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Dell Perc H310/H200

post #1 of 38
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I've been doing a lot of testing with crossflashing the Dell cards and I've come across an issue that seems to affect every H310 and H200 when running the Dell 6Gbps SAS HBA firmware. One of the issues being that LSI's software doesn't recognize it as IT mode firmware. Not really a big deal. The other issue though is that upon reboot of the server I saw 1 or more errors saying that one of the ports failed. This causes the adapter to be reset. I didn't think it was a big deal at first but I was able to generate that error repeatedly under heavy load and was actually able to corrupt multiple FlexRAID arrays during testing. It didn't seem to corrupt any data but the FlexRAID configuration needed to be recreated and parity recalculated. I also saw the adapters reset a couple times during the parity calculations which also caused corruption in the configuration.

That being said the cards don't seem to present any issues so far running the P16 or P17 LSI firmware. I've seen the guide I was working on mentioned a couple times here and it seems to be the general consensus around the various forums that the Dell 6Gbps SAS HBA firmware is the proper method for these H310 and H200 cards. I'm obviously not agreeing with that anymore. Fortunately it's an easy flash to P17 from within Windows with the P7 sas2flash.exe.

I've had a lot of people hit me up in PM about purchasing these cards pre-flashed from me and I'll be ready to sell them again in a day or so after some more thorough testing. Luckily I've only sold these so far to people I know locally so I was able to pay them a visit and update their cards for them.
post #2 of 38
Interesting find. Keep us posted.

Mfusick - just to let you know, both of your cards are flashed LSI P16
post #3 of 38
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Interesting find. Keep us posted.

Mfusick - just to let you know, both of your cards are flashed LSI P16

So I'm good or not ?

So far no issues. biggrin.gif. I've completed verification and validations and updates on flexraid and I've added several TBs of data to me server ....

So... I'm happy so far so good biggrin.gif
post #4 of 38
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

So I'm good or not ?

So far no issues. biggrin.gif. I've completed verification and validations and updates on flexraid and I've added several TBs of data to me server ....

So... I'm happy so far so good biggrin.gif

Yeah you should be good. I haven't been able to reproduce any issues with the P16 or P17 firmware.
post #5 of 38
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Be the coolest dork on the block with this HBA!





post #6 of 38
Lol.

Nice biggrin.gif
post #7 of 38
That HSF looks familiar... mad.gif
post #8 of 38
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That HSF looks familiar... mad.gif

LOL I had those heatsinks shipped to itznfb's shop and when I took the first one out of the box it had a piece of plastic covering that crappy sticky thermal tape on the bottom. I peeled off the plastic and stuck it to his face.... it was stickier than I though tongue.gif There was a little blood.
post #9 of 38
Lol
post #10 of 38
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So I haven't been able to get any conclusive data on whether that blue heatsink and fan actually decreased the operating temperature of the chip itself. Using an infrared thermometer on the backside of the board and as close to the IHS as possible I can say that both of those locations run about 2c cooler with the blue heatsink and fan than the stock heatsink. I expected a bigger difference considering with little air moving across that stock heatsink it became so hot under full load I was able to melt the skin off my finger by touching it. The blue heatsink is cool to the touch. So either the fan is getting rid of the heat very efficiently or the blue heatsink isn't dissipating any of the heat from the chip and it's way over spec temp.... I don't think that's the case though. Just from experience in these temperature locations from other chips like CPU and GPU I can make an educated guess that the chip is running between 5~7c cooler than the stock heatsink and that in a basic mid/full-tower case with moderate positive air pressure air flow the chip runs very close to or at max rated operating temp of 55c.
post #11 of 38
All these cards run super hot. I burned my hand in my IBM 1015 when I removed it. (seriously) It was hot enough to hurt.
post #12 of 38
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In a proper server chassis (with fans that run front to back) the airflow hits the heatsink correctly and the heatsink is cool to the touch. On the closest spot to the IHS it runs about ~15c cooler. With that direction and volume of air flow it can run mid normal operating temperature. I would speculate running at max operating temperature all the time would shorten it's lifespan quite a bit. That may not be a concern though as they seem to last forever to begin with.
post #13 of 38
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In a proper server chassis (with fans that run front to back) the airflow hits the heatsink correctly and the heatsink is cool to the touch. On the closest spot to the IHS it runs about ~15c cooler. With that direction and volume of air flow it can run mid normal operating temperature. I would speculate running at max operating temperature all the time would shorten it's lifespan quite a bit. That may not be a concern though as they seem to last forever to begin with.

