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post #31 of 76
for FPS gaming you need to be 16 or less to be a chance at a decent K/D ratio. I have the 1ms input lag monitors and I tried the xbox 360 with COD online and man did I dominate after not playing it for 6 months. The low input monitor made it pretty fun! The kids never had a chance! Especially since most of them dont know about input lag and are playing on TVs. How ever the monitors dont give you that much advantage on PC as most people run a 1080p monitor with low lag input. So these 4K tv will be good for FPS on the consoles but not so good on the PC and its just something you have to live with. I seriously cant wait to try NBA 2k14 on 4K!!!!
post #32 of 76
Hatlesschimp thanks for the info. I get what your saying for most part. I wasnt sure what you were saying about the 4k sets being good for consoles. I read the Samsung 4k runs at 60ms. I was under impression that's not so good. The panny will have better specs I take it. I'm not sure what the average lag is for led sets. But your saying the 4k inputs should help with that?
Thanks
post #33 of 76
I think their is a basic rule of thumb for input lag times on a LED LCD.

Its something like the following.

30hz = 30ms
60hz = 16ms
120 = 8ms
144hz = 2ms

Then you have the picture imaging and processing things going on that push it out from there.

Im not 100 percent on this and best guy to ask is Mark Rejon. He is very cluey when it comes to this stuff and I'm sure he has an article related to this on his site.
http://www.blurbusters.com/

I'm thinking the 4K tvs could be overclocked with a graphics card to 120hz on either 1080p or even 4K.
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post #35 of 76
That helps. Thus the importance of a true hdmi 2.0 60hz connection. I'm assuming the upgraded 10bit panel will help the processing time. The panny is sounding nice.
post #36 of 76
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It a transparent table-top stand shaped like a toboggan, and a pop-up camera along the top of the panel.
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The version of this that I saw a few months ago did not have any acrylic in the base. It is essentially a bent metal base.
post #37 of 76
Just a heads up...

Some Best Buy Stores have started to received Display Models of the new Panasonic 4k set. I know of two Stores stating that have them. From what I was told the top 50 Magnolia Stores are getting these displays. I found 2 Stores out in California that have them, but have not set them up as of today. The Store in Murrieta CA & La Cienega, CA.
post #38 of 76
Hey everyone.

Some Best Buy Magnolia locations have started to received Display models for the new Panasonic. I was lucky and found a store in Canoga Park/Woodland Hills in California. I had called them a few days ago and they said they received a display model, but they were not sure when they would have it up. They called me yesterday to let me know it was going up so me and my fiancée took a drive out to check it out.

The Manager informed me when we arrived that they were one of a few Magnolia stores that received it early and that only the top 50 Magnolia Stores were getting early display models.

So the impressions so far are very positive. The set looks gorgeous and color reproduction is very good. This is THX Certified set and it showed. They had it side by side with a Sony 4k set and a Samsung 4k set. The Sony and Panasonic were running the same feed from the Sony set, which was 4k content. First thing we noticed was the black level was very good on the Panasonic. They had it in Vivid Mode, but for comparisons sake they also had the Sony on Vivid mode. The Panasonic flat out had better color reproduction overall and better black levels.

My fiancée which is not as picky as I am easily said the Panasonic just looked better. White's were more pure, black was more pronounced and the color just seemed to pop more on the Panasonic. I took my laptop cause I wanted to see what text and a desktop looked like and it looked sharper and a little cleaner than the Sony. I has some 1080p content to check out the up scaling and it looked really good.

I did verify and this set does indeed have Display Port, so those with monster rigs (like mine..hehehe) can run 4k resolution at 60fps on a 65" Screen! Finally!!! As promised by Panasonic the set does have HDMI 2.0, but there is a fine line that they need to be careful with. While Panasonic flys the "We got HDMI 2.0 on our set" flag, HDMI 2.0 is only available on the HDMI 4 input. The remaining HDMI inputs are standard 1.4a HDMI. The clerk told me that Panasonic said they will have a firmware update for the remaining 3 ports, but he had nothing specific on that. Browsing the user manual it does state that it is HDMI 4 only that has 2.0 but no mention of upgrading the other ports.
post #39 of 76
Thread Starter 
Your first impressions sound positive, I can't wait to see it myself. Did it make you think about getting it? I'm surprised that even in Vivid mode it still looked very good, usually that's the worst setting to use but that's great.
post #40 of 76
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Your first impressions sound positive, I can't wait to see it myself. Did it make you think about getting it? I'm surprised that even in Vivid mode it still looked very good, usually that's the worst setting to use but that's great.

