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post #31 of 89
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thebland is trying to get a rise out of Steve B. with his mistruths & half lies and tends to confuse people who don't know any better.
I would take anything he has to say about Theta with a grain of salt or less biggrin.gif

[/B]. Audio is extracted from the HDMI signal for processing by the Audio DSP board.

DRAT! I missed The Bland's BS psot. Darn it!@@

The Bland has a vendetta against Theta for years and years because they wouldn't give him a free Theta CB2 SSP (yea, it was that long ago). He has as much credibility as the rabbit that talks and says he didn't eat the carrots in your garden. HA!tongue.gif:)smile.gif
post #32 of 89
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The front panel is reading "Dolby DIgital + Ster" It is not the Front back stereo feature...I have that off. I did have the Center Spread on...because I'm using Magnapan Speakers here....and need that for the center...but I turn that off...and go back to the main home screen...and still it reads Dolby Digital + Stereo! I dont' see just Stereo as an option in the optional processing. So why is it giving it to me now? It's still here!
post #33 of 89
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It is Dolby Digital +Ster...that's what it reads. I don't have any additional processing on....I was using Center Spread..because I'm running Magnapan sperakers, but I turned that off...but it still reads + Ster. Now, if I play a show that is only DPL II Movie, the Stereo is not there. And if I play a high rez movie with MA DTS lets say...I only get MD DTS. Do why in Dolby Digital only....and how can I fix this?
post #34 of 89
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Originally Posted by dancjodanc View Post

The front panel is reading "Dolby DIgital + Ster" It is not the Front back stereo feature...I have that off. I did have the Center Spread on...because I'm using Magnapan Speakers here....and need that for the center...but I turn that off...and go back to the main home screen...and still it reads Dolby Digital + Stereo! I dont' see just Stereo as an option in the optional processing. So why is it giving it to me now? It's still here!

Not to be rude but you are going to need to familiarize yourself with the CB's manual:

Go to page 66:

2-Channel Mode
Some Dolby Digital sources contain only two of the possible five to seven main channels. This is usually noted on the
material's cover, in the form of "Dolby Digital 2.0" or “Dolby Surround” as opposed to "Dolby Digital 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1".
Embedded in most two-channel Dolby Digital data streams is an indication of whether or not the material is Dolby
Surround encoded. There are three possibilities for this indication: Dolby Surround Encoded; Not Dolby Surround
Encoded; or No Indication.
Regardless of the indication, the user can instruct the Casablanca III HD to process this decoded signal in virtually any
MODE. For Dolby Surround encoded signals, press button # 1 (2CHEN – or two-channel encoded) and use the
LEVEL UP/DOWN buttons to select the MODE to be applied to Encoded 2 channel Dolby Digital signals. For a nonencoded
signal, press button # 2 (2CHNEN – or 2-channel non-encoded) to select the MODE for further processing.
When a mode is applied to a two-channel Dolby Digital signal, the signal Is first Dolby Digital decoded, then the
decoded signal is further manipulated by applying the mode set in the 2CHEN or 2CHNEN parameters. If this is the
case, and the additional selected mode is MATRIX, the MODE displayed in the VFD when in the INPUT SELECT
MENU will read “DOLBY DIGITAL + MATX”. If the additional selected mode is STEREO, the MODE displayed in the
VFD when in the INPUT SELECT MENU will read “DOLBY DIGITAL + STEREO”.
If the indication is that the signal is not Dolby Surround encoded, or there is no indication, and the 2CHNEN MODE is
set to Dolby Digital, no additional surround processing will occur, resulting in a two-channel (stereo) output.

Good Luck
post #35 of 89
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Thanks for your help....I see that now...I looked at the manual. Just never realized you had THAT much control over so many aspects with this piece.
2 questions: I'm running XLR for all 5 channels to the amp...but RCA to the subwoofer...should I be running the subwoofer XLR as well, or it doesn't matter since it's not getting power from the amp? The sub only will take RCA. And the Sub is on the same DAC with the surrounds using XLR.

