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post #31 of 77
What do you think about CMT-340's, Do you think it might be better for OP ?
post #32 of 77
Do not buy the F-12. It is not good. Do not buy the Polk, it is even worse. You should probably only be considering Internet Direct companies. Name brand subwoofers like Polk, Infinity, and the like are all a waste of money. You will get a million times more smiles out of an SVS, HSU, PSA, Outlaw, Rythmik, NXG type speaker. If you must have namebrand you should look at the Klipsch RS12-D. It is out of stock but occasionally can be found under $300.

The only one even worthy of consideration is the NXG, (I firmly stand by that).

You will need speaker wire (check monoprice.com) and a subwoofer cable (monoprice.com) to connect them to your receiver.

C-Series is less impressive than the S30. The S30 is better is almost every comparable category.
post #33 of 77
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Originally Posted by deids View Post

What do you think about CMT-340's, Do you think it might be better for OP ?

That is certainly an upgrade over Pioneer, probably on par or slightly better than S30 but close to double the cost. Not a good deal in my opinion.
post #34 of 77
I think the CMT-340 would be more than a slight upgrade over the Cambridge s30, but like you said more than double the cost.
post #35 of 77
Hey Valtyr, Since I'm really new to speakers, can you give me some suggestions on the tuning steps? also, would S30's be too large for my living room, which is a 13 x 18?
post #36 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lucius00 View Post

Hey Valtyr, Since I'm really new to speakers, can you give me some suggestions on the tuning steps? also, would S30's be too large for my living room, which is a 13 x 18?

S30's would not be too big for your room. They're small bookshelves. You'll still need subwoofer augmentation at some point.
post #37 of 77
Thread Starter 
What's bi-wiring? And can you guys recommend wiring / speaker stands? I'm not sure what 'grade' of wiring to get, but I'm sure I want banana plugs.
post #38 of 77
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Originally Posted by ProLoser View Post

What's bi-wiring? And can you guys recommend wiring / speaker stands? I'm not sure what 'grade' of wiring to get, but I'm sure I want banana plugs.

Good locking banana plugs... I use them mainly in the back of the receiver and the type of binding posts normally used there. Easier to connect and disconnect vs. bare wire.

http://www.speakerrepair.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=locking

Bi-wiring is an unnecessary extra step and rarely adds any benefits to a speaker's sound quality.

A lot of people just use Monoprice.com's inexpensive speaker wire. I almost always use 12 gauge since that thickness pretty much works for any situation. Sometimes I'll buy Belden speaker wire from bluejeanscable.com. Better quality than Monoprice, but a bit more spendy.
post #39 of 77
No S30's are small in the speaker world, they'd be amazing for you.
post #40 of 77
Thread Starter 
I hate receivers.

I have the Pioneer 822. Is there any way to have video from one source and audio from another at the same time? Or do i have to use my TV as the input switch and feed the optical from the TV to the receiver? I also think the Pioneer is not staying on the input I left it on when I turned it off. I also hate the menus and the manuals on this thing.

Seriously, why haven't people come up with less convoluted receivers? I use an audio splitter cable for my desktop and I can have multiple devices playing music (games, stereo, etc) through the speakers without doing any switching whatsoever. I realize this might make people cringe at the potential quality/power loss of using a splitter cable, but sometimes I don't get why receivers need to be any more complicated than that.
post #41 of 77
I don't know what you have (besides the receiver) and exactly what you want to accomplish with your setup. Maybe you have it hooked up wrong. Hard to say.
post #42 of 77
Thread Starter 
So here's what I bought:

- Pioneer 822
- S30 (the last pair)
- S50
- The NXG subwoofer

So now I have a weird 3.1 setup.

Questions

1: The S30's are no longer in stock almost anywhere. What should I do about the rear speakers? There is still a pair of S70's
2: What is the Phase and Mode switches for on the back of the sub?
3: My sub has R/L and LFE inputs while my Pioneer appears to only have 1 output (LFE?). Am I losing anything by this? What's the difference?
4: Is there a way to send to my TV video input from one device (console) and send to my speakers audio from another device (CD)?
5: My TV (LG 60PN6550) has an optical audio output. Would I be able to do #4 by sending video signals to the TV directly and just passing thru the audio?
6: Is there a way to configure the stereo so that 2.1 audio is doubled up to the 5.1 channels (leverage all speakers for stereo music)?
7: Any bluetooth adapter recommendations? I have one, but it doesn't appear to push signal to the sub so I'm guessing it may be 2.0 instead of 2.1.
post #43 of 77
1. Go with the S70's for the front. Won't regret it. And yes it is better to match fronts and surrounds from the same model line, especially when building a system from scratch.

