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post #31 of 111
no I don't have any paid for package. the rule I was referring to is this: if the eagles are at home at 1pm on fox, cbs cant show another game at 1 in philly.
post #32 of 111
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Originally Posted by lovekeiiy View Post

The rules are actually pretty simple in regards to blackout rules for online video. If it is on your local TV, then it's blacked out. ................
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I'm assuming the DirectTV service is only available in the USA, so trying to spoof location isn't going to work. For local games that are not nationally televised, such as Monday Night Football, if you can get get an IP outside your area, say Los Angeles, you'll be able to watch the game. I suggest using a VPN service. .

Monday Night Football or any other nationally televised games are not available on Sunday Ticket. Only Sunday afternoon games, and maybe Thursday night NFL channel games. In fact, when a game ends early and they start showing the end of another game, that game becomes unavailable on Sunday Ticket.

Spoofing IP via VPN would theoretically only help you get your local game, which you'd be better off watching OTA.
post #33 of 111
In my case I have basic cable so I get the local fox and CBS and NBC games as part of my basic Comcast package ......

It's the other games I want to see ....
post #34 of 111
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I am not sure if I want to keep the game or not... I might try it then sell it. lol

I don't even have an Xbox or PS, just bought it for the NFL Sunday Ticket access since it was such a sweet deal...
post #35 of 111
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In my case I have basic cable so I get the local fox and CBS and NBC games as part of my basic Comcast package

It says you live in Massachusetts, so that would be Patriots home media market. If they're playing at Gillette on CBS at 1pm, Fox won't show an NFC game. This is what bummed me out - I never realized that before.

Now if you had Sunday Ticket you could get anything not Patriots or nationally televised in your area.
post #36 of 111
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The rules are actually pretty simple in regards to blackout rules for online video. If it is on your local TV, then it's blacked out. Thus, if you're in Pittsburgh area, all Steeler games will be blacked out; I assume some local channel airs all their games. The exception, if the game is blacked outed on local TV because of the NFL's blackout rules, it'll still be blacked out.

There may be some exceptions for some of the national games such as Monday Night football, but there would be because of some other arrangements between the NFL, DirectTV and whatever channel carries it, in my possible example, ESPN.

I'm assuming the DirectTV service is only available in the USA, so trying to spoof location isn't going to work. For local games that are not nationally televised, such as Monday Night Football, if you can get get an IP outside your area, say Los Angeles, you'll be able to watch the game. I suggest using a VPN service. There are some free services, which I don't know how well will work for you. If you're able to shut down the VPN after launching the DirectTV service, then that may be a good solution for you. I believe the DirectTV has some kind of mobile app. If so, and you can connect your mobile to your TV, you could try to see if you can use a GPS spoofer to achieve the same thing. Some mobile apps will check for the IP or both IP and GPS to make sure you're out of market.

I live in Denver & my OTA antenna gets me every single Broncos game in HD, even Monday & Thursday nights-maybe because they are sold out... If you are in a good location get a good HD Antenna for $50 and you are good to go! Now the NFL Sunday Ticket pretty much covers all of the rest.
post #37 of 111
What network are Monday night games on? The only option would be ABC, and that seems odd. Thursday night NFL Network games would be shown on your CBS affiliate for AFC home markets, and I guess on Fox for NFC markets.
post #38 of 111
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What network are Monday night games on?

MNF is on ESPN now (part of ABC Family).

I believe, and I need to confirm, that the nationally televised games are streamed live online through the respective websites.

NFL.com for Thursday night games
NBC.com for Sunday Night games

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WatchESPN.com for Monday Night Football, but it appears you need to login with your service provider.
Edited by wiley165 - 9/12/13 at 7:53am
post #39 of 111
But he said he gets them OTA
post #40 of 111
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MNF is on ESPN now (part of ABC Family).

I believe, and I need to confirm, that the nationally televised games are streamed live online through the respective websites.

NFL.com for Thursday night games
NBC.com for Sunday Night games

Not sure on Monday night for Monday Night Football and ESPN.com.

Locally here in Denver, I cant remember the last Broncos game I wasn't able to get with my OTA antenna-even Thursday and Monday night games. Not sure if that is the case elsewhere? Might be because they are sellouts...

