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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by Dj Dee View Post

Not grey at all, all the new models from jvc this year. And it even have deeper black than a CRT.
Have a look😉
It IS a new model JVC, with eshift.
post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

It IS a new model JVC, with eshift.

The x500, x700 and x900 after what I have seen The x500 is best value for the buck.
New 2014
Also with iris. Auto 1 setting to dark some black crush auto iris 2 perfect. 😉
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by Dj Dee View Post

Not grey at all, all the new models from jvc this year. And it even have deeper black than a CRT.
Have a look😉

Anyone can prove that the best digital can do fade to black? Can view 'zero dark thirty' or 'dark knight' in its full glory during night scene?
post #34 of 51
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Originally Posted by tanwn1 View Post

Anyone can prove that the best digital can do fade to black? Can view 'zero dark thirty' or 'dark knight' in its full glory during night scene?

Do not need to say more than YES like a CRT or better.See for yourself. Jvc x500.
post #35 of 51
Haha yes saw it but its still grey.
post #36 of 51
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Originally Posted by tanwn1 View Post

Haha yes saw it but its still grey.

Do not know what you have tested, and what settings calibrated or not. But all jvc x500/x700 I have seen are not grey at all hehe. Even deeper black. I think you just remember a picture in a film and locked at something else.hehe Common CRT user memory of black, like me to.
post #37 of 51
During night scene if you put your hand in front of your jvc x500 do you see shadow pupppet?
post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by tanwn1 View Post

During night scene if you put your hand in front of your jvc x500 do you see shadow pupppet?

No.... 100% no. Then in black. Have You seen this PJ ??? Just Wonder.
Maybe you used iris off. You need it on auto2
Edited by Dj Dee - 3/20/14 at 5:35am
post #39 of 51
This is on the VW1000 very very little stray light in very low apl scenes.
The jvc is 7 times better in this scenes than the vw1000 by numbers on my screen.
Picture of a dark dark night scene when picture taken. Then I can see some on my hand yes on the vw1000, but very very little. Iris on auto full. But not on the x500. Typical test movie on this is pacific rim at the start.

post #40 of 51
Ok so if I decide to go digital which should I get? A sony w1100 or jvc x500/700. Which is better for dark scene, 4k, 3d etc?
post #41 of 51
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Originally Posted by KennyG View Post

As someone who used to by very active in this forum, and cut my teeth on the XG's. It's hard to say. This particular XG1351 has been on the ceiling for 9 years now, and has gone from 750 tube hours (when I bought it) to 3700 now, in this 9 year span I have touched up grayscale once, and it gets about 5 minutes of convergence work three times a year.
In the last two years I have setup two JVCs, a X95 and X75. While they are both nice projectors, and easy to setup with a decent grayscale out of the box. (IT still needs to be calibrated) I will still take my XG1351 with Moome card, Darbee, and all glass lenses, which brings this units sharpness very close to a stock JVC. The deal breaker for me is no longer Black Level and shadow detail (the top JVC is on par here) it's now the motion. The digitals just don't look natural in many scenes, and it takes me right out of the mood. I can't really put my finger on it, and I haven't done any research (just not impressed enough to seriously consider the change) but with the addition of the Darbee, and the OPPO 105 as a source my XG's picture is still on par with the best digitals. To top it off, I have new parts setting in boxes, but it's been rock solid. (power conditioning has allot to do with that)
The ownly real draw back is not having a set of NOS tubes for it.
Your 9500 is still a great display that'll match any digital, it all comes down to you and your needs and wants. I can see both sides of it, and from my view, one is not necessarily better than the other...except for that motion thing, which one of my friends didn't even notice until I pointed it out.