2. Usually, you leave the phase switch on 0 degrees. Keeps the woofer moving in phase with the rest of the speakers. The Mode switch can either be set to Always On or Auto On. Auto On senses a signal coming out of the receiver's LFE output and wakes the sub up from standby. After a while if it senses no signal coming through the line, it will put the sub back into standby/sleep mode. Saves some electricity over having the plate amp on all the time.

3. Attach the sub cable to the LFE input on the back of the sub. This will bypass internal cross over settings in the sub and allow the receiver to do the calibration.

4. Not normally, no, without having to reconfigure your inputs and outputs every single time if you're assigning audio and video from the same source possibly from separate audio and video cables (unless you're using HDMI where the audio and video stream are routed through the same cable) to route through your receiver. It might work if you have multiple video inputs used on your TV and leave the input of one thing (like a CD player) on the receiver going while changing the video input on the TV. It's not like in the good ol' analog A/V days where you could flip one switch and keep the audio going from one source and see video from another.

5. The TV's optical audio out is most often used to send audio from the Smart TV apps on the TV (like Netflix, Amazon, Hulu Plus) to older equipment that may not have HDMI with Audio Return Channel capabilities (sends audio from the TV back through an HDMI cable attached to the ARC assigned HDMI port on the TV and receiver), or for sending Dolby Digital audio from over the air digital broadcasts under the same circumstances. Streaming through the TV and having the audio routed through the optical cable will cause a down conversion of Dolby Digital Plus audio to regular Dolby Digital since optical cable circuitry doesn't have the bandwidth necessary.

6. There may be a 5.1 channel (or All Channel) stereo mode on the receiver where audio is duplicated for both the front and surround speakers. Normally, I use Dolby ProLogic II: Cinema and that extracts some information from stereo music to the center and ambiance to the surround channels. It's still a front channel heavy mode. There are also surround music discs that place instruments all the way around the room.

7. No idea. Don't use Bluetooth wireless.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 9/12/13 at 12:51pm
post #44 of 77
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Originally Posted by ProLoser View Post

So here's what I bought:

- Pioneer 822
- S30 (the last pair)
- S50
- The NXG subwoofer

So now I have a weird 3.1 setup.

Questions

1: The S30's are no longer in stock almost anywhere. What should I do about the rear speakers? There is still a pair of S70's
2: What is the Phase and Mode switches for on the back of the sub?
3: My sub has R/L and LFE inputs while my Pioneer appears to only have 1 output (LFE?). Am I losing anything by this? What's the difference?
4: Is there a way to send to my TV video input from one device (console) and send to my speakers audio from another device (CD)?
5: My TV (LG 60PN6550) has an optical audio output. Would I be able to do #4 by sending video signals to the TV directly and just passing thru the audio?
6: Is there a way to configure the stereo so that 2.1 audio is doubled up to the 5.1 channels (leverage all speakers for stereo music)?
7: Any bluetooth adapter recommendations? I have one, but it doesn't appear to push signal to the sub so I'm guessing it may be 2.0 instead of 2.1.

Congratulations on your purchases. These are the best of the best in the price range.

1. More S30's and they always renew stock. Rear speakers are just fillers, you don't need to match them, more s30's would be nice but not necessary.

2. Phase controls the wave pattern I believe. A useless feature for normal setups like this.

3. RL would let the amp power speakers. You should avoid this with plate amps like the one on the back of a sub.

4. Are you asking if you can TV but listen to CD sound? I'm not sure what you're asking but yes you can do that.

5. Don't use optical unless you have to.

6. The EQ on the receiver may be able to do that for you

7. Unclear
post #45 of 77
Thread Starter 
Interesting. Guess they renewed their S30 stock already (at a higher price). So now it's between S70s and S30s (again) lol. And sadly, I already ordered these: http://www.amazon.com/BellO-SP200-36-Inch-Speaker-Stands/dp/B004BJ2EDW/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1379020865&sr=8-25&keywords=speaker+stands but I suppose I can still put the rear speakers on them.
post #46 of 77
You probably can.