I think Wiley is a "super genius" and has the rest of the info correct... wink.gif
post #41 of 111
I don't think the Broncos are going to be very good this year judging by their performance last week wink.gif

Not sure what happens elsewhere, but MNF Patriots games are also carried on the local ABC affiliates -- Boston, MA (WCVB) and Manchester, NH (WMUR)
post #42 of 111
NBC's online streaming for the NFL and NHL is actually really cool. You can pick different camera angles to follow and can pause and rewind.
post #43 of 111
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I don't think the Broncos are going to be very good this year judging by their performance last week wink.gif

Jets tonight biggrin.gif
post #44 of 111
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NBC's online streaming for the NFL and NHL is actually really cool. You can pick different camera angles to follow and can pause and rewind.

I do like NBC
post #45 of 111
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I think Wiley is a "super genius" and has the rest of the info correct... wink.gif
biggrin.gif Thanks!!!

I've struggled over this for years, as I am a huge sports fan, especially NFL. However living in RI, we are a secondary market for the NE Patriots, and an alternate market for the NY Giants (whom I loath).
Being a longtime Minnesota Vikings fan, this is obviously a struggle for me.

Since I live in an area that supports Direct TV, I have to get a direct TV package if I want Sunday Ticket.
I'd be willing to pay for the "Online Only" package but Direct TV won't let me.

So instead, I watch the Vikings games through 'other means'.
I considered getting the Madden Game from Amazon, but most of the responses I've seen indicate that the PQ is rather low. Not just from here but from others I know as well.

I do get RedZone thru Cox, so that helps as well.
Edited by wiley165 - 9/12/13 at 8:13am
post #46 of 111
PQ depends on Internet speed. A full desktop CPU wired up looks good

Wireless mobile devices are more limited in connection speeds and processing power ...

It takes quite a bit to stream HD
post #47 of 111
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PQ depends on Internet speed. A full desktop CPU wired up looks good

Wireless mobile devices are more limited in connection speeds and processing power ...

It takes quite a bit to stream HD

Agreed, going wireless probably has issues but I was hardwired and it was great!
post #48 of 111
My iPhone 4 struggled at times with stream over wireless last year ...

But my wired desktop was nearly perfect...

I attributed this to the limitations of my phone .. Either wireless related or processing power related
post #49 of 111
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no I don't have any paid for package. the rule I was referring to is this: if the eagles are at home at 1pm on fox, cbs cant show another game at 1 in philly.

That's part of the NFL blackout rule; NFL Blackout Rule Wiki. Essentially, what it says is if a local NFL team is playing, there cannot be another game showing. To people in the near NYC and SF Bay Area who have TWO NFL games rarely get any double headers on CBS or FOX on Sundays.

As for the Denver person, you probably do get all the local games for Broncos because, I assume, that one of the local TV stations will simulcast any games that are on NFL Network or ESPN. I know that's what happens here in the SF Bay Area.

As others, I'm a huge sports fan, with football being my primary focus. I haven't cut cable completely, but just on limited basic. I have been this way for around four years. The only one that's getting more tricky, to some degree, is college football.

As for video quality, there are many factors. In regards to the NFL, a lot depends on your available bandwidth. It's not as good as over the air, cable, or satellite if you can get the 4.5Mpbs feed. It's HD. Just not quite a crisp as the other options. The NFL has some good bandwidth and servers. I've used NBC.com before, but I haven't in some time. It's a nice site. I just didn't like I couldn't get a good feed for the main camera option. Maybe NBC as upped their bandwidth. I haven't tried the NFL.com for the Thursday Night games. There are times when I tried it, and it wasn't really showing the game, so I felt it was bit unreliable resource. I just checked it out, literally. It does show the game, but it's a different feed. They're using different camera angles and different commentators compared to what the live NFL Network is showing. But hey, it's free.

As for the mobile, it is true you need to some have power. But not that powerful. A lot of the problems is that the mobile apps don't offer all the bit rates that are available on the PC. I assume partly because they don't want to eat through people'e data plans. Also, do you really need 1080p feed on a screen that's less than five inches; I would throw in ten inches as well. The NFL Game Pass for example only goes up the 1600kbps compared to the 4500 on the PC through a web browser. The NHL last year, both the tablet and PC maxed out at 3000. I believe the phone app went to 1600, maybe 2000.
post #50 of 111
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Originally Posted by lovekeiiy View Post

That's part of the NFL blackout rule; NFL Blackout Rule Wiki. Essentially, what it says is if a local NFL team is playing, there cannot be another game showing. To people in the near NYC and SF Bay Area who have TWO NFL games rarely get any double headers on CBS or FOX on Sundays.