I also tried it in THX Bright Room and THX Cinema and to me it looked even better in those modes. I never have been a fan of Vivid, but since the other 2 were in this mode, they had the Panasonic in that mode for comparison sakes. Will I get it???

Yeah, I already ordered it and set up delivery. They are not hitting the Best Buy Warehouse until the 13th and first delivery date available was the 16th, but I am at Disneyland with my fiancée for 4 days and then on Saturday I have a meeting with the Cruise Line. We are doing our wedding on a cruise ship and after the ceremony, the ship takes off for a 15 day cruise to Hawaii, so we have to go over some of the wedding details with their staff and do a ship tour. Due to that I had to get the delivery date pushed to the 20th.
post #41 of 76
Very strange that only one hdmi port is 2.0 IMO, whether they intend to update the others or not.
post #42 of 76
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Very strange that only one hdmi port is 2.0 IMO, whether they intend to update the others or not.

Yeah, they were really coy in their marketing materials about it. I only found out when the guy at the Store mentioned it to me. He then turned the screen around and I was able to see it myself. On line, you can call up a separate specs sheet that mentions it, but on the website under specifications it makes no mention of only one hdmi port being 2.0. I also wonder what it is about HDMI 4 though. On the Sony 4k's, it is HDMI 4 that had the board swap to allow their media player to work.
post #43 of 76
In think its something to do with the hcdp or hccp or hpdc ( I no its some thing like that lol) they have clamped down on it for hdmi 2.0. Its a tighter spec and I dont think hdmi 1.4 is going to handshake well with it. We will see in time I guess.
post #44 of 76
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In think its something to do with the hcdp or hccp or hpdc ( I no its some thing like that lol) they have clamped down on it for hdmi 2.0. Its a tighter spec and I dont think hdmi 1.4 is going to handshake well with it. We will see in time I guess.

HDCP - High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection smile.gif
post #45 of 76
LOL thanks
post #46 of 76
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I also tried it in THX Bright Room and THX Cinema and to me it looked even better in those modes. I never have been a fan of Vivid, but since the other 2 were in this mode, they had the Panasonic in that mode for comparison sakes. Will I get it???

Yeah, I already ordered it and set up delivery. They are not hitting the Best Buy Warehouse until the 13th and first delivery date available was the 16th, but I am at Disneyland with my fiancée for 4 days and then on Saturday I have a meeting with the Cruise Line. We are doing our wedding on a cruise ship and after the ceremony, the ship takes off for a 15 day cruise to Hawaii, so we have to go over some of the wedding details with their staff and do a ship tour. Due to that I had to get the delivery date pushed to the 20th.


Wow, awesome and congrats on your wedding. We will wait for your review. wink.gif
post #47 of 76
I got a look at this set today. The colors are accurate. They only had a loop running of 1080p material, no 4k as it was just installed and the rep didn't have any other feed or material for now. I didn't care for the lighted panel below the set with the panny logo. I'm assuming that can be turned off as its a distraction. The upscaled loop they had showed the color on this set is quite realistic. I prefer the color on this set better than the Sony. I also was able to see the new sharp 70 inch 4k. I thought the color was on par with the panny very accurate skin tones are spot on. I was hoping to see a football game on either but both stores I was at had the wrong setups.

The 850 Sony IMO is inferior to both of these. The matte screen really clouds the clarity of the set. Both the sharp and panny had a matte screen but were not near as detracting from the image. I'm still stuck a bit on making a choice. I like the f9000 sammy ver vibrant and seems to do well with 1080 material and 4k is great. I'm considering the sharp as the 70in screen would be a nice step up. The lg didn't impress me overall seemed OK but didn't give me that wow factor.

