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post #241 of 270
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Originally Posted by Redrum509 View Post

I just bought my set yesterday, I used youtube for awhile today and had no problems at all. Played smoothly and in HD.

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No issues for me.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm trying to figure this out. Mine definitely starts to stop start after around 10-15 minutes of playing youtube. Powering the TV off and on gets it working again for another 10-15 minutes before the problem starts again. The problem seems to trigger more quickly if I view many short segments of videos rather than one video continuously, e.g. watch a clip for 3-4 mins then press back go to another clip watch for a few minutes than press back then watch another clip, etc...

Can I just confirm that your TVs are connected via wifi and not Ethernet? I don't see this behaviour when watching on my laptop so my ISP connection (20Mb cable) and router (Netgear N750) can be ruled out I think.

My next step is to can try an Ethernet connection to the TV but don't have one long enough to reach from the router that is in located another room so will have to try work something out.

Netflix works perfectly at 1080p so I don't think my problems are bandwidth related.
post #242 of 270
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Originally Posted by roadieman View Post


Thanks for the feedback. I'm trying to figure this out. Mine definitely starts to stop start after around 10-15 minutes of playing youtube. Powering the TV off and on gets it working again for another 10-15 minutes before the problem starts again. The problem seems to trigger more quickly if I view many short segments of videos rather than one video continuously, e.g. watch a clip for 3-4 mins then press back go to another clip watch for a few minutes than press back then watch another clip, etc...

Can I just confirm that your TVs are connected via wifi and not Ethernet? I don't see this behaviour when watching on my laptop so my ISP connection (20Mb cable) and router (Netgear N750) can be ruled out I think.

My next step is to can try an Ethernet connection to the TV but don't have one long enough to reach from the router that is in located another room so will have to try work something out.

Netflix works perfectly at 1080p so I don't think my problems are bandwidth related.

Yes my tv is connected to wifi.
post #243 of 270
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Originally Posted by Redrum509 View Post

Yes my tv is connected to wifi.
OK thanks. I wonder what is causing my issue. I don't assume there are any logs we can get access to from the TV like any secret engineering codes or modes that will give logs?
post #244 of 270

Hey guys, there isn't alot of people talking about the EM60. I have a big problem with input lag because there is NO proper game mode (The "game" setting in the picture menu looks like just a "visual" setting). I tried turning off everything in the custom mode or in the game mode and there is still some considerable input lag because I can feel it even without running any tests. I looked for information everywhere but no one seems to have the EM60.

My last resort is to try with PS3 component cables. Could it be a solution ? Could it bypass the remaining post-processing effects that aren't in the picture menu ?

Please help/share your experience if you also have a EM60 connected to a PS3!

post #245 of 270
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Originally Posted by leftyguitar1963 View Post

Added the EM-60 to the thread. Only diff is 1 less hdmi & no smart viera tv functionality. It also has "Game Mode" vs the E-60 which has "Home Theater" setting instead. The bezel on the 50-inch version for the EM is .2 inches wider than the E60.

Any gamers tested input lag yet? Wondering if the game setting on EM is better? Since it has a dedicated setting.................
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There is no "Game mode" on the EM60 that I could find

post #246 of 270

Hi everyone,

 

I bought the TC-L58E60 about a month ago. Two weeks ago I noticed four (4) clouding areas, all pretty much equidistant from each other, in the top-half of the center of the screen. Only visible on black screen and in the dark, but still annoying esp. when gaming.

 

Has anyone else noticed this exact type of clouding issue in the center of their screen on dark images with lights off?

 

Based on where the four clouding areas (about 1-2" in diameter each) are located, with what looks looks like a visible outlined edge of something in the inside edge of the clouding areas, I am convinced that some piece of the TV was tightently too much on the back of the LCD panel during manufacturing. 

 

I'd hate to open up the back panel of >1 month old TV, and exchanging is a gamble.  Thoughts?

post #247 of 270
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Originally Posted by roadieman View Post


Thanks for the feedback. I'm trying to figure this out. Mine definitely starts to stop start after around 10-15 minutes of playing youtube. Powering the TV off and on gets it working again for another 10-15 minutes before the problem starts again. The problem seems to trigger more quickly if I view many short segments of videos rather than one video continuously, e.g. watch a clip for 3-4 mins then press back go to another clip watch for a few minutes than press back then watch another clip, etc...