Next: Could anyone recommend a pink noise disc for the set up? The built in tone in the Casa sounds so different the L and R. Even as far as much louder in the L than the R. I had a test tone here...on a CD, but when I play it of couse..it's on all 5 channel...and don't know how to get it to just play in one channel at a time to set a level. When I select each speaker independently, I get no sound. I'm sure I'm just doing something wrong...but wanted to ask. I have a SPL meter. But so far...I'm have to jack the surround almost up to the max +15 to get the right level...and the SL is has to be raised almost +10 from the SL to get the same level! So something is off.
post #36 of 89
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Added note: Unless the new DIRAC system will take care of all of these issues....text tones, and level adjustments....I'll just wait for that board to come out
post #37 of 89
I wouldn't wait to set your levels. I use the internal noise source without any issues. I think my surrounds are about 10-15 above my mains. Do you,have identical speakers for your mains and surrounds? What about your amps?

If you are hearing significant differences between your front left and right speakers I'd check your settings and your connections. The CB outputs an identical signal to its DACs.

The only drawback to using a single-ended cable for your sub would be noise pick-up from a long cable run.
post #38 of 89
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I'm running Magnepan's all around...1.7s up front..and MMG's in the rear...so NOT the same speaker. for all 5 I'll check the connections...but they all seemed right and correct. I just notice that the FL is much louder with the internal pink noise than the FR.

for now, I'm using 200 watt into 8 ohm Emotiva amp....I'm upgrading in the new year...to what...I'm not sure yet! Always open to suggestions...

The run is only 12 Ft. to the sub....so it's not that long....so for now...I'll stay with the single end I guess on the Casa side.
post #39 of 89
If everything looks right you can try and exchange your left and right connections, first at the CB and then at the speaker connections to the amp. See what the high level tracks with.
post #40 of 89
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Originally Posted by dancjodanc View Post

I'm running Magnepan's all around...1.7s up front..and MMG's in the rear...so NOT the same speaker. for all 5 I'll check the connections...but they all seemed right and correct. I just notice that the FL is much louder with the internal pink noise than the FR.

for now, I'm using 200 watt into 8 ohm Emotiva amp....I'm upgrading in the new year...to what...I'm not sure yet! Always open to suggestions...

I don't know how much experience you have with True Ribbons in Maggies but before doing any work at all trying to find a system problem, the very first thing I'd check with the 1.7 speakers, if one side was louder or brighter then the other is to check the speakers fuse.

Don't even bother looking at the fuse as it's sometimes impossible to tell if it's blown by eye.
Either check it with a meter or just replace it with a good fuse.
With the system playing I usually just hold a good fuse right over the one I suspect may be bad and see if the sound comes back.
More often then not, it's a bad fuse and not a cable connection or anything else.

I've used Maggies with True Ribbons for many years and I kept a pack of fuses behind each speaker as it's inevitable that a fuse will blow, especially when used as theater speakers and if your not very shy with the volume. And you might not have done yourself or those Maggies any favors when you hot swapped those HDMI cables either!

I ran the 3.5's and 3.6's with Levinson amps with 400 & 600wpc @ 4 ohms but still blew fuses on one speaker or the other on a regular basis.
I never blew a fuse on the CC-1 or CC-3's or my MG-IIIc's for that matter, which were built more like your MMG's.
post #41 of 89
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WOW..you were right...I didn't even think of the fuse. It look fine. It was the fuse. I have a few replacement fuses that came with the Maggie's...popped it in..and the level is the same as the Front R now....WOW. The MMG's as surrounds are low in volume as well....and I'm guessing I should replace those fuses as well?

I hear about replacing the stock fuses with higher quality fuses anyway.....have you done that before? A suggestion? Thanks
post #42 of 89
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Another question...BIgbrother52, besides running the test tone on each speaker...is there a meter, or a different way to test for a blown fuse?
Are you a Casablanca user? I'm using the center spread feature on the Casa to send some of the signal to the fronts from the center CC5. Right now I have it set to 30..and I believe it goes all the way to 70. Seems Ok...was not sure what other people have done with similar set up using Maggie's.
post #43 of 89
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Originally Posted by dancjodanc View Post

WOW..you were right...I didn't even think of the fuse. It look fine. It was the fuse. I have a few replacement fuses that came with the Maggie's...popped it in..and the level is the same as the Front R now....WOW. The MMG's as surrounds are low in volume as well....and I'm guessing I should replace those fuses as well?