I'm wondering also if the Sammy 240 hz will really help with sports and reduce stutter. The Sony 4k tennis/soccer loop really showed the lag, the ball would stutter and resembled a fast frame photo shoot. You could see the ball in steps as it crossed the screen I'm guessing the processing of the 4k from the media server was lagging but it was noticible on the sports segments of the promo loop. I wish I could see same loop on Sammy to see if the 240hz helps with this problem. And would this problem be more prevalent with 4k material due to the higher detailed material being processed. If someone could help me understand this refresh rate stuff that may help. I just noticed watching fast action Irobot scenes on the Sammy I never saw this jittering. Also I know the Sammy has quad core processor vs dual core. I'm assuming that processor only help in processing of the smart TV functions? Or is this also used in image rendering? Does help with reducing gaming lag?

I'm still considering the sharp, penny, Samsung. Sony is out as I don't want the speakers on the 900 and the 850 IMO is inferior set to the others I'm considering. I know the penny has 2.0 HDMI, Samsung is upgradable via expansion kit, sharp I think will be a software push.
post #48 of 76
Just go the Panasonic. I have the Sony and love that. but future wise at least you have all the ports ready to go. I think all the juddering you see is from the TVs running at 30hz. Movies are fine at 30hz but sport is a no good. But I reckon you would struggle to find any live sport in 4k in the world at the moment. I think Sony are going to do 4k for the world cup just like they did 3D for the last one. 1080p on the Sony is awesome plus if your in the US the only 4K content is Sony. I think Netfliks or Quickflix will have 4K soon but be prepared to dowload it days in advance and have unlimited data on your internet plan.
post #49 of 76
post #50 of 76
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Just go the Panasonic. I have the Sony and love that. but future wise at least you have all the ports ready to go. I think all the juddering you see is from the TVs running at 30hz. Movies are fine at 30hz but sport is a no good. But I reckon you would struggle to find any live sport in 4k in the world at the moment. I think Sony are going to do 4k for the world cup just like they did 3D for the last one. 1080p on the Sony is awesome plus if your in the US the only 4K content is Sony. I think Netfliks or Quickflix will have 4K soon but be prepared to dowload it days in advance and have unlimited data on your internet plan.

I bet your right, makes sense the jutter would be a frame rate issue with 1.4 HDMI. That's reassuring that can be fixed down the road.
post #51 of 76
I took another look at this set. And talked with some folks at magnolia about the set. I'm wondering how key is the display port? I'm no expert in its benefits over a HDMI 2.0 port. It appears the new Xbox one will have display port which make this TV a good match up. I don't know if xboxs HDMI will upgrade to 2.0. Assuming it will have both HDMI 2.0 and display port. What advantage is one over the other or one in the same essentially. I'm not sure if I should let display port be a factor for me, since I don't have a htpc. Anyone can add anything here would be great. If I understood the magnolia employee correctly best buy will have a 3 month exclusive on this set when it releases. I may had misunderstood that point, but didn't see that as a good thing overall.
post #52 of 76
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I took another look at this set. And talked with some folks at magnolia about the set. I'm wondering how key is the display port? I'm no expert in its benefits over a HDMI 2.0 port. It appears the new Xbox one will have display port which make this TV a good match up. I don't know if xboxs HDMI will upgrade to 2.0. Assuming it will have both HDMI 2.0 and display port. What advantage is one over the other or one in the same essentially. I'm not sure if I should let display port be a factor for me, since I don't have a htpc. Anyone can add anything here would be great. If I understood the magnolia employee correctly best buy will have a 3 month exclusive on this set when it releases. I may had misunderstood that point, but didn't see that as a good thing overall.

Xbox One will not have Display Port. Not sure where you heard that, but it definitely does not have Display Port. Sony or Microsoft have not announced that they will include HDMI 2.0. At this point it is very doubtful because if one of them were, they would of already mentioned it.