Can I just confirm that your TVs are connected via wifi and not Ethernet? I don't see this behaviour when watching on my laptop so my ISP connection (20Mb cable) and router (Netgear N750) can be ruled out I think.

My next step is to can try an Ethernet connection to the TV but don't have one long enough to reach from the router that is in located another room so will have to try work something out.

Netflix works perfectly at 1080p so I don't think my problems are bandwidth related.
Yea, mine is wifi as well. Have you tried the direct connection yet? What about the factory reset, have you tried that yet?

For what it's worth I have ATT Internet.
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Originally Posted by Lordd G View Post

Hi everyone,



 



I bought the TC-L58E60 about a month ago. Two weeks ago I noticed four (4) clouding areas, all pretty much equidistant from each other, in the top-half of the center of the screen. Only visible on black screen and in the dark, but still annoying esp. when gaming.




Has anyone else noticed this exact type of clouding issue in the center of their screen on dark images with lights off?

Based on where the four clouding areas (about 1-2" in diameter each) are located, with what looks looks like a visible outlined edge of something in the inside edge of the clouding areas, I am convinced that some piece of the TV was tightently too much on the back of the LCD panel during manufacturing. 

I'd hate to open up the back panel of >1 month old TV, and exchanging is a gamble.  Thoughts?
Post up some photos.

I don't recall seeing any clouding like you mention, but I may be misunderstanding what you're describing.

The only problem I've been experiencing is voice/picture synching. It'll be fine and then I'll change channels a few times and then it gets off. If I turn it off and then on it goes back to normal. I haven't been able to try a different HDMI cable yet, but I think that may be the issue because sometimes it doesn't register the cable at all.
post #248 of 270


Here is the best photo I could take under the circumstances needed to see the clouding.   It's actually four "spots" within that red circle on the annotated photo.

 

Any help or assistance on the cause and resolution would be greatly appreciated!!

post #249 of 270

I bought a TC-50LE64 at Costco a couple months ago and have just had a chance to get it set up and put it through its paces. For the price it's great on nearly all counts. But the top corners of the screen are remarkably dim. Though I've noticed a couple other images in this thread show something similar. Perhaps it's normal for this model number?

 

I've contacted Panasonic, but they need to review the image below before they'll make a decision if it's something that needs to be fixed. And because I waited so long to set everything up, I've only got two days left to return it.

 

My question is this: Since I don't know if this is even abnormal, should I just assume Panasonic wouldn't be willing to fix it and take it back to Costco?

 

 

Apologies for the moire. My camera has a rather light anti-aliasing filter.

post #250 of 270

That looks very normal to me as I had the same on my TC50L60. After about 100 hours I calibrated my set for both dark and natural light and the set has been very fine.

post #251 of 270
Am I the only one being distracted by the smearing/blurring on small movements. For example when watching CNN, you notice a lot of blur in the reporters faces. It's even worse when gaming and I have game mode on.
post #252 of 270

Anyone else having trouble getting Netflix to give audio out on the optical audio out? On normal OTA TV I have no issues, the audio comes out loud and clear through my external speakers hooked up to the optical audio out, however when I watch movies on Netflix, the optical audio out doesn't send a signal to the speakers and I'm forced to watch on the TV speakers.... is this a solvable problem?

post #253 of 270
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Am I the only one being distracted by the smearing/blurring on small movements. For example when watching CNN, you notice a lot of blur in the reporters faces. It's even worse when gaming and I have game mode on.
I don't see that problem much. Sometimes I see it a bit, but I think it boils down to the feed. Which model do you?

Perhaps turning the motion picture setting up may help out?
post #254 of 270
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Originally Posted by Couchy View Post

I don't see that problem much. Sometimes I see it a bit, but I think it boils down to the feed. Which model do you?