I hear about replacing the stock fuses with higher quality fuses anyway.....have you done that before? A suggestion? Thanks

You should pick up a couple of packs of 4 amp fuses for the 1.7's from Radio Shack before you run through the spares supplied by Magnapan.
Never use a higher rated fuse and never bypass the fuses.

Bypassing the fuses seems to be a very popular "upgrade" with Maggie users, but I can't imagine how people get away with it without eventually having to replace a Ribbon.
I have always used the correct fuses, and while I've replaced more fuses then you can imagine, I've never had to replace a Ribbon.

If you've already blown the MMG's fuses as well, it would be a good idea to keep a pack of spares around for them too, although I don't know the value of those fuses off hand.

"HiFi Tuning Fuse's" have been popular with Maggie users for a long time, but at $50 a pop (pun intended) for a single 4 amp fuse, it could be a very expensive proposition over time.

To me, that's a fuse I might use IF I used the Maggies only for music and listened to that music at very reasonable levels. Since I don't meet any of that criteria I've only used the cheap glass fuses.
post #44 of 89
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Originally Posted by dancjodanc View Post

Another question...BIgbrother52, besides running the test tone on each speaker...is there a meter, or a different way to test for a blown fuse?
Are you a Casablanca user? I'm using the center spread feature on the Casa to send some of the signal to the fronts from the center CC5. Right now I have it set to 30..and I believe it goes all the way to 70. Seems Ok...was not sure what other people have done with similar set up using Maggie's.

You just need a cheap continuity tester or ohm meter or multimeter to check if a fuse is good or bad. These are also available at Radio Shack or a hundred other places online.

I can't say as I've ever used the Casablanca's test tone to detect that a tweeter was missing, it's just something your ear should become accustomed to.
If you have any doubt that a tweeter is missing, check the fuse!

I used Maggies with a Blanca from 97' until maybe 2007 but gave up on them waiting for a center channel that had a ribbon tweeter, so I never did get to use their CC-5

You should look into the center spread feature a bit further to see where it's actually set. Center Spread can be adjusted from 0-15

Also, you may have missed my post to your very first thread (although it was the only reply to it) back in July where I pretty much posted whatever settings that I could remember for using Maggies with a Blanca and how to set-up the center channel speaker for best results.
post #45 of 89
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So, even if I get a higher power amp...say, 600 watts into 4 ohm....I could still get fuses blown? The problem now is that the amp can't keep up? Joe
post #46 of 89
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Originally Posted by dancjodanc View Post

So, even if I get a higher power amp...say, 600 watts into 4 ohm....I could still get fuses blown? The problem now is that the amp can't keep up? Joe

It's hard to say exactly, but like every other Maggie, the 1.7 will take some power to drive them well, although how much power depends on the size of your room, the kind of music & movies you listen to, and the sound levels you prefer listening at.

I happen to have a fairly sizable room, probably not unlike your's if you're standing 4 Maggies and I like allot of volume for both music and movies, especially movies with lots of explosions.
But try as I might with my maggies and with the amps I've tried, in my room, by the time I got to a volume level that I felt was realistic, (which is really loud).... I lost a fuse.

Keep in mind the 3.5's and 3.6's have a fused midrange as well as a fused tweeter, so I did not always lose a tweeter fuse, sometimes it was a midrange fuse and perhaps you won't lose fuses quite as often as I did. And maybe you don't play your system as loud as I do and the lose of a fuse will be a rare occasion.

All you can go by is your short history with these speakers and for some reason you've blown fuses all the way around already.

Since I have no first hand experience with 1.7's in my room, maybe it will make you feel better to know that I've read that the 1.7's will play louder more easily then the 1.6's. But I never tried 1.6's here either, so I have no real basis for comparison to judge what that actually means.