Hey there Kenny. Nice to see you still on the forum. I have returned here recently after a 10 year hiatus.
I can add perspective to this thread since (as you may remember) I also was an NEC XG owner and very recently purchased a JVC RS4910 (same as X500) for my latest theater still under construction.
I had all the same questions being asked in this thread in regards to black level, motion, etc. when going digital. My research (and budget) led me to the JVC D-ILA. I have played with it a bit and made several adjustments to the image. I am very happy with the performance as I do not notice any motion blur, however, the black level is NOT on par with the NEC XG but close. I think I can get it there with a slightly grey screen. I have several scenes I demo and the JVC is not quite there yet but close enough to make digital the way to go this time around as it fits the space better, its quieter and all around more convenient. My tinkering and converging days are over.
post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by tanwn1 View Post

During night scene if you put your hand in front of your jvc x500 do you see shadow pupppet?

Haha.
Nope. Not quite as dark as CRT but almost there! With my CRT you could not see someone walk in front of you during a "black" scene. With the JVC you can make out someone else in the theater but just barely.
post #43 of 51
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Originally Posted by Torre View Post

Hey there Kenny. Nice to see you still on the forum. I have returned here recently after a 10 year hiatus.
I can add perspective to this thread since (as you may remember) I also was an NEC XG owner and very recently purchased a JVC RS4910 (same as X500) for my latest theater still under construction.
I had all the same questions being asked in this thread in regards to black level, motion, etc. when going digital. My research (and budget) led me to the JVC D-ILA. I have played with it a bit and made several adjustments to the image. I am very happy with the performance as I do not notice any motion blur, however, the black level is NOT on par with the NEC XG but close. I think I can get it there with a slightly grey screen. I have several scenes I demo and the JVC is not quite there yet but close enough to make digital the way to go this time around as it fits the space better, its quieter and all around more convenient. My tinkering and converging days are over.


Hi Torre, I don't get in here much any more, to much work, so spare time is at a premium these days...but yeah, when the XG FsTB, my room is so dark you can't see anything move. At this point in my life I don't really need that anymore, but the fact is, with a little help (that Darbee is really great) the CRT's are still amazingly good.
I agree, my tweaking days are over...I am going to run these tubes another 1,000 hours or so then I will move to a JVC.
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by tanwn1 View Post

Ok so if I decide to go digital which should I get? A sony w1100 or jvc x500/700. Which is better for dark scene, 4k, 3d etc?

JVC X500 better price and wow picture also.smile.gif

Then if you are a CRT man.

And I see that allot of people will not drop the CRT black level is still best, for me let them say so. That is okay and we like what we like. But here someone ask what is the best digital if I want to go digital. And I try to answer after my eyes side by side and that is more value than I have seen this but have not done a real setup side by side. And many many hours behind 2 PJ together.
They who say probably seen a jvc in one place and gone home and watched the CRT afterwords. And just remembering one scene on the CRT like I did hehe.
And that will newer change, and it does not for me still today. But when you check the same image you see something else. And when it's so close in total black or even better for me it's not a point at all to try to cover the fact. And remember that is the only visible thing when watching movie that a CRT is better than most god digitalis today.
People also say motion is better. My answer is then have you tested this side by side? Forget numbers and what it's say in the manual.
The motion is the same or better in movie BD. then if you use a lumagen+ to use 72hz for better motion on CRT. If not the digital is better tested, end of story. All high end digital uses 72hz or 96hz today.
And have motion extra on the PJ low medium or high and yes if you use extra motion you can see some artifacts and some do not like that. But the total picture feeling in a movie gets better after what I like. But without a lumagen + a CRT is not better with motion. This in my eyes. And say the opposite I do not care, I seen what I have seen.
Black total black...I have tested this side by side, and CRT is black as hell, but also weaker detail because of less light punch . And easy to see black crush. The jvc x500 does this brilliant and black is like the black bars on my screen. If it's not, then the image is not total black. On a CRT maybe but wrong.
black level on the x500 and x700 is deeper and new iris technology makes it even better near dark. But need to have the iris on. Then to get it totally black. Distance form PJ to screen is also important, because to close you can se that it's not 100% dark like a CRT in total black scenes. But put the finger in the earth and ask yourselves how many seconds in a movie will it be better on a CRT? That's up to you.
This CRT and digital have different technologies and of course different.
The jvc Gives the same feeling like a CRT when shutdown and in super dark scenes. And have the near dark CRT feeling in extreme dark scenes. And also remember that ansicontrast or intrascene contrast is so much higher on the jvc that it's not comparable. Also more light punch, Sharper images closer to the source, and better debth. Also the pixel gap is now being better on the JVC, and when using e-shift more CRT feeling because of no visible pixels even very close to screen. Because of more light punch also more clean colors, and that CRT have better colors is for be a old fact.

