, that all amps sound the same, it has to do with power, i would prefer to save some dollars, and instead of investing in the RA7300 from Datasat, buy Emotivas, or ATI.

If there are differences, and to be honnest, i think there may be some diferences, i jump directly to Datasat.

My main doubt here are the Speakers..never heard Kef Reference. I know that they're lower series are nothing special, at least they weren't 4 years ago. 4 yesars ago i've bought some Monitor Audio RX Silver set over Kef because Kef wasn't that great. Later i've sold the Monitor Audio and changed to Klipsch.

Now when we talk about their Reference set, it's another story.
post #249 of 329
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

Was the B&K the only thing that you swapped out in the system? Just curious as I once had B&K and Sherbourn. Kept the Sherbourne.

Yes i had both amps at the same time for a bit tell the xpa-5 sold. Same system same room same everything. The plan was to try it and if it was no better than the emo then i would have sold the b&K. I bought the B&K 200.7 s2 used. I also have a Sherboure amp that i run in a 2ch that is nice.
post #250 of 329
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Originally Posted by MV_Cinema View Post


So for the dedicated Home Theater what should i buy? I already have a Processor in mind, the Datasat RS20i, but since their amp costs a fortune, it would be interesting to buy an amp for the same level, at a lower price.
Their amp has 300watts per channel, and oozes quality. I would like something similar.

As for speakers, i will use B&W 800's or Kef...Kef Reference are very tempting...

Well i know you don't like used but amps are pretty bullet proof. You can get some really good amps for cheap used.

Emo had really nice amps for the cost. I paid 717 brand new to my door a few years ago tell they started jacking the prices up. Now basically that same amp costs 1k. Not sure how they justify it but i guess supply and demand biggrin.gif. Its still not a bad deal but thats a pretty big mark up imo for basically the same amp (i know they painted it black and lowered the gain and used better parts). Which is funny because they used to sell the high gain as a selling point and now they are selling the lower gain as a selling point eek.gif.

But even with that said If I was buying a new amp today i would still probably buy an emo or a outlaw. But i wouldn't buy one new unless it was like half off. So I would go used for a power amp. If i was you.
Edited by Reference_head - 9/7/13 at 11:42am
post #251 of 329
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Originally Posted by MV_Cinema View Post

You know i read lots of things before i make decisions, but opinions from wise people, people with experience are very important to me.
Everything i read here i try to take something positive, and helps me alot on my decisions.

I've went trough very brands, but i am decided to make a more "refined" space, if you know what i mean. I've considered Klipsch THX Ultra2, B&K, and all of those sets are amazing, no doubts about it, but...amazing for the cost.

Kef Reference or B&W 800 Series are another dimension, and those working with a good Processor and proper power will provide me a stunning experience, i will reach the "Nirvana" sound for sure.

As for Amps, if what some say it's true, that all amps sound the same, it has to do with power, i would prefer to save some dollars, and instead of investing in the RA7300 from Datasat, buy Emotivas, or ATI.

If there are differences, and to be honnest, i think there may be some diferences, i jump directly to Datasat.

My main doubt here are the Speakers..never heard Kef Reference. I know that they're lower series are nothing special, at least they weren't 4 years ago. 4 yesars ago i've bought some Monitor Audio RX Silver set over Kef because Kef wasn't that great. Later i've sold the Monitor Audio and changed to Klipsch.

Now when we talk about their Reference set, it's another story.

I dont think all amps sound the same as i have said 20 times on this thread lol biggrin.gif. But.. I personally would never spend 5k on a power amp. You would never get 4k worth better than say an emo amp for 1k. Your return isn't it worth it imo. I would much rather spend that extra 4k on speakers or projector upgrade or better subs if you needed them. So i do agree with most that 5k power amps are a waste In my system.

But..... if you want that extra level of refined sound and 4k to you is pocket change. Then by all means. I think people on these forums can get way to caught up in whats a good value to them and not understand that to some people 5k is a days work (i wish that was me). And they want the best not the best value but the best. biggrin.gif I personally would only spend 1k or so on a power amp. biggrin.gif (in MY system)
Edited by Reference_head - 9/7/13 at 12:05pm
post #252 of 329
Just to add to that If i had unlimited money from the start. Meaning money was endless no matter what. I wouldn't have bought one piece of gear i own right now. If money grew on trees for me every part of my set up would be different. And if people are being truthful i think most would agree.

