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post #121 of 1083
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

They will not put out the same kind of an image at that price. Will it be better than the 1080p images were seeing today? Most definitely, but it won't compare to the 1000es and 600es. I'd put money on it.

Good point Seegs! This looks like a hell of a nice projector and would fit my needs beautifully, but it's just not realistic with my budget this year. Maybe next year I can swing it. Still looking forward to checking it out at Cedia though and torturing myself! tongue.gif

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post #122 of 1083
I can't wait to do a side by side with the 1000. smile.gif
post #123 of 1083
A Taiwan poster estimate throw distance chart of VW500ES :

http://www.hd.club.tw/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=165491&page=3#lastpost


Google translated :

"I have to zoom 2.06 times lens focal length estimate f = 21.3mm ~ 43.9mm, because SXRD or D-ILA projector lens is started from 21.3mm.

The figure made ​​Sony VPL-VW500ES from 80 inches to 200 inches desired minimum and maximum projection distance, if the prospective buyers in this distance range to ensure OK!"


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post #125 of 1083
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I can't wait to do a side by side with the 1000. smile.gif

The valid side by side would be the upgraded 1000ES and both compared to the suspect coming 1100ES. I assume both fed 1080p and both or all three fed 4K from the Sony server.
post #126 of 1083
This is the projector I've been waiting for!! On the per-order list.
post #127 of 1083
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

To those that have the 1000es and have seen the 50es. Is the 3D better then the 50es? Wondering if it has less ghosting as the panels are completely different and maybe faster? Also, would RF instead of IR help with ghosting or is that just to do with not losing sync?

Conan48

The 50 is as bright or a Little brigther then the 1000, but it can not compete with crosstalk against the 1000, there are allmost no crosstalk in the 1000, where the 50 is much like the VW95 and HW30 ( a lot better then the 90, but it is still there sometimes.)

The 1000 do not flicker like the others ( 30/50/90/95 ) and the motionflow on low is really good ( it still has "film look" but is still sharper and more natural in movements ) and the RC is doing very good ( adjusted "correct"/ low ) with 3D

In short, IMO the 1000ES is a lot better in 3D then the 50 in generel , but it needs more light ( as usual smile.gif ), a small screen or a high gain screen.

a big + for the new 500ES is the new glasses ( besides the RF ) , they are much lighter and comfortable too Wear - I wish they would work with the 1000:(.

dj
post #128 of 1083
You can jury rig an RF emitter to the external IR 3D emitter out to ANY projector. lots have done it here any use any multitude of RF glasses.
post #129 of 1083
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Originally Posted by scanido View Post

This is the projector I've been waiting for!! On the per-order list.

Same here, pretty much everything I was looking for and should be a nice upgrade from my Sony HW50. Just hope price isn't above the $12000 mark.
post #130 of 1083
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

You can jury rig an RF emitter to the external IR 3D emitter out to ANY projector. lots have done it here any use any multitude of RF glasses.


You are sure the TDG-BT500A Works with any RF emitter ? ( I actully have the Monster´s RF - emitter/ glasses...........you sold me them biggrin.gif ) because if thats correct, I should be ready - the Monster´s glass is okay, but the BT500 is a lot more comfortable then any other active glasses I have tryed ( only the passive is lighter / better / more comfortable )

Thanks for the tip, Mark - I will try to get one to test.

Is the leg going fine ?


dj
post #131 of 1083
I have found on past projectors that vent hot air on the front that I can see the heat vapors (?) on white screens / skies, etc. Anyone else experience this?
post #132 of 1083
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

I have found on past projectors that vent hot air on the front that I can see the heat vapors (?) on white screens / skies, etc. Anyone else experience this?

No, I never had any problems with that on the 90 and 95ES ( and havent even seen it on the HW30/50, but maybe I didnt look enought after it ? )


dj
post #133 of 1083
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

I have found on past projectors that vent hot air on the front that I can see the heat vapors (?) on white screens / skies, etc. Anyone else experience this?