So short version and the reason for this answer... today 2014 best advise if you want to go digital and have CRT. Best value for the money is the and you be pleased the jvcX500. Fact
Edited by Dj Dee - 3/25/14 at 3:44am
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by Torre View Post

Haha.
Nope. Not quite as dark as CRT but almost there! With my CRT you could not see someone walk in front of you during a "black" scene. With the JVC you can make out someone else in the theater but just barely.

Witch jvc do you own? If the x500 how far from screen? And what settings on iris and iris after the lamp?
post #46 of 51
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Originally Posted by KennyG View Post

Hi Torre, I don't get in here much any more, to much work, so spare time is at a premium these days...but yeah, when the XG FsTB, my room is so dark you can't see anything move. At this point in my life I don't really need that anymore, but the fact is, with a little help (that Darbee is really great) the CRT's are still amazingly good.
I agree, my tweaking days are over...I am going to run these tubes another 1,000 hours or so then I will move to a JVC.

I hear you. Life gets in the way doesn't it?
I think you'd be thrilled with the JVC. I would never go back to CRT now. This projector is superior in every way except black level but it's close enough to be a wash and if you have ANY ambient light, you'd probably not notice.
Take care.
post #47 of 51
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Originally Posted by Dj Dee View Post

Witch jvc do you own? If the x500 how far from screen? And what settings on iris and iris after the lamp?

RS4910 sitting approx. 18 ft. from a 123" matte white screen. I can't remember the settings. The projector is back in its box until the construction is finished. I did some trials with samples of grey screen material and the JVC was inky black so I may go this route.
post #48 of 51
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Originally Posted by Torre View Post

I hear you. Life gets in the way doesn't it?
I think you'd be thrilled with the JVC. I would never go back to CRT now. This projector is superior in every way except black level but it's close enough to be a wash and if you have ANY ambient light, you'd probably not notice.
Take care.

Except black level?

How much do you think this reflects on the screen from 3,5-5 m ? And I tested against cine 9, 909 reality and they were not better black level in film and even when no info.
post #49 of 51
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Originally Posted by Torre View Post

RS4910 sitting approx. 18 ft. from a 123" matte white screen. I can't remember the settings. The projector is back in its box until the construction is finished. I did some trials with samples of grey screen material and the JVC was inky black so I may go this route.

Then I'm shore settings were not right, see picture you understand. I measured the vw1000 against the x500 in total black, where CRT have a benefit and my jvc was 7 timers better in just this near total darkness scene. And in film black level, no CRT can compare with the vw1000 or the jvc x500 or higher.
Edited by Dj Dee - 3/25/14 at 9:28am
post #50 of 51
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Originally Posted by Dj Dee View Post

Except black level?

How much do you think this reflects on the screen from 3,5-5 m ? And I tested against cine 9, 909 reality and they were not better black level in film and even when no info.

Not sure. To give you an idea of the amount of black I am referring to. Just the red LED on the top of the JVC projector puts out more light to the screen than the NEC XG CRT projector.
Don't get me wrong. We are splitting hairs here. I am completely satisfied with the JVC.
post #51 of 51
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Originally Posted by Torre View Post

Not sure. To give you an idea of the amount of black I am referring to. Just the red LED on the top of the JVC projector puts out more light to the screen than the NEC XG CRT projector.
Don't get me wrong. We are splitting hairs here. I am completely satisfied with the JVC.

No probe just can't say I feel the same here. Much less than a led lamp.
And in my cinema I can't see May hand or the room when turning black.
And I also have a supernova DLP core 2 and that also helps a lot.
Edited by Dj Dee - 3/25/14 at 10:18am
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