Perhaps turning the motion picture setting up may help out?
Yeah, it's not there while watching blu-rays, but the smearing/blurring of light colors against dark backgrounds is pretty annoying. I looked closely at The Avengers and even in 24p, there is some smearing. And the blacks look like the top portion of this.
post #255 of 270

Is there a way to add Apps to these sets? Or does Panasonic update/add apps themselves?

post #256 of 270
I just picked up a TC-L58E60 yesterday (the last one available in Ontario it seems!!) and while I'm mostly extremely happy with the black levels and colours, I'm definitely seeing some irritating vertical banding. I've never owned a television this size before (a cheap 46" was the largest previously), but this isn't something I've come across before. Is this something common with larger sets? I have a 40" Samsung LCD that's about 6 years old and while it's black levels aren't great, I've never really noticed any serious banding. Other banding issues I've seen on sets are often one or two large thick bands, but mine seems to have very thin bands that run almost uniformly across the screen, almost like bars. Can't notice them at all in darker scenes of films, and they're not even all that apparent on bright backgrounds (like sky) unless the camera is panning. But when it does pan and it's bright, it can stand out like a sore thumb.

Since it seems like this set isn't going to be available much longer, I'm not sure what to do. I'm not really able to exchange it for a new one (unless I upgrade to the 65", which is out of my price range), as it seems most retailers in my province are sold out entirely. Does anyone else have this issue, and if so, does it seem less noticeable over time (mentally)? Could the banding potentially get worse with time? I'm torn between keeping it for it's other excellent qualities (and learning to ignore the banding) or returning it and waiting until something else with similar performance goes on sale.
post #257 of 270

I noticed a lack of crispness and impact when the backlight setting was at zero on the EM60.  After a few days of being unimpressed, here are the settings that finally gave me a wow effect that I was looking for:

 

Picture Mode: Custom

Backlight: 15

Contrast: 90

Brightness: 51

Color: 47

Tint: -9

Sharpness: 30

Color Temp: Warm

Black Level: Light

Everything Else: Off

 

A few hours later, I then discovered that the reset defaults for every mode is stupidly set at 95% overscan (HD Size 1), and only HD Size 2 is 1:1, but it didn't make a noticeable difference that I could tell.

 

Unfortunately, there's two main lingering issues with the EM60.

 

There appears to be some kind of laggy dynamic backlight going on which is really noticeable and annoying in switching from brighter to darker backgrounds, such as from the end of a movie back to the Roku main menu (brightening), and also among dark background closeup scenes with relatively brighter foreground objects to relativley darker foreground objects (dimming).

 

The other problem is the skin tones are off and with the crippled controls, there's just no way to correct that unless there is a service menu exposing what is needed.  It seems inconsistent too, some skin tones are pale and white, some are white but overly reddish in several areas, some are overall reddish and some are outright orangish overall.  I'm almost lost as to what normal skin tones are supposed to look like by now! 

 

Other minor issues are the reflective semi-glossy screen, it doesn't upscale 720p or less OTA broadcasts very sharply, and the lag makes it unsuable for the PC.  Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I would swear sometimes there's blurring.  This is most noticeable with the static cover art in Netflix; the same cover is sharp one day, but blurry several hours later or the next day.  However, moving it off the apparent region doesn't fix it, so I dunno.

 

Compared to the equivalent Samsung or other second tier panels, I do think the relative lack of edge-lit bleeding, clouding and flashlighting puts Panasonic in a league ahead for the price range (when appropriately discounted).  It's really too bad the E60 doesn't come in a 39" or 40" size, as the premium for the 42" isn't cost-effective just to have access to color adjustments to (hopefully) fix the flesh tones.

 

Unless I can fix the dimming and flesh tones, it's going back.  A pity.


Edited by EatStatic14 - 3/6/14 at 2:40am
post #258 of 270


So this is a photo I took (from my phone so the quality isn't great) of my TC-L58E60. Even with bright room lighting you can sort of see the banding running across the screen. That's likely defective, right? Looks like I'm going to try and find a different brand or wait a long while until the larger 65" model drops in price big time for clearance (as the warehouse seems to still have this one in stock). Any suggestions from other members on equivalent sets? If it wasn't for the banding, this TV would be incredible.
post #259 of 270
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Originally Posted by Hyp Toad View Post



So this is a photo I took (from my phone so the quality isn't great) of my TC-L58E60. Even with bright room lighting you can sort of see the banding running across the screen. That's likely defective, right? Looks like I'm going to try and find a different brand or wait a long while until the larger 65" model drops in price big time for clearance (as the warehouse seems to still have this one in stock). Any suggestions from other members on equivalent sets? If it wasn't for the banding, this TV would be incredible.