I've noticed this on a couple different models. You aren't crazy.
post #134 of 1083
It's OK if they angle the flow toward the sides 30-40 degrees like the current JVCs.
post #135 of 1083
So how much better was the pic than my current vw95? I'm on the preorder list. Can anyone from the show give impressions compared to current sony and jvc projectors???
post #136 of 1083
Kraine has already answered that. The other machines were not at the show obviously and certainly no even close to valid A/Bs could be conducted. But man on man, those that were there would give you mostly Wow it blew away that other POS unless they owned the other POS and couldn't afford the Sony. I am surprised knowing you that you would ask this question. I haven't seen the 500 but lets assume its say 80% as good as the 1000ES is. It will blow the 95 away. JVC has fan boys and is the on off contrast champ but overall the Sony 500 if 80% as good as the 1000ES will in my opinion be a much better projector the the current JVCs as it should given its price point. This is not dumping on JVC, good value for the money projectors especially with e shift to approximate the look of true upscaled 4K displayed natively.
post #137 of 1083
Mark, if the Sony 500ES is about 80% of the 1000ES and the JVC Eshift projectors are 95% of the 1000ES, do you just recommend the JVCs?
post #138 of 1083
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

Mark, if the Sony 500ES is about 80% of the 1000ES and the JVC Eshift projectors are 95% of the 1000ES, do you just recommend the JVCs?
I have not seen the 500ES. I just picked a percentage out of a random passing posterior. I never ever felt the JVC gave anything close to 95% of the PQ of the 1000ES. The Sony is a much better projector than the JVC irrespective that it is native 4K. Bulb, lens, scaling etc etc the Sony 1000ES is a much better machine. Now e shift up to UHD from 1080p vs UHD up from 1080p on the Sony, I don't have a percentage for that. Let me make one thing very perfectly clear, buy the Sony if you can afford it, B stock best deal. Get it upgraded in November for another $2500. You will end up with essentially two new bulbs, will end up essentially with the rumored coming 1100ES with its expect MSRP of $28K. Plus you will have the hockey puck server and tablet control for it. You will be looking at an outlay of I think under $17K and end up with a $28K MSRP machine. If you want to discuss this further, please call me.
post #139 of 1083
Mark I was joking LOL
post #140 of 1083
OK. Sorry.
post #141 of 1083
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post #142 of 1083
I have been reading the Cine4home review and have found this to be something that nobody else has mentioned.

http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projektoren/Sony_VPL-VW500/Sony_VPL-VW500_Test_clip_image024.jpg
"despite the good operation is refined the system from generation to generation and it has this time significantly enhanced: the user can for the first time not only impact on the labor margin of the iris take (Full or Limited), but also determine the brightness, ie individually focus on black level Add or light output. Thus, any home cinema fans will find the perfect room conditions for its taste and balance."

So, it looks like not only can you select full and limited iris options, but you can actually set how bright and dark the image goes WITH the iris on full or limited. Kind of like the service menu tweak on the HW30/HW50/VW95. So even if the native contrast isn't as high as the VW1000, (VW1000 is 8000:1 - 18,000:1, VW500 is 6000:1 - 15,000:1 depending on throw) you can still adjust the vw500 to be the perfect amount of bright and dark with the auto iris still enabled.
post #143 of 1083
I wonder how much light output changes between zoom min and zoom max.
post #144 of 1083
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Originally Posted by Scott B View Post

I wonder how much light output changes between zoom min and zoom max.

Good question. In VW1000 the change was rather small ~ 10%, presumably due to the high quality of the lens employed. That would be one way to determine the lens quality in VW500.
post #145 of 1083
as always, Cine4home provides the best info out there on the new models. straight to the point with objective info, keeping the hyperbole under control.

Some interesting points

* 4K panels the same as the VW1000 - He is stating the panels are the same as the VW1000 (Nothing has changed more in the 4K panel, there are the same used as in VW1000) - does anyone have legit information claiming otherwise? He goes on to explain that the optical path was upgraded which explains why the lower wattage lamp can crank out nearly the same calibrated lumens as the VW1000.

* 2D lumen output - that is a shocker, nearly identical to the VW1000 with a smaller wattage lamp. That is great news, ~1500 D65 lumens in 2D is a great achievement.

* Built in CMS controls - not everyone is going to invest in the next gen 4K lumagen, this is more good news. The auto-cal feature should get close enough for most folks.

* Iris controls - additional iris controls will provide flexibility for each unique environment.

* RF Glasses - compatible with some other manufacturers. This is a nice feature since I was never able to get adjusted to the Sony IR glasses.


that's most of what I want to know. The only outstanding items:

* Brightness in 3D - Lamp pulsing? Brighter or the same as the VW1000?