Look familiar?
post #47 of 77
Those stands are $130?

Wow, added that, it makes S70 seem not that expensive any more
post #48 of 77
Thread Starter 
I would think most people would go for a pair like these: http://www.amazon.com/SANUS-SYSTEMS-BF-24B-Speaker-Stands/dp/B00006JQ5N/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1379063859&sr=8-8&keywords=speaker+stands but honestly they look so standard and boring to me, not to mention the pictures of owners show that the wood is prone to damaging. I personally have a weird aversion to square wood furniture (long explanation) and I am very happy with the Bell'O TV stand I have. Or build your own.
post #49 of 77
Thread Starter 
I can't find a pair of black S70's anymore frown.gif and the Dark-Oak pairs have gone down $100
post #50 of 77
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I can't find a pair of black S70's anymore frown.gif and the Dark-Oak pairs have gone down $100

Did you look here?
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/CAMBS70BLK/CAMBRIDGE-AUDIO-S70-5-3-way-Floorstanding-Speakers-Each-Black/1.html

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/brand/cambridge%20audio/results/1.html
post #51 of 77
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I can't find a pair of black S70's anymore frown.gif and the Dark-Oak pairs have gone down $100

Try accessories4less.com as was mentioned above.

$140 each in black or oak finish.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/CAMBS70BLK/CAMBRIDGE-AUDIO-S70-5-3-way-Floorstanding-Speakers-Each-Black/1.html
post #52 of 77
I was worried why accessories4less was so cheap, but since you guys are suggesting it, I'd go with it.

I just pop up the question like ProLoser said, how do you compare S70 to S30? are they good? they seem much cheaper at accessories4less.com.

And I'm assuming S70 is around $140 each?
post #53 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lucius00 View Post

I was worried why accessories4less was so cheap, but since you guys are suggesting it, I'd go with it.

I just pop up the question like ProLoser said, how do you compare S70 to S30? are they good? they seem much cheaper at accessories4less.com.

And I'm assuming S70 is around $140 each?

Those speakers are being phased out for the new Cambridge line, so those are closeout prices. The speakers being sold at a4l are new so I would take advantage. If you can get the towers I would, they will play louder and have better dynamics.
post #54 of 77
I guess I should get them in now instead of keep waiting for black friday?
post #55 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lucius00 View Post

I guess I should get them in now instead of keep waiting for black friday?

Yes this is a closeout price and I can't imagine they will go any lower. Get them now while they are still available!

2 S70s, S50, and 2 S30s would make a very nice 5.0 system.
post #56 of 77
So I just ordered 2 S70 and a pair of S30, one S50.

Now, I'm waiting them to re-new the NXG subwoofer. and I still need a receiver.

From this post, there are
Yamaha V373
Pioneer VSX-822-K
denon avr-1713 $100 more

Hmmm. I'm still comparing the receivers.
post #57 of 77
The Denon AVR-1613 would work fine, it has Audyssey MultEQ and networking, and is very similar to the 1713. You can get it for $209 at accessories4less.com

The BIC PL-200 is pretty comparable to the NXG and about the same price. Someone in the budget subs thread got an email from NXG saying they expect new subs to ship in 60 days... You could also get a pair of Dayton SUB-1200s, it would help even out bass response and increase output some. Personally, I would save up and go with something like the SVS PB-1000.
post #58 of 77
I would skip the lower number Yamahas - Denon or Pioneer is fine

I would get a sub that is tight and controlled with the Cambridge speakers - not some of
the cheap mushy/boom subs
post #59 of 77
That svs pb1000 is almost the same price of my whole set of Cambridge audios. Is pb1000 that amazing? If it can discount somehow on blackfriday. It would be awesome
post #60 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lucius00 View Post

That svs pb1000 is almost the same price of my whole set of Cambridge audios. Is pb1000 that amazing? If it can discount somehow on blackfriday. It would be awesome

Don't think SVS does black friday sales as their prices are quite reasonable as is for the performance. You can find the PB1000) in the outlet section from time to time for $449 shipping included.

And yes, good subs are amazing and worth price.
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