You will just have to keep an ear open for blown fuses until you know your new system and it's limitations better. You will have to see how it reacts to things like explosions at the volume which you would like to listen to your system.

And one other thing, about your turning the CB-3HD off by the rear panel switch every night.

Every time you do this it takes the Casablanca a couple of hours after you restore power for the temperature of all of the electronics in the unit to re-stabilize.
Which is why as Steve pointed out, that it sounds better if left in stand-by.
Playing the system loud during this re-stablization period may also have some negative effect on the output. Until you are quite sure how your system reacts to different things, I'd leave it on 24/7 to rule out that the CB-3HD playing loud during this warm-up period has anything to do with the possibility of a blown speaker fuse.

I just don't think the MMG's and 1.7's were built stock to play at reference levels in a large room.
You might ask about that in the "Magnaplaner Owners Thread" in the Speaker section of the forum and see what their experience has been.
My guess is a certain amount of users will recommend having the cheap components of the stock crossover replaced. Something you may not want to do while the speakers are still under warranty, But probably a good suggestion in any case.
post #47 of 89
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The crossover replaced? With an outboard box? I've heard of people doing that with 1.6's...but can check into that for the 1.7's. So that might help with the fuse issue as well? I've also read up on the higher cost Hi-Fi tuning fuses. I don't mind trying them....as long as they have a higher tolerance for not blowing! Waiting to hear on that one. If the $50 fuse will blow just as easily as the cheap one....then, that's a lot of money to throw out.

I've always wanted maggie's in my set up. I do love the sound....and for the price....you can't beat em. But...since I did upgrade to the Casa, and other pieces in my system...and I do use it for movies as well....I'm thinking down the road they may have to go for something else! Revel I used to own....and B&W 803's....and even thinking maybe I should try Wilson. They make a monitor that can be placed close to a wall....just have not heard their sound yet. Maybe I need to check into a hybrid speaker....with the ribbon tweeter...and cone mid/woofer? The voices on Maggie's soar....but, like you...I like my explosions! Joe
post #48 of 89
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Originally Posted by dancjodanc View Post

The crossover replaced? With an outboard box? I've heard of people doing that with 1.6's...but can check into that for the 1.7's. So that might help with the fuse issue as well? I've also read up on the higher cost Hi-Fi tuning fuses. I don't mind trying them....as long as they have a higher tolerance for not blowing! Waiting to hear on that one. If the $50 fuse will blow just as easily as the cheap one....then, that's a lot of money to throw out.

I've always wanted maggie's in my set up. I do love the sound....and for the price....you can't beat em. But...since I did upgrade to the Casa, and other pieces in my system...and I do use it for movies as well....I'm thinking down the road they may have to go for something else! Revel I used to own....and B&W 803's....and even thinking maybe I should try Wilson. They make a monitor that can be placed close to a wall....just have not heard their sound yet. Maybe I need to check into a hybrid speaker....with the ribbon tweeter...and cone mid/woofer? The voices on Maggie's soar....but, like you...I like my explosions! Joe


Until you know for certain that you're not going to blow fuses on a regular basis, IMO, it's a complete waste of money.

The Hi-fi Tuning fuese are just "supposed" to sound better then the cheap glass fuses, that's all, and there are plenty of people who would argue that they don't and they're a waste of money anyway.
But it's understandable if you're willing to try a tweak that's easy to do, fairly inexpensive, and may make your system sound a bit better.

But a 4 amp fast blow fuse is a 4 amp fast blow fuse. If it had a higher tolerance to being blown, and doesn't blow as fast as it's supposed to, then it's not doing it's job! Simply put, this fuse is not the fix you're looking for.
post #49 of 89
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Originally Posted by dancjodanc View Post

The crossover replaced? With an outboard box? I've heard of people doing that with 1.6's...but can check into that for the 1.7's. So that might help with the fuse issue as well? I've also read up on the higher cost Hi-Fi tuning fuses. I don't mind trying them....as long as they have a higher tolerance for not blowing! Waiting to hear on that one. If the $50 fuse will blow just as easily as the cheap one....then, that's a lot of money to throw out.

