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post #121 of 477
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

Good call with relating this to Heroes. I get that too. There are elements of greatness with this show but there is a mundaness that is starting to happen. And I'm not a queezy guy by any stretch but the violence whether real or implied is a turn off for me. I think mainly because I don't feel it belongs on broadcast tv. But that's me.

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Originally Posted by qz3fwd View Post

I am shocked by the violence/gore on broadcast this season.
Hopefully kids nowadays are sent to bed at 9PM and dont see this stuff if there parents let them stay up late.

The violence on The Blacklist is almost tame compared to shows like Hannibal and The Following. It is so pervasive that many viewers are becoming jaded/desensitized, including younger children.
post #122 of 477
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Originally Posted by qz3fwd View Post

I am shocked by the violence/gore on broadcast this season.
Hopefully kids nowadays are sent to bed at 9PM and dont see this stuff if there parents let them stay up late.
Yeah, it's a little different than previous decades. I only let my oldest watch this show, 15yo.
post #123 of 477
I like the show so far not the best show for kids certainly agree there . I just found it on line last week watched 4 episodes ( PC to TV) forgot to set Dish DVR to record it tonight .
So I will watch it online and feed it to TV or stream to the big set . NBC HD flash player could be better but it works . I will have to set a weekly timer in Dish DVR .
post #124 of 477
Two observations after last night's episode:

1) Keen's husband must be guilty; his innocence looks much too obvious.

2) Keen is Reddington's daughter....he actually said at one point, "That's my girl!"smile.gif
post #125 of 477
Not to mention, when he was consoling her and placing his hands on her hand/arms. Definitely seems like a father figure to me
post #126 of 477
At least we know apple guy is not her father, unless he's a pervert one that likes to watch his daughter having makeup sex..

Hubby looked innocent to me, setup by Skinny Pete (hehe I forget his character name in this series)

So what's Reddington motivation to setup her husband? father jealousy?
post #127 of 477
To me it seems way to obvious that Red is her father. I called that 20 minutes into episode 1. I certainly hope there is a bit more of a deeper twist to it.
post #128 of 477
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

2) Keen is Reddington's daughter....he actually said at one point, "That's my girl!"smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Espnetboy3 View Post

To me it seems way to obvious that Red is her father. I called that 20 minutes into episode 1. I certainly hope there is a bit more of a deeper twist to it.

Perhaps not her father -seems too obvious, as everyone including me as said - but his interest and actions would indicate a blood relative. Maybe a niece? Or maybe a not-quite-blood relative like a god-daughter or something?
post #129 of 477
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post


Perhaps not her father -seems too obvious, as everyone including me as said - but his interest and actions would indicate a blood relative. Maybe a niece? Or maybe a not-quite-blood relative like a god-daughter or something?

Did you catch Red's line, "That's my girl!," which is the well-known idiom meaning either "That's my child," or, at the very least, "That's someone I'm proud of"?

I am not being dogmatic in saying she's her father (that's why I used a "smiley face" as a disclaimer), but she has to be some blood relative (as you suggested), IMO.

Do you think Keen's husband is a spy and guilty of murder?
Edited by djoberg - 10/29/13 at 8:05am
post #130 of 477
I think the assassin's wig looked better than Keen's wig, I think she should have an incident where she loses part of her hair and has to wear it short..
post #131 of 477
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Did you catch Red's line, "That's my girl!," which is the well-known idiom meaning either "That's my child," or, at the very least, "That's someone I'm proud of"?

I am not being dogmatic in saying she's her father (that's why I used a "smiley face" as a disclaimer), but she has to be some blood relative (as you suggested), IMO.

Do you think Keen's husband is a spy and guilty of murder?

Actually, I haven't see this week's episode yet. Clicked on the thread by mistake; then it was too late. redface.gif

But I've had that "blood relative" theory about Reddington for awhile. It just seems too easy to make Keen his daughter, and maybe making him her uncle gives them another character - her father or mother, his brother or sister - to introduce later to keep things from getting stale.