So you have to be careful when getting advise from me or anyone else. Some people save all year to buy a $200 blu ray player. Some people spend $200 on dinner every night.

Now that doesn't mean rich people know everything so only listen to them wink.gif. Lol no no It just means if someone says its a waste of money (to them) It does not mean its a waste a of money period.

I know someone now will post 1 million dollar speaker cables and ask "are these a waste of money" eek.gif. Yes to me they are.
post #253 of 329
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Originally Posted by MV_Cinema View Post


So for the dedicated Home Theater what should i buy? I already have a Processor in mind, the Datasat RS20i, but since their amp costs a fortune, it would be interesting to buy an amp for the same level, at a lower price.
Their amp has 300watts per channel, and oozes quality. I would like something similar.

As for speakers, i will use B&W 800's or Kef...Kef Reference are very tempting...

Having quality components is great, but if something costs 5 times what something else does and you can't hear the difference, then there is no point in using the higher quality components. Amps are amps. There isn't a bit of sonic difference between good amps. Most all real experts agree and they have the science to back it up, not just opinion.
post #254 of 329
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Having quality components is great, but if something costs 5 times what something else does and you can't hear the difference, then there is no point in using the higher quality components. Amps are amps. There isn't a bit of sonic difference between good amps. Most all real experts agree and they have the science to back it up, not just opinion.

Not everyone agrees on what a good amp is. Just because someone says all good amps sound the same (i don't agree) doesn't mean emo is in that category.

Not sure why people would buy emo then. If amps are amps then emo is a big waste of money. You can get way more power for less than half what emo costs. biggrin.gif
post #255 of 329
If you noticed, I said all good amps. As long as it isnt a total piece of junk then there is no point in spending a bunch of money on an amp.
post #256 of 329
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If you noticed, I said all good amps. As long as it isnt a total piece of junk then there is no point in spending a bunch of money on an amp.

He is saying:
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Emo amps are nice for the price but dont sound as good as a higher end amp imo. My B&K amp sounds more refined and warm than my last emo amp (xpa-5).
post #257 of 329
And I"m saying, the difference he thinks he's hearing is all in his head
post #258 of 329
Base on science all amps should have a extremely flat response..... if it is not like that ,then something have been altered to not have a flat frequency.


A altered amp is not a good choice, The amp should have a flat response.
Edited by losservatore - 9/7/13 at 2:28pm
post #259 of 329
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What do you guys think about RBH Speakers compared to Kef Refence and B&W Diamonds?


I am comparing the RBH SX8300 Tower and all matching Center and Surrounds, with Kef Reference 205/2 and B&W 803 Diamond with all matching surrounds and centers.

I would like so much to consider the EMOTIVA XPR-2 (Fronts) and XPR-5 (Center and Surrounds) with an amazing 600 and 400 watts per channel, but i read several complaints that they don't work well with 220volts...
Edited by MV_Cinema - 9/7/13 at 2:12pm
post #260 of 329
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And I"m saying, the difference he thinks he's hearing is all in his head

Of course you are--Now you know why he has me blocked. wink.gif If you want to be not too far behind recommend he take it to the Audio Theory and Chat section. Then he is going to tell you that you take this stuff way too seriously...For the record, he has already responded to you on this assertion a few pages back.
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Your not wrong to think they sound the same. But you are wrong to tell me that its just in my head. If you think coke and pepsi taste the same that's your deal. But I'm not going to tell you its all in your head. Im just going to say its strange because most people i know think amps can and do sound a little different.
post #261 of 329
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What do you guys think about RBH Speakers compared to Kef Refence and B&W Diamonds?


I am comparing the RBH SX8300 Tower and all matching Center and Surrounds, with Kef Reference 205/2 and B&W 803 Diamond with all matching surrounds and centers.