* 3D flicker - not everyone sees this, it's visible to me on the HW30/HW50/VW95 but some have claimed it's not visible on the VW1000 (who have also seen the lower end models)

* RC Controls - Are there more tuning options? There's times I would want to turn it off on the HW50, curious to see if this is the same on the new models, or toned down a bit.

* lens performance vs. it's big brother - Pick a real, objective test and put some weight on this between the VW500 and VW1000. There's been few, if any deep dives into the VW1000 lens performance other than claims that it's made with dried unicorn tears and that we should accept it's the best optical glass every produced. I'm looking for something a little more objective. biggrin.gif

definitely looking forward to Cine4home's deep dive into the VW500, this is great first info.
post #146 of 1083
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

* lens performance vs. it's big brother - Pick a real, objective test and put some weight on this between the VW500 and VW1000. There's been few, if any deep dives into the VW1000 lens performance other than claims that it's made with dried unicorn tears and that we should accept it's the best optical glass every produced. I'm looking for something a little more objective. biggrin.gif.

No unicorn tears were used, I can assure you. They were forged in secret by Sauron himself in the depths of Mount Doom. It's the one lens that rules them all.

Joking aside. I think Sony has a unique footing in home theater market today. They've had the lead with 4K for a couple years now and if JVC doesn't deliver this year they'll be behind another year. The one thing other than resolution JVC needs to update is the motion handling on their panels. 2D performance and more specifically 3D performance will greatly benefit if their chips can be driven faster.
post #147 of 1083
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

as always, Cine4home provides the best info out there on the new models. straight to the point with objective info, keeping the hyperbole under control[/B].

Some interesting points

* 4K panels the same as the VW1000 - He is stating the panels are the same as the VW1000 (Nothing has changed more in the 4K panel, there are the same used as in VW1000) - does anyone have legit information claiming otherwise? He goes on to explain that the optical path was upgraded which explains why the lower wattage lamp can crank out nearly the same calibrated lumens as the VW1000.

* 2D lumen output - that is a shocker, nearly identical to the VW1000 with a smaller wattage lamp. That is great news, ~1500 D65 lumens in 2D is a great achievement.

* Built in CMS controls - not everyone is going to invest in the next gen 4K lumagen, this is more good news. The auto-cal feature should get close enough for most folks.

* Iris controls - additional iris controls will provide flexibility for each unique environment.

* RF Glasses - compatible with some other manufacturers. This is a nice feature since I was never able to get adjusted to the Sony IR glasses.


that's most of what I want to know. The only outstanding items:

* Brightness in 3D - Lamp pulsing? Brighter or the same as the VW1000?

* 3D flicker - not everyone sees this, it's visible to me on the HW30/HW50/VW95 but some have claimed it's not visible on the VW1000 (who have also seen the lower end models)

* RC Controls - Are there more tuning options? There's times I would want to turn it off on the HW50, curious to see if this is the same on the new models, or toned down a bit.

* lens performance vs. it's big brother - Pick a real, objective test and put some weight on this between the VW500 and VW1000. There's been few, if any deep dives into the VW1000 lens performance other than claims that it's made with dried unicorn tears and that we should accept it's the best optical glass every produced. I'm looking for something a little more objective. biggrin.gif

definitely looking forward to Cine4home's deep dive into the VW500, this is great first info.


Agree completly about Cine4home - exellent Work from Ekki and his team. smile.gif

And yes , the 500ES looks like a impressive projector and a good Price ( when you consider all the goodies ) .

dj
post #148 of 1083
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* lens performance vs. it's big brother - Pick a real, objective test and put some weight on this between the VW500 and VW1000. There's been few, if any deep dives into the VW1000 lens performance other than claims that it's made with dried unicorn tears and that we should accept it's the best optical glass every produced. I'm looking for something a little more objective.

That will be interesting to see. I imagine it will some months before we see a head to head comparison.
post #149 of 1083
One thing I am curious about for the CIH zoom guys like me is if there is enough masking support to deal with variable aspect films to make them constant 2.35? Do the other Sony models historically over the last few years have enough masking range for this?
post #150 of 1083
I'll look forward to the tests, especially with the Red laser still very much in limbo. Doubt I'd pay $15,000 at this point in time, though, for any lamp based projector.
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