But this is an American broadcast TV show and we're on the AVS Forum. I guarantee you that if that "reveal" comes (her being his daughter), the interwebs will light up with millions of astonished viewers talking about what an amazing twist it was and how they never saw it coming. tongue.gif
post #132 of 477
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I think the assassin's wig looked better than Keen's wig, I think she should have an incident where she loses part of her hair and has to wear it short..
Margarita Levieva



I agree, Keen's hair looks terrible, she needs a different cut, or at least pulled back off her face



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post #133 of 477
The traditional misdirect where her husband is "cleared" only to be revealed later as someone bad after all.

My gut says the whole reason why Reddington "knows" her husband is bad is because he had worked with that assassin before and knows she was linked to him. It makes sense for him to have that kind of knowledge if he was in on that assassination years ago.

I always felt like he was her father. I allow for the possibility that he could have been a friend or relative to her father. Perhaps even possible that her father was CIA and was Reddington's handler... and Reddington is still a good guy and also a family friend basically.

Whatever the hinted-at endgame is, it just looks like they are building to him being important to her and genuinely caring about her.
post #134 of 477
Blacklist continues to be dumber than rocks but this is a Big 4 network show so dumbness comes with the territory. Spader alone is worth the price of admission, which makes the relative lack of talent of the beautiful girl playing (maybe) his daughter and the whiney voiced fellow playing the beautiful girl's husband easier to take. Despite its negatives, the show continues to hold my interest so I have renewed my commitment to stick around, for the moment at least.
post #135 of 477
OK so this FBI agent in the elevator cannot break the hold of a small 100 lb. woman. He can't smash her against the wall, he can't just grab her arm. She is so much stronger then him that there is nothing he can do?

Why did she say to her husband, "I don't work for the FBI" yet they always introduce themselves as FBI agents, they always flash their badge and say FBI, Red always says it, she went to the FBI academy.

There is no way she recognized the villian from a grainy photo, of her side profile, in a tiny little photo from someone standing off to the side.

To many dumb things are starting to add up. Spader can only carry this so far.
post #136 of 477
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Blacklist continues to be dumber than rocks but this is a Big 4 network show so dumbness comes with the territory. Spader alone is worth the price of admission, which makes the relative lack of talent of the beautiful girl playing (maybe) his daughter and the whiney voiced fellow playing the beautiful girl's husband easier to take. Despite its negatives, the show continues to hold my interest so I have renewed my commitment to stick around, for the moment at least.

Isn't it sad when you find yourself adjusting your expectations just because it's on a broadcast network? I do this as well.

You're basically saying, "I would never put up with this drivel if it were on AMC or Showtime." wink.gif

But, I agree with you. biggrin.gif

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OK so this FBI agent in the elevator cannot break the hold of a small 100 lb. woman. He can't smash her against the wall, he can't just grab her arm. She is so much stronger then him that there is nothing he can do?

Especially after he was depicted as such a capable fighter at that construction site an episode or two back.
post #137 of 477
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

OK so this FBI agent in the elevator cannot break the hold of a small 100 lb. woman. He can't smash her against the wall, he can't just grab her arm. She is so much stronger then him that there is nothing he can do?

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Especially after he was depicted as such a capable fighter at that construction site an episode or two back.

Over the years, there have been several TV series in which little tiny actresses portrayed Women of Action. In recent times, Dollhouse, Nikita, and Covert Affairs come to mind. I have lost track of the occasions where the little star has beat up a well trained 200 pound guy. Another frequently used convention is to show the little star outrunning a well trained, athletic looking man, while she is wearing high heels. What the hell, though, the girls are beautiful and this is network TV. smile.gif
post #138 of 477
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