I would like so much to consider the EMOTIVA XPR-2 (Fronts) and XPR-5 (Center and Surrounds) with an amazing 600 and 400 watts per channel, but i read several complaints that they don't work well with 220volts...

It shouldn't make any difference whether its 120V or 220V, as long as they put a good tranformer in it.

The RBH speakers have a dome tweeter which arent the best for HT. They tend to start breaking up as you approach reference levels. Horns mated to compression drivers work best for HT.
post #262 of 329
Some of you may or may not remember this. Bob carver made his name back in the 80s. He challenged stereo review that he could make any amp with a little time sound the same (not as good) the SAME. He said he could make any amp for less and give it the same SOUND SIGNATURES that the top brands where know for (gezz how are they know for it if it doesn't exists) ALL amps give a tonal signature weather they should or not they do. ANY body that builds amps will tell you this if he's being honest.

Any ways they did the challenge and the whole challenge was to see if he could make an amp and give it the same SIGNATURE sound. This is stereo review and bob carver (who joined emo) here doing this. Not only did they do this but both parties ended up suing each other over the whole thing in one form or another

Now if all amps sound the same and everyone in the world who knows anything knows that. Then why in the world would anyone bother with this challenge????? They wouldn't because it would be pointless. biggrin.gif

If you told bob carver all amps sounded the same he would sit down blind folded and pic one amp out after another by name. biggrin.gif. And that sir is a fact lol
post #263 of 329
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Base on science all amps should have a extremely flat response..... if it is not like that ,then something have been altered to not have a flat frequency.


A altered amp is not a good choice, The amp should have a flat response.

And all amps are a little tweaked to the sound the way they want. Thats my point. Building amps cd players what ever its people building it how they want it. Not how people say it should be. Its not apples on a tree. smile.gif

All speakers should be flat. Same thing just a different scale

You say all amps should be flat like its the law and if they aren't flat they cant put them on the market. If that was true you would have a point
Edited by Reference_head - 9/7/13 at 3:39pm
post #264 of 329
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It shouldn't make any difference whether its 120V or 220V, as long as they put a good tranformer in it.

The RBH speakers have a dome tweeter which arent the best for HT. They tend to start breaking up as you approach reference levels. Horns mated to compression drivers work best for HT.

So better go with Kef or B&W's right?

I don't know about Emotiva, but people compalint they don't work well at 220v...strange thing!!!!

I've wrote an email at Emotiva, let's see what they have to say about this issue...
post #265 of 329
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Originally Posted by MV_Cinema View Post

What do you guys think about RBH Speakers compared to Kef Refence and B&W Diamonds?


I am comparing the RBH SX8300 Tower and all matching Center and Surrounds, with Kef Reference 205/2 and B&W 803 Diamond with all matching surrounds and centers.

I would like so much to consider the EMOTIVA XPR-2 (Fronts) and XPR-5 (Center and Surrounds) with an amazing 600 and 400 watts per channel, but i read several complaints that they don't work well with 220volts...

Google Emotiva hiss and static problems. eek.gif

Sure that amp sounds as good as any amp on the plant rolleyes.gif
Edited by Reference_head - 9/7/13 at 3:40pm
post #266 of 329
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Google Emotiva hiss and static problems. eek.gif

Sure that amps sounds as good as any amp on the plant rolleyes.gif

LOL
post #267 of 329
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And I"m saying, the difference he thinks he's hearing is all in his head


Would love proof of that please. And i don't mean a link of peoples opinions. Because if you want to do that i will fill 10 pages of links of people who say your wrong wink.gif

So keep it to facts please and show me proof that an emo xpa-5 sounds the same as a B&K 200.7 s2. Pretty sure you cant so please don't speak for me and say its in my head. I just got blasted for saying your silly right?
post #268 of 329
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Guess i better consider what my initial toughts told me, Parasound or the Datasat RA7300, otherwise i will take my chances to buy something that will make me think how to get rid of it in a second, and i really don't have time to put things at ebay and wait to sell, and all that stuff.
post #269 of 329
Don't let them fool you MV_Cinema. Most of the people who say they all sound the same read it online. smile.gif
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