As for the Denver person, you probably do get all the local games for Broncos because, I assume, that one of the local TV stations will simulcast any games that are on NFL Network or ESPN. I know that's what happens here in the SF Bay Area.

As others, I'm a huge sports fan, with football being my primary focus. I haven't cut cable completely, but just on limited basic. I have been this way for around four years. The only one that's getting more tricky, to some degree, is college football.

As for video quality, there are many factors. In regards to the NFL, a lot depends on your available bandwidth. It's not as good as over the air, cable, or satellite if you can get the 4.5Mpbs feed. It's HD. Just not quite a crisp as the other options. The NFL has some good bandwidth and servers. I've used NBC.com before, but I haven't in some time. It's a nice site. I just didn't like I couldn't get a good feed for the main camera option. Maybe NBC as upped their bandwidth. I haven't tried the NFL.com for the Thursday Night games. There are times when I tried it, and it wasn't really showing the game, so I felt it was bit unreliable resource. I just checked it out, literally. It does show the game, but it's a different feed. They're using different camera angles and different commentators compared to what the live NFL Network is showing. But hey, it's free.

As for the mobile, it is true you need to some have power. But not that powerful. A lot of the problems is that the mobile apps don't offer all the bit rates that are available on the PC. I assume partly because they don't want to eat through people'e data plans. Also, do you really need 1080p feed on a screen that's less than five inches; I would throw in ten inches as well. The NFL Game Pass for example only goes up the 1600kbps compared to the 4500 on the PC through a web browser. The NHL last year, both the tablet and PC maxed out at 3000. I believe the phone app went to 1600, maybe 2000.

Great insight, thanks!

So where are you getting your NFL & NCAA football from besides the basic local stuff? Did you get this NFL Sunday Ticket deal or something else?
post #51 of 111
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... So where are you getting your NFL & NCAA football from besides the basic local stuff? Did you get this NFL Sunday Ticket deal or something else?

For my NFL and NCAA football needs, it's from multiple resources. I do use the local TV stations. It's the best feed I can. Since I only have limited basic, I don't get any sports that's not on local TV. Thus for games on the NFL Network and ESPN, I use subscribed to the NFL's Game Pass service. It's similar to Sunday Ticket, but it's online only. It's only available outside the USA and it's terrorities; there are few other spots that don't get it. Plus, it includes game replays--full and condensed, and coaches film. And depending on region, can include playoffs, NFL Network and archived shows, and Redzone.

College football is goofy. Again local TV. Plus, I use EPSN3 since Comcast includes it in their internet package. Unfortunately, they're getting more restrictive on what they're showing on it. A couple years back, if the game was on ABC or ESPN, you could also watch it EPSN3. Now, if it's only any of those channels, they rarely show it on ESPN3. I can watch games on ESPN through Sprint TV. The bad part, their app disables the HDMI out. It's harder to get the games like before because quite a few the NCAA conferences have created their TV networks. Most have online access, but you have to pay it. I like football, and enjoy college, but not enough to start shelling out $100 plus for the various leagues.

In a pinch, if I really want to watch I game, I don't have access to through normal means, I'll use stuff like Justin.TV, FrontPageSports and what not. I find the sites out of Russia are a bit more reliable since they tend to ignore USA laws. Obvious there is a risk of picking up malware or other bad background apps. I usually use this for the occasional soccer match.

If you're into sports, and have a PC connected to a TV, and are going to subscribe to various sports packages such as NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, and so on, I recommend subscribing and paying for a VPN service. Then subscribe to the international package services for the sports service. This will let you get around any and all blackout rules. A lot these packages are cheaper than the TV providers service. And almost all them include access on mobile devices free, including the app. There can be some challenges getting the international app on your device, but it can be done.
post #52 of 111
I checked and noticed the Steelers Bengals game tomorrow (in Cinci) is being simulcast on my local abc affiliate here in Pittsburgh

Edit: While I was looking for more info on this I found this about tonight's game -

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/tv/2013/06/05/ch-5-to-air-espn-monday-night-bengals-steelers-sept-16/
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The NFL requires that a local over-the-air station broadcast national cable games. Channel 5 just signed a three-year contract to carry any ESPN Bengals game through 2015.