Display Port for now is good for a high end computer to push 4k resolution at 60fps. It is the only TV to come with this port. Almost every graphics card has Display Port, so it is a good fit. It is also the only device that has HDMI 2.0 out of the box, but this is currently useless since you need something on the other end with HDMI 2.0 as well and nothing has been announced. I am sure Graphic Cards and other devices in 2014 will have HDMI 2.0 so that would be good.

Personally speaking, me and my fiancée checked out the Panasonic for over 2 hours at a magnolia. They had it running next to the Sony 4k 900a and a Samsung. The Panasonic was being fed the same Sony 4k content so I could compare them side by side and we both thought the Panasonic looked a lot better. Colors were more accurate and it had better blacks. We were there within 30 minutes of them setting up, so the store associates were also checking it out and agreed that it did look better overall. I currently have the Sony 4k and arranged an exchange for the Panasonic. I have a very high end computer where I will be able to push 4k at 60fps, so for me it having a Display Port is a big deal. The fact that it looked better than the Sony is what sold me. I could of lived without the display port because I know that they will make better Graphic Cards in 2014 and they should have HDMI 2.0, but for today, for me the Panasonic is the best choice.
post #53 of 76
Hawkmoon

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your info, as not my intention to disseminate bad info. I should had known the info I was given about the Panasonic / Xbox display port match up was from 2 employees at magnolia. I had done some looking into xboxs lack of HDMI 2.0. I never thought to double check the display port info they gave me as they seemed confident in their response. Obviously they have no idea what they are talking about and I finding it frustrating.

Funny thing is they had a Sony 850 mounted above the panny with a Sony 4k loop. They blame the panny rep for only giving them a 1080 bluray looped to display on the panny. I asked if it would be OK for them to temporarily feed the panny the Sony 4k feed so I could compare. They said absolutely not since that would constitute a breach in licensing agreement with Sony and bb. Apparently that's bologne too, since you were able to see both. I would have loved to compare them and against the 900 they had. Comparing a 4k loop to panny 1080 feed didn't help me compare.

Its interesting you and your wife liked the panny better than the other models. I agree the panny looked good with 1080. I think we are trying to decide if matte screens are a problem for us. We also enjoy the 900 Sony and 9000 Sammy which are both gloss finish, which seem to pop. I'm thinking the presentation I was given on the panny did it injustice, we drove an hour to see it since the Marrietta store was selected for a early panny set. I think they should rethink who they select as top magnolia centers. They didn't even have a direct TV feed piped to the whole magnolia center. But asked if we wanted to sign up. Jeesh!
post #54 of 76
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Xbox One will not have Display Port. Not sure where you heard that, but it definitely does not have Display Port. Sony or Microsoft have not announced that they will include HDMI 2.0. At this point it is very doubtful because if one of them were, they would of already mentioned it.

Display Port for now is good for a high end computer to push 4k resolution at 60fps. It is the only TV to come with this port. Almost every graphics card has Display Port, so it is a good fit. It is also the only device that has HDMI 2.0 out of the box, but this is currently useless since you need something on the other end with HDMI 2.0 as well and nothing has been announced. I am sure Graphic Cards and other devices in 2014 will have HDMI 2.0 so that would be good.

Personally speaking, me and my fiancée checked out the Panasonic for over 2 hours at a magnolia. They had it running next to the Sony 4k 900a and a Samsung. The Panasonic was being fed the same Sony 4k content so I could compare them side by side and we both thought the Panasonic looked a lot better. Colors were more accurate and it had better blacks. We were there within 30 minutes of them setting up, so the store associates were also checking it out and agreed that it did look better overall. I currently have the Sony 4k and arranged an exchange for the Panasonic. I have a very high end computer where I will be able to push 4k at 60fps, so for me it having a Display Port is a big deal. The fact that it looked better than the Sony is what sold me. I could of lived without the display port because I know that they will make better Graphic Cards in 2014 and they should have HDMI 2.0, but for today, for me the Panasonic is the best choice.
Thanks for the info.Im trying to see one in my area no luck so far,but I did see the new Sharp.
post #55 of 76
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Hawkmoon

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your info, as not my intention to disseminate bad info. I should had known the info I was given about the Panasonic / Xbox display port match up was from 2 employees at magnolia. I had done some looking into xboxs lack of HDMI 2.0. I never thought to double check the display port info they gave me as they seemed confident in their response. Obviously they have no idea what they are talking about and I finding it frustrating.