Over the years, there have been several TV series in which little tiny actresses portrayed Women of Action. In recent times, Dollhouse, Nikita, and Covert Affairs come to mind. I have lost track of the occasions where the little star has beat up a well trained 200 pound guy. Another frequently used convention is to show the little star outrunning a well trained, athletic looking man, while she is wearing high heels. What the hell, though, the girls are beautiful and this is network TV. smile.gif

Upfront, I'm speaking out of turn to a degree because I haven't seen the last episode yet or the fight scene that you are discussing. But I do know that there are some holds that if applied properly can basically incapacitate an individual regardless of size. Again, I didn't see what transpired on the show so this may be irrelevant. My ex was in a similar field and came home after training and used me as a guinea pig to test what she learned. Now I wouldn't call her frail by any stretch but I do have an athletic background and was still the case at that point. Also, looking big and strong is not the same as being big and strong. I've come across a lot of "show muscle" in my day. Again, I'm not trying to justify something that I haven't even seen, I'm just offering some unsolicited information that I hope holds some real perspective by the time I get to watch this last episode (hopefully tonight after the game).
post #139 of 477
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


Over the years, there have been several TV series in which little tiny actresses portrayed Women of Action. In recent times, Dollhouse, Nikita, and Covert Affairs come to mind. I have lost track of the occasions where the little star has beat up a well trained 200 pound guy. Another frequently used convention is to show the little star outrunning a well trained, athletic looking man, while she is wearing high heels. What the hell, though, the girls are beautiful and this is network TV. smile.gif

I can buy a thin, small woman beating a larger man in a fight, but what can't buy is her holding on to him from behind and he can't do anything about it at all and is out in seconds.
post #140 of 477
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

I can buy a thin, small woman beating a larger man in a fight, but what can't buy is her holding on to him from behind and he can't do anything about it at all and is out in seconds.


Sounding more like my point is irrelevant. wink.gif
post #141 of 477
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


Over the years, there have been several TV series in which little tiny actresses portrayed Women of Action. In recent times, Dollhouse, Nikita, and Covert Affairs come to mind. I have lost track of the occasions where the little star has beat up a well trained 200 pound guy. Another frequently used convention is to show the little star outrunning a well trained, athletic looking man, while she is wearing high heels. What the hell, though, the girls are beautiful and this is network TV. smile.gif
Yeah, but that's not how this scene went down. Close quarters like that...he should've been able to get a move or two in. Through sheer strength difference. Now, if she had jumped on his back immediately and went for the sleeper, more believable. But beating him up first? Maybe he was hung over.
post #142 of 477
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


Over the years, there have been several TV series in which little tiny actresses portrayed Women of Action. In recent times, Dollhouse, Nikita, and Covert Affairs come to mind. I have lost track of the occasions where the little star has beat up a well trained 200 pound guy. Another frequently used convention is to show the little star outrunning a well trained, athletic looking man, while she is wearing high heels. What the hell, though, the girls are beautiful and this is network TV. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Spiky View Post

Yeah, but that's not how this scene went down. Close quarters like that...he should've been able to get a move or two in. Through sheer strength difference. Now, if she had jumped on his back immediately and went for the sleeper, more believable. But beating him up first? Maybe he was hung over.

Don't sweat the small stuff. Instead just lay back and enjoy the feminine pulchritude. Remember, this is network TV. smile.gif
post #143 of 477
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


Don't sweat the small stuff. Instead just lay back and enjoy the feminine pulchritude. Remember, this is network TV. smile.gif
No offense, but I don't like turning my mind off. Don't understand why so many do.
post #144 of 477
That girl was like Shaw on POI or Ming-na on SHIELD, kicked some arse.. she was certainly going to kick Keen's rear-behind if not being sucker shot by the FBI guy.
post #145 of 477
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Originally Posted by Spiky View Post

No offense, but I don't like turning my mind off. Don't understand why so many do.