Edited by pittsoccer33 - 9/16/13 at 7:38am
post #53 of 111
hmmm... I wish I could get it here in MA
post #54 of 111
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I checked and noticed the Steelers Bengals game tomorrow (in Cinci) is being simulcast on my local abc affiliate here in Pittsburgh

Edit: While I was looking for more info on this I found this about tonight's game -

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/tv/2013/06/05/ch-5-to-air-espn-monday-night-bengals-steelers-sept-16/

Thanks for the heads up, I didn't know that it was a requirement. I wonder if it is still required if the game is local and not sold out? The Eagles are one of my favorite teams, so I need to figure out a way to get this Thursday night's game w/o Pay TV...
post #55 of 111
if the game is blackouted, then the TV station can play whatever game the network affiliation chooses. In the case of the ESPN or NFL Network, if it hasn't sold to lift the blackout, it cannot be shown. As a Raiders' fan in their market, it's almost been issue. Usually, the team, TV station, or some other third party--celebrity, business, etc--will buy enough tickets to lift the blackout.

As for your particular situation, if you're in Denver, it doesn't matter if the game is blocked out. Blackouts only effect the local area relative to the stadium, what is considered the home area. It's usually around a fifty mile radius.

As annoying as the blackout rules may be, it could be worse. Before the blackout rules, the NFL wouldn't should any local teams on TV. Didn't matter if it was sold out or not. They were convinced that if you had the option to watch it on tv, no one will go the game. So NYC didn't get see the 58' Gaints-Colts game or Heidi Bowl for two examples. Basically, congressmen got tired of not being able to see the Redskin games despite being sold out. So they got involved, and we got the blackout rules.

Blackouts do occur here and there on nationally televised games in the home market. It's been a while, but the last ones I remember was a Dolphin's playoff game; I assume this is from all the summer birds going back home. Another was a Colts playoff game. I don't remember the reasoning for the lack of ticket sales.
post #56 of 111
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if the game is blackouted, then the TV station can play whatever game the network affiliation chooses. In the case of the ESPN or NFL Network, if it hasn't sold to lift the blackout, it cannot be shown. As a Raiders' fan in their market, it's almost been issue. Usually, the team, TV station, or some other third party--celebrity, business, etc--will buy enough tickets to lift the blackout.

As for your particular situation, if you're in Denver, it doesn't matter if the game is blocked out. Blackouts only effect the local area relative to the stadium, what is considered the home area. It's usually around a fifty mile radius.

As annoying as the blackout rules may be, it could be worse. Before the blackout rules, the NFL wouldn't should any local teams on TV. Didn't matter if it was sold out or not. They were convinced that if you had the option to watch it on tv, no one will go the game. So NYC didn't get see the 58' Gaints-Colts game or Heidi Bowl for two examples. Basically, congressmen got tired of not being able to see the Redskin games despite being sold out. So they got involved, and we got the blackout rules.

Blackouts do occur here and there on nationally televised games in the home market. It's been a while, but the last ones I remember was a Dolphin's playoff game; I assume this is from all the summer birds going back home. Another was a Colts playoff game. I don't remember the reasoning for the lack of ticket sales.

Good summary, thanks. Looking forward to watching the Broncos "Blacking Out" the Raiders next Monday... wink.gif
post #57 of 111
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Streaming NFL Network's Thursday night football game online for free w/o Pay TV! Gotta love that!! Now if only the Eagles can pull it out...
post #58 of 111
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Streaming NFL Network's Thursday night football game online for free w/o Pay TV! Gotta love that!! Now if only the Eagles can pull it out...

Where do you stream it from ?
post #59 of 111
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Where do you stream it from ?

Just NFL.com It wasn't as good at the Sunday Ticket online but ok. Also, had to play with the settings a bit to find the best feed... Hey, it's free and I only really care to see a few Thursday night games, so all good!
post #60 of 111
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In fact, when a game ends early and they start showing the end of another game, that game becomes unavailable on Sunday Ticket.

I'm not sure about that. Last Sunday I saw the last half of the Saints game (weather delayed) using the EASports/Amazon ST deal. Best I can tell, I can see any game that is not being shown on local TV. And that doesn't stop just because a game shown locally ends early and switches to that particular game.
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