Funny thing is they had a Sony 850 mounted above the panny with a Sony 4k loop. They blame the panny rep for only giving them a 1080 bluray looped to display on the panny. I asked if it would be OK for them to temporarily feed the panny the Sony 4k feed so I could compare. They said absolutely not since that would constitute a breach in licensing agreement with Sony and bb. Apparently that's bologne too, since you were able to see both. I would have loved to compare them and against the 900 they had. Comparing a 4k loop to panny 1080 feed didn't help me compare.

Its interesting you and your wife liked the panny better than the other models. I agree the panny looked good with 1080. I think we are trying to decide if matte screens are a problem for us. We also enjoy the 900 Sony and 9000 Sammy which are both gloss finish, which seem to pop. I'm thinking the presentation I was given on the panny did it injustice, we drove an hour to see it since the Marrietta store was selected for a early panny set. I think they should rethink who they select as top magnolia centers. They didn't even have a direct TV feed piped to the whole magnolia center. But asked if we wanted to sign up. Jeesh!

The Store I went to was in Los Angeles, Woodland Hills to be exact. They had no issues feeding the Sony 4k feed, which to me is the only way to really compare the sets. The screen on the Panasonic just looked a lot cleaner than the Sony. The blacks were a lot better. Both sets were running in "Vivid" mode, which is a mode I would never use in home, but I was able to set the Panasonic to its THX Bright Room setting and the image looked even better because some color were not exaggerated like they are in Vivid mode.

According to a few Magnolia Stores only the top 50 stores across the country received the early displays models. The actual TV's that we can buy hit the Best Buy Warehouse yesterday, so if you go to Best Buy's website it is now listed under "add to cart". I get my set next Monday. I could of had it this Wednesday, but I promised my fiancée we would take a trip to Disneyland this week and on Saturday I have a tour of a cruise ship which we will be doing the wedding on, so I had to choose next Monday for delivery.

I plan on putting up an "Official" owners thread. I have a bunch of links to user manuals, videos at other stuff to put in the 1st post of the thread. I will probably do this tonight or next Sunday and then also post impressions, settings, input lag results, 4k@60fps performance and whatever else I can think of.
post #56 of 76
Looking forward to your hands on evaluation of this new 4K Panny. Congrats on the wedding too.
post #57 of 76
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Hawkmoon

Funny thing is they had a Sony 850 mounted above the panny with a Sony 4k loop. They blame the panny rep for only giving them a 1080 bluray looped to display on the panny. I asked if it would be OK for them to temporarily feed the panny the Sony 4k feed so I could compare. They said absolutely not since that would constitute a breach in licensing agreement with Sony and bb. Apparently that's bologne too, since you were able to see both. I would have loved to compare them and against the 900 they had. Comparing a 4k loop to panny 1080 feed didn't help me compare.

Sony is actually VERY adamant about their content not being demo'd on any other brand of TV. Just because one store, or a handful of stores, choose to do it anyway doesn't mean that it is ok.
post #58 of 76
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Sony is actually VERY adamant about their content not being demo'd on any other brand of TV. Just because one store, or a handful of stores, choose to do it anyway doesn't mean that it is ok.

I don't thing anyone ever said it was "ok", nor did say anything about it being wrong/right. Just stating what one particular Store was doing. If I was Sony, I would agree that I want to show content made for my T.V. to be only on my T.V. not the competition. As a consmer, it was nice to see a way to compare them with the same content. That is all I was trying to say about what I say.
post #59 of 76
Your fortunate to be able to make such a comparison. This just summarizes why I'm not necessarily in the BB camp. Their presentation of their sets vary and no consistency between stores. Some magnolia centers are even in open lighting with huge overhead blaring lights. Sony and other makers should find issue with that also. Their sets are not even being presented the same. I would had even liked to see the sets with a direct TV feed available to view regular programming.
post #60 of 76
Again hawkmoon thanks for your contribution and sharing your viewing experience with these sets.
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