That's what "entertainment" is. It's the equivalent of laying back and "closing your eyes for a minute" rather than napping. Shows like these generally don't command my full attention. I'm often doing something else (like reading and replying to AVS forum). It's "brain candy" - enjoyable, with no nutritive (mental) value, and too much will rot the brain. cool.gif
post #146 of 477
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Originally Posted by crabboy View Post

That's what "entertainment" is. It's the equivalent of laying back and "closing your eyes for a minute" rather than napping. Shows like these generally don't command my full attention. I'm often doing something else (like reading and replying to AVS forum). It's "brain candy" - enjoyable, with no nutritive (mental) value, and too much will rot the brain. cool.gif

And I'll add the "why" - at least in my case. I work a highly stressful position, with my mind going 90mph for 9 to 10 hours a day, sometimes longer (there are rare days, like today, when I get some breaks and can relax on here or other forums I track). Many days my office door is a revolving door with people coming in with problems for me to solve, issues to address, you name it. When I get home and turn on the tv, or when I go to the movie, the absolute last thing I want is for something to make my mind do any more work. I've done enough work - I want to relax. And that comes often in the form of mindless entertainment. Now if I were a ditch-digger, or a movie theater ticket clerk, I would probably want something more challenging when I watch tv or a movie. But I'm not, and I want "brain candy" as crabboy put it.
post #147 of 477
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Originally Posted by mike1812 View Post

And I'll add the "why" - at least in my case. I work a highly stressful position, with my mind going 90mph for 9 to 10 hours a day, sometimes longer (there are rare days, like today, when I get some breaks and can relax on here or other forums I track). Many days my office door is a revolving door with people coming in with problems for me to solve, issues to address, you name it. When I get home and turn on the tv, or when I go to the movie, the absolute last thing I want is for something to make my mind do any more work. I've done enough work - I want to relax. And that comes often in the form of mindless entertainment. Now if I were a ditch-digger, or a movie theater ticket clerk, I would probably want something more challenging when I watch tv or a movie. But I'm not, and I want "brain candy" as crabboy put it.

+1! Back in the day I had a similarly stressful job. Nevertheless, even back then I appreciated the dumber than rocks but often entertaining stuff the networks gave us. Now that I am retired and my life is a whole lot less stressful, to say the least, I still like to unwind on occasion with stuff that is even dumber than The Blacklist often is. The show has a beautiful (So what if she's not particularly talented? smile.gif) young woman, a remarkably talented star, and a lot of excitement. That's enough for me.
post #148 of 477
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

+1! Back in the day I had a similarly stressful job. Nevertheless, even back then I appreciated the dumber than rocks but often entertaining stuff the networks gave us. Now that I am retired and my life is a whole lot less stressful, to say the least, I still like to unwind on occasion with stuff that is even dumber than The Blacklist often is. The show has a beautiful (So what if she's not particularly talented? smile.gif) young woman, a remarkably talented star, and a lot of excitement. That's enough for me.

I can relate to that I was management positions for some well known multinationals for many years long hours filled with 'creative stress' also .

I'm retired now during the last ~20 + yrs we had our company cells with spare batteries on us 24 -7 and for almost as long our laptops as well know the drill well .

I always liked and action adventure + spy stuff with some brain teasing as well as documentaries still do never much liked mindless reality TV .

This show is interesting as far as network TV goes it is one of maybe 3 legacy broadcast TV network shows I watch the rest are the usual culprits some cable/sat channels Business,sports and news ,velocity channel, PBS ,Netflix,Amazon Prime .

Even set my DVR timer for The Blacklist in case I forget to tune in NBC does have the more recent episodes available to stream from their website .
worth a look if you haven't seen any or missed one.
post #149 of 477
I agree, Keen's hair looks terrible, she needs a different cut, or at least pulled back

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Why have they given her a wig that makes her look like a 40 year old from the 1970s? The actress wants people to stop talking about her hair, suggesting that people criticize women too often. This has nothing to do with criticizing a woman's physical appearance. It has to do with a really bad choice to use a really bad wig. Just give her natural looking hair!
post #150 of 477
Great episode last night.
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