Funny you say this.. mine run pretty hot and I have a Norco 4220 that runs front to back:







If I am using my server or reading drives (like parity update) they are HOT to the touch and will burn you. When the server is idle they are still warm, even if nothing is being used for hours.

The IBM burnt me. No joke. It was super hot. Then again it died when I went to reinstall so IDK ?? Perhaps it got possessed and self destructed. tongue.gif
post #14 of 38
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Maybe that cable octopus crawling out of that black box is blocking your airflow? tongue.gif

How much air do those fans move though? They look like normal Xigmatek fans so I'm guessing around ~80cfm tops? For reference I have Delta AFB1212GHE-CF00 fans in my server that push over 200cfm. I'm not saying everyone should run those in their home server because they have an HBA but that is the type of airflow the cards are designed to work with.

That sign made me literally laugh out loud by the way.
post #15 of 38
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Maybe that cable octopus crawling out of that black box is blocking your airflow? tongue.gif

How much air do those fans move though? They look like normal Xigmatek fans so I'm guessing around ~80cfm tops? For reference I have Delta AFB1212GHE-CF00 fans in my server that push over 200cfm. I'm not saying everyone should run those in their home server because they have an HBA but that is the type of airflow the cards are designed to work with.

That sign made me literally laugh out loud by the way.

lol. I was easy to do.. I already had the case off it (cover) biggrin.gif

Rats nest of wires ? tongue.gif You think I am rich ? You don't like my 550watt non modular rosewill PSU I got for $37.50 ??? biggrin.gif (Captone / Superflower OEM)

I had the standard norco 80mm fans but they sounded like Jet engines so yeah.. I swapped out the fan blade with 120mm fans. The air flow is reduced, but my HDD's are cool and my CPU temps and Mobo temps are cool too. Even with the top off the case, those cards are always hot. I can spray them with compressed air to cool them down and they got hot right away again. It's not my set up--- it's the cards. They just run hot.
post #16 of 38
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lol. I was easy to do.. I already had the case off it (cover) biggrin.gif

Rats nest of wires ? tongue.gif You think I am rich ? You don't like my 550watt non modular rosewill PSU I got for $37.50 ??? biggrin.gif (Captone / Superflower OEM)

I had the standard norco 80mm fans but they sounded like Jet engines so yeah.. I swapped out the fan blade with 120mm fans. The air flow is reduced, but my HDD's are cool and my CPU temps and Mobo temps are cool too. Even with the top off the case, those cards are always hot. I can spray them with compressed air to cool them down and they got hot right away again. It's not my set up--- it's the cards. They just run hot.

Well yeah. The fans I have can be heard from any room in the house. But the cards run cool smile.gif
I had a space in my basement that I somewhat "soundproofed" to keep my server and networking gear. Now I can only hear them when I'm actually in the basement.
post #17 of 38
I have (2) stock spare Norco 80mm fans blades that came with two brand new Norco 4220 cases that I modded to 120mm fan blades.

If you or anyone you know ever needs or wants them let me know. They are collecting dust for me.
post #18 of 38
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I'm sure someone could use them. I have boxes of fans though.


On a side note I've found more issues. With drivers this time. Windows seems to pick a driver at random for this card. 1 of 4.
1) 6Gbps SAS HBA
2) Dell 6Gbps SAS HBA
3) LSI Adapter, SAS2 2008 Falcon
4) LSI Adapter, SAS2 2008 Falcon - StorPort



Not really paying attention to this at first I started seeing more errors.