I've always wanted maggie's in my set up. I do love the sound....and for the price....you can't beat em. But...since I did upgrade to the Casa, and other pieces in my system...and I do use it for movies as well....I'm thinking down the road they may have to go for something else! Revel I used to own....and B&W 803's....and even thinking maybe I should try Wilson. They make a monitor that can be placed close to a wall....just have not heard their sound yet. Maybe I need to check into a hybrid speaker....with the ribbon tweeter...and cone mid/woofer? The voices on Maggie's soar....but, like you...I like my explosions! Joe

Agreed with BB52's suggestion and the direction you are heading. I have Maggies 3.5 in a second system for music only, love panel speakers (have Quad and Martin Logan still) for their transparency and lack of boxiness, but in general and IMHO for a hometheater system of Theta Casablanca caliber, read *all-out dynamic*, dynamic speakers might be a better choice. Maggie is nice for music and I know they like to pair with Theta at shows and one HT magazine loves it, but is not just going to cut it for movie sound IMHO, even if crossed-over to subwoofer etc. for low frequency.

The only "panel" system I've ever had that comes close to matching dynamic speakers for the "dynamics" of movie sound is a huge panel system, the full-blown Apogee Grand. But that speaker is each the size of a door and was paired up with two subwoofers each half the size of a refrigerator (yeah my misspent youth cool.gif). And I believe I was quad-amping the system; the room literally looked like a power plant, and felt like one too from the heat. Small panel speakers just can't do it and the fact that you are blowing fuses in the Maggies is the strong strong hint that you need to move on to bigger things. Separate active crossover, which I've done for my Maggies, increases resolution and soundstage separation, but is not going to address loudness, dynamics, and the blown fuses either. You just want it louder than it could give. (BTW, BB52 is right you *can't* use higher current fuse; you'll damage the speakers!)

As for which dynamic speakers, all brands you mentioned are good, just personal preference and taste. But I would think that when it comes to movie speakers, there is no replacement for size :-), it's the law of physics, and therefore Wilson Monitor might not be the best choice. Wilson has very bright high end that only works well with tubes amp to my ears anyway. My vote would be to keep the Maggies for music, but for movie sound, go for the biggest floor-standing dynamic speakers you could afford. Hope this helps.
Edited by cannga - 9/22/13 at 3:07pm
post #50 of 89
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I have yet to hear Wilson....and can't afford their monster high end speakers...I was looking at the Sophia line! But..I used to own B&W...803's. and maybe going back to that is the way to go? Or Revel...I need to visit those again., maybe the Salon? RIght now...I can't have 2 systems....one for music and one for movies...I have to have a duel purpose system. I went with the Theta Casablanca mostly because I wanted an upgrade...and I knew they could make Maggie's sound better with their crossover setting and their 'center spread' mode...to help the center maggie fill in the gaps. I've also hear Tekton Pendragon is amazing! Great reviews...but again, don't know. I also heard that the in-wall Widsom speakers...which have planar drivers...are really good.
post #51 of 89
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Originally Posted by dancjodanc View Post

I have yet to hear Wilson....and can't afford their monster high end speakers...I was looking at the Sophia line! But..I used to own B&W...803's. and maybe going back to that is the way to go? Or Revel...I need to visit those again., maybe the Salon? RIght now...I can't have 2 systems....one for music and one for movies...I have to have a duel purpose system. I went with the Theta Casablanca mostly because I wanted an upgrade...and I knew they could make Maggie's sound better with their crossover setting and their 'center spread' mode...to help the center maggie fill in the gaps. I've also hear Tekton Pendragon is amazing! Great reviews...but again, don't know. I also heard that the in-wall Widsom speakers...which have planar drivers...are really good.

Wilson Sophia, B&W 803, Revel Salon are all good choices. Don't forget Aerial and Thiel 3.6 (very cheap on used market of Audiogon). All excellent, reputable companies who have been in business a long time with well known products. IMHO, these speakers will all surpass Maggies 1.6, if not necessarily for small scale music, then for sure for the "dynamics" and loudness of movie sound, rock, and orchestral power music. But which one for you is strictly personal taste and system dependent, so I wouldn't even attempt to make any suggestion. This is the audiophile "journey" that some of us have gone through. Fun, educational, if co$$$tly; I used to change pre-amps, DA converter, etc., like I changed t-shirts cool.gif; bought Thiel CS5i then spent the next 10 years finding components to tune the sound to my taste.

Do you go to any of the high end audio show, or local audiophile society? Those demos are a great start because you *will* get an idea of the sound of each speaker once you've listened to them many times. The huge bonus is staffs are eager to demo for you, with zero pressure to buy. For example, from listening to Wilson at show so much, I know if I were to have them in my system, there will be a tube-preamp to tame the high and balance the sound.

PS Wisdom is a great company; the huge Wisdom speaker with Audyssey room correction and refrigerator size subwoof that was demoed at Southern Cal High End Show 2 years ago was nearly a life changing event for me :-), but I would say no to any on-wall or in-wall speakers for main speakers. To me they are good for surround use only.
Edited by cannga - 9/22/13 at 3:26pm
post #52 of 89
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Aerial I have heard of..but know nothing about! Same with Thiel. But, something to check out. If I go back to B&W, it would have to be 802's now...and those are large. Revel would be the smaller Studio I think.....and as far as the widson....they just came out with a new in wall that's much cheaper...but have not heard them. I've heard Wilson has a somewhat harsher high ... but again, I don't know first hand. I see your a Casablanca owner...so you understand...that I want to match the pre/pro with something worthy! But..I can't blow $30,000 on speakers anytime soon! Audiogon is a great place to start...and right now...B&W and Revel, and even saw a pair of new Wilson Sophia 3's listed! I need to hit a show soon....and listen!
Have you heard of this company Tekton Design..the Penedragon? Rave reviews...but again....have not heard them....and killer price.
post #53 of 89
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Aerial I have heard of..but know nothing about!

Sometimes it seems to me like Aerial Acoustics speakers are one of the best kept secrets in the audio world.

You don't see them at a whole lot of dealerships but they certainly are out there if you look and you'll find a great deal of Aerials happen to be in systems paired with a Casablanca and/or with Theta amps. They've also been showcased over the years at many of the popular audio shows together.
IMO, some of the nicest rooms you'll read about or see pictures of in the Theta thread include Aerials.

More importantly to you is the fact that many former Maggie owners, and even current Maggie owners have Aerials in their theater or music/theater set-ups.... including yours truly smile.gif

And just to be perfectly clear, while I do have a CB-3HD with a Gen. VIII Series 3 paired with the AA Mdl. 9's, front and rear and use their CC-5 center channel speaker, that's just equipment, and I do not consider my room to be one of the nicest rooms you'll read about in the Theta thread, far from it.
My room is just a room that I've dedicated for the sole use of A/V but it's nothing special as far as the room itself goes, like the rooms I elude to.

Which to me further shows that you don't require a purpose built room for Aerial speakers to sound fantastic, while at the same time giving you all the volume that you could hope for, but currently may not be able to achieve.

There are less expensive Aerials then the Mdl. 9's that sound excellent and a more expensive pair as well. The more expensive pair does include a True Ribbon tweeter. Wouldn't you know it!
Sadly it was out of my reach mad.gif

Try to find some Aerials to listen to. Even though you probably can't get their Mdl. 20T's with the true ribbon anytime soon, I doubt that you'll be disappointed with the models below it.

Visit the Aerial Owners thread in the speaker section of the forum, lots of great info there.
post #54 of 89
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

Sometimes it seems to me like Aerial Acoustics speakers are one of the best kept secrets in the audio world.

You don't see them at a whole lot of dealerships but they certainly are out there if you look and you'll find a great deal of Aerials happen to be in systems paired with a Casablanca and/or with Theta amps. They've also been showcased over the years at many of the popular audio shows together.
IMO, some of the nicest rooms you'll read about or see pictures of in the Theta thread include Aerials.

More importantly to you is the fact that many former Maggie owners, and even current Maggie owners have Aerials in their theater or music/theater set-ups.... including yours truly smile.gif

And just to be perfectly clear, while I do have a CB-3HD with a Gen. VIII Series 3 paired with the AA Mdl. 9's, front and rear and use their CC-5 center channel speaker, that's just equipment, and I do not consider my room to be one of the nicest rooms you'll read about in the Theta thread, far from it.
My room is just a room that I've dedicated for the sole use of A/V but it's nothing special as far as the room itself goes, like the rooms I elude to.

Which to me further shows that you don't require a purpose built room for Aerial speakers to sound fantastic, while at the same time giving you all the volume that you could hope for, but currently may not be able to achieve.

There are less expensive Aerials then the Mdl. 9's that sound excellent and a more expensive pair as well. The more expensive pair does include a True Ribbon tweeter. Wouldn't you know it!
Sadly it was out of my reach mad.gif

Try to find some Aerials to listen to. Even though you probably can't get their Mdl. 20T's with the true ribbon anytime soon, I doubt that you'll be disappointed with the models below it.

Visit the Aerial Owners thread in the speaker section of the forum, lots of great info there.

Back in 1997 my brand newly built home theater add on to my home started out with four Aerial 10Ts and a CC3 center. A few years later, upgraded center to the then new CC5, and added three Aerial SW-12 subwoofers. Then in 2007 replaced 10Ts with 9s.
I was the first person on the planet to use full range Aerial speakers "all around" in a home theater system - at the time, when I talked with Michael Kelly of Aerial, he was quite excited about this, as was I.
post #55 of 89
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Originally Posted by dancjodanc View Post

Aerial I have heard of..but know nothing about! Same with Thiel. But, something to check out. If I go back to B&W, it would have to be 802's now...and those are large. Revel would be the smaller Studio I think.....and as far as the widson....they just came out with a new in wall that's much cheaper...but have not heard them. I've heard Wilson has a somewhat harsher high ... but again, I don't know first hand. I see your a Casablanca owner...so you understand...that I want to match the pre/pro with something worthy! But..I can't blow $30,000 on speakers anytime soon! Audiogon is a great place to start...and right now...B&W and Revel, and even saw a pair of new Wilson Sophia 3's listed! I need to hit a show soon....and listen!
Have you heard of this company Tekton Design..the Penedragon? Rave reviews...but again....have not heard them....and killer price.

I've never heard of Tekton, but just now read review on hometheaterreview where it is said to be competing with 68k Wilson Maxx. My humble opinions: ignore this non-sense :-) and stay with the tried and true speakers we've mentioned on this thread. Unless you want to explore and waste $ (nothing wrong with this if you have the fund, it is fun), stay with reputable companies that are known to make top-notch speakers long term, that have had great reviews by reputable reviewers. Then listen to the speakers at show rooms and make your decision. Speakers to me are the single most important component to get right for your taste because they each have such distinctive signature (for example Wilson and Thiel both would benefit from tube preamp to tame the high, give more depth to soundstage, and bring sound to "wondrous" level), so take time on this decision. Don't hurry.

Yeah I understand exactly what you're talking about regarding CBIII and high end audio in general; expensive speaker begets expensive amp begets expensive pre/pro, etc., down the garden path we march :-). I initially bought my Thiel planning to drive it with Yamaha amp (!) that had great review in that all-amps-sound-the-same rag Stereo Review, and ended up with Krell FPB 600. Unfortunately cutting corners ("cheating" with a killer price component in an all-out system) very rarely works because the cheap component gets "exposed" by other revealing components surrounding it; I would love for it to work, but it hasn't been that way, for me anyway.

If you don't have one yet, you might want to get a copy of BD Super 8 and check out the train sequence. With respect to realism and excitement in sound, this is one of the most spectacular sequences I've ever seen in movies; and where your CBIII flexes its muscles. The scene tends to pin my demo audience to their seats, with frightening dynamics and *perfect 10* placement of surround effects. I believe it wil quickly prove why I said for speakers, particularly movie speakers, bigger is better. :-) If this scene doesn't make your audience short of breath LOL, you haven't surrounded the CBIII with good enough components.
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WOW..good advice from all! I like the way the Aerial 9's look.....really beautiful...and I know they require power...and I do need to listen to them! But according to what I'm reading and what your saying....they will match very well with the Casablanca....and they are 'dynamic'! Now, the CC5 speaker your talking about with the Aerial's....is that Magnapan? Or does Aerial have a center channel with the same model number? Again...I've seen Aerial's on Audiogon for a good price...and the dealer I bought the Casablanca from sells Aerial as well!

I also ran across a company called Salk. The speakers are really beautiful....but again...don't know much about them!

So, Bigbrother52....you use Aerial's? And is that just for theater...or do you use them duel purpose? I also need to do some digging here to see those photo's you talked about with Theta and the Aerials......and again..thanks, Joe
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Now, the CC5 speaker your talking about with the Aerial's....is that Magnapan? Or does Aerial have a center channel with the same model number? Again...I've seen Aerial's on Audiogon for a good price...and the dealer I bought the Casablanca from sells Aerial as well!

It's an Aerial CC-5, one of the best center channel speakers that I've ever heard.
In fact, since the maggie center was so limited in freq, response, my original plan was just to try and integrate the Aerial CC-5 into the system and keep the other maggies.
But, one thing lead to the other and, well, here I am with Aerials all the way around.

I imagine you mean Craig. If I'm correct then you'll want to speak with him about the Aerials. Mine were ordered through him as well

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Bigbrother52....you use Aerial's? And is that just for theater...or do you use them duel purpose? I also need to do some digging here to see those photo's you talked about with Theta and the Aerials......and again..thanks, Joe

I use the Aerials for 2 channel & 5.1 music and movies, they do everything equally well.

I would not go as far as to say that I don't ever miss the maggies ribbon tweeters at all, because at times I do! But I feel the benefit I receive from the Aerials far outweigh the loss of the ribbons.
I believe that you're current magnaplaner speakers do not actually employ True Ribbons for tweeters and they're all of the Quasi-Ribbon variety.
While I know that even the Quasi-Ribbons sound superb, you might experience even less of a loss in that department if you moved to Aerials.
In any case, IMO I'd consider this move less of a trade-off and more of a trade-up.
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I am talking about Craig in NJ, yes. I have a home IN NYC as well....and have talked to him for a long time..but never meet. I see he has a pair of 9's for a great price..and that silver finish is BEAUTIFUL! Again, maybe the step under the 9's would be fine as well? I need to find a dealer, and listen first. But, hopefully Craig can cut me a deal.

So with running all Aerial's....it's possible to get the best of both worlds...music and movies...as far as your concerned I mean?

I'm also waiting for the DIRAC board....wanted that for the maggie's to help dial in the sound...but maybe should wait and see, and put that money on the speakers! What models are you using for surround?
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Also....one of the reasons the Maggie's don't 'sing' as they should, so to speak...is because I don't have 5' of wall behind them. They are about 2.5' from the rear wall....and my partner just won't let me stick them that far out in the room!
That being said...I know all speakers need room to 'breath'....but wondered how far your Aerial's are from the back wall?
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I am talking about Craig in NJ, yes. I have a home IN NYC as well....and have talked to him for a long time..but never meet. I see he has a pair of 9's for a great price..and that silver finish is BEAUTIFUL! Again, maybe the step under the 9's would be fine as well? I need to find a dealer, and listen first. But, hopefully Craig can cut me a deal.

So with running all Aerial's....it's possible to get the best of both worlds...music and movies...as far as your concerned I mean?

I'm also waiting for the DIRAC board....wanted that for the maggie's to help dial in the sound...but maybe should wait and see, and put that money on the speakers! What models are you using for surround?

Four Aerial 9s, Aerial CC5, three Aerial SW-12 subs.

Yes I get the best for both music and movies!!@@

I have a large purposely built audio and video room with plenty of space from the Aerial 9s to the back wall.

For only a few feet from the back wall, its possible the Aerial LR5s might be better. Or maybe the new 7Ts. Ask Craig, and you could even call Michael Kelly of Aerial Acoustics, he will actually answer the phone much of the time!biggrin.gif
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