 

What is your back light level set at?

post #260 of 270
It's set at 35, but the backlight level doesn't seem to make a difference. Even when it's set to zero the bands are still clearly noticeable. I spoke to Panasonic customer service and they told me that what I described definitely doesn't fall under normal specifications.

I'm thinking of picking up a Samsung UN55FH6030. Definitely not my first choice, but Costco has a decent price for it and it seems to review ok (although I'm not interested in 3D). They have a 90 return policy so my hopes are that the remaining stock of the 65" E60 will go on clearance sale at Best Buy some point in the next 3 months and I can grab one of those and hope it doesn't have the same issues. I really love the television otherwise.
post #261 of 270

Could someone please PM the correct procedure to get into the service menu on the EM60?  There is NO volume control (or any controls) on the set itself, so the normal procedure that is hallmark for Panasonic does NOT work.

 

P.S. That banding is definitely abnormal!

post #262 of 270
It's going back on Friday sadly. Going to give it a go and see if the store will give me a good deal on a 65" model. If not, back to the old 40" until another sale rolls around!
post #263 of 270
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Originally Posted by Gregan Dunn View Post

Anyone else having trouble getting Netflix to give audio out on the optical audio out? On normal OTA TV I have no issues, the audio comes out loud and clear through my external speakers hooked up to the optical audio out, however when I watch movies on Netflix, the optical audio out doesn't send a signal to the speakers and I'm forced to watch on the TV speakers.... is this a solvable problem?

I am also finding this unit very frustrating in that regard.

It combines a really excellent picture with absolutely crappy sound, and THEN it seems that they failed to provide the ability to feed sound out to another 2 channel unit with much better sonics, either with normal RCA out or optical cable. You can feed to an ARC capable receiver via HDMI, but that doesn't get me anything useful.

Maybe we are missing something in set up, but what is the point of having a great picture on something that you'd never use to play a Blu Ray concert video on because the sound would make you cringe and there is no provision for outboard amplification - I believe that you can't even set the sound to off on the set, just turn it down. Why no pre outs like most sets?

It is like breeding a great race horse and then breaking its leg.......anyone have a solution?

Guess I'll have to try and figure some do-around or return the set.

PS - part of it may be solvable. Apparently there is a 'hotel' mode accessible through some combination of pressing the volume switch on the set itself, a secret handshake and manipulation of the remote that will produce the ability to turn off the on board speakers. We shall see. This wasn't in any of the literature, nor apparently know by the factory reps in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1511296/sound-from-resident-apps-on-panasonic-tcl55et60-does-not-go-thru-the-digital-optical-output-to-soundbar-help
Edited by wspohn - 3/11/14 at 10:35am
post #264 of 270
Received a firmware update last night. Panasonic said it fixes the lip sync issue. I have the ET60, but I would assume it was across the board.
post #265 of 270
Managed to get a look at two other 58" E60s, both running in high-end AV stores, and they also exhibited a the same banding issue I have above. I wonder if there were just a bad batch that made their way to this part of the world. One of the employees also noticed it and said while it would probably bother the hell out of him too, most consumers just aren't sensitive to those kind of issues.

Anyways, I managed to get a Samsung UN60F6400 for a very decent price (being delivered this week). While I doubt the picture quality will be as great as the Panasonic, the price was right and I'm hoping the image is pretty solid.
post #266 of 270
Considering the 65-inch TCL65E60 currently at C$2142, although I won't be buying until the snow has melted. Thoughts?
post #267 of 270
While I know nothing about conversion rates, that sounds like way too much. But it may be reasonable.
post #268 of 270
C$2142 is currently US$1961, so the price looks about right to me from what I see on the web. Is it a good choice? This is for a room with no windows (so plasma would have been ok but they appear to be more expensive).
post #269 of 270
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C$2142 is currently US$1961, so the price looks about right to me from what I see on the web. Is it a good choice? This is for a room with no windows (so plasma would have been ok but they appear to be more expensive).
Have you seen the picture quality in the store?

I think the picture on my ET60 is great. Exceeded my expectations. If you think it's a reasonable price and pic looks good I'd jump on it. Just make sure to look around and make sure there aren't better deals to be had.
post #270 of 270
Thanks for your input! I haven't seen it in the store yet...
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