These are the errors I'm seeing:
Code:
Log Name:      System
Source:        LSI_SAS2
Date:          9/7/2013 4:53:14 PM
Event ID:      11
Task Category: None
Level:         Error
Keywords:      Classic
Description:
The driver detected a controller error on \Device\RaidPort1.
<Provider Name="LSI_SAS2" />
    <EventID Qualifiers="49156">11</EventID>
    <Level>2</Level>
    <Task>0</Task>
    <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>

I was seeing these errors plus random BSOD's linked to the LSI_SAS2 driver on one test machine and no errors on another test machine.

On the first machine with BSOD's I see this:



On the second machine with no errors I see this:



I tried the 1) 6Gbps SAS HBA driver and it also caused BSOD's. I tried the 2) Dell 6Gbps SAS HBA driver and it caused the same errors but no BSOD's. Only the 4) LSI Adapter, SAS2 2008 Falcon - StorPort driver seems to be stable in all testing. The LSI P16/17 firmware plus the Falcon - StorPort seems to be the winning combination.

In talking with a few people online and a few people I know here locally I've found several people that have been having these errors and/or BSOD's. They all basically said they just dealt with it.... really? That would drive me insane. It drives me insane when I see it happen on my test boxes. I'm surprised this haven't come up more often though.
post #19 of 38
I run a Dell SAS6/iR HBA in my homebrew WHS2011 using Dell drivers. It's manages two 2.5" SATA drives in a RAID1 for the boot disk. Never skipped a beat, and has been totally reliable. It's just running the current Dell firmware though. I've never even thought about x-flashing it. I know a lot did with the IBM SATA controller though.
post #20 of 38
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For anyone interested I put up a few cards in the Classified section.
post #21 of 38
Matt, did both types of Dell cards give this error? And with which version of the firmware? In an earlier post I recall someone stating that the P16 was the one to use, but I can't find my bookmark for it ATM. Wondering if that makes a difference for some reason.
I just picked up a pair of the H310 to flash. Should be here next week.
post #22 of 38
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They did but it seems more consistent on the H310. I've had two H310's running in a media server for a couple weeks now though without any issues. P17 firmware with the P16 storport driver seems pretty solid. If you don't see the Falcon StorPort driver listed then download the P16 drivers for the 9211-8i and update through device manager. It should add it to the selection list.



I'm going to update my guide with the steps to flash from the Dell 6Gbps SAS HBA firmware to the LSI P17 firmware. You need an older version of sas2flash though.
post #23 of 38
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I've made a major update to my blog post to include the steps for updating to the P17 firmware and updating the driver if needed. I also linked a new package with all the necessary tools. http://www.mediafire.com/download/ukhbhrqj4sh6lzq/LSI-9211-8i.zip

http://techmattr.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/sas-hba-crossflashing-or-flashing-to-it-mode/
post #24 of 38
Thanks very much for the updates; I'll give them a try as soon as the cards arrive.
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I've had two H310's running in a media server for a couple weeks now though without any issues.

You have two flashed cards running in the same server? I've read here, from people who are far more experienced than I that you can only run one on a given computer. So, I'm safe to do this with the Dell's?

Mfusick said he had a Dell and an IBM running in the same machine at one stage, and I hoped to do this as well, rather than pony up the $350 for an IBM RES2SV240 to get more drive capacity than the mobo and a single HBA can provide.
post #25 of 38
Many of us run more than one HBA.

On your Z77 Extreme4 I believe you will need Bios 2.20 or newer.
post #26 of 38
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Thanks very much for the updates; I'll give them a try as soon as the cards arrive.
You have two flashed cards running in the same server? I've read here, from people who are far more experienced than I that you can only run one on a given computer. So, I'm safe to do this with the Dell's?

Mfusick said he had a Dell and an IBM running in the same machine at one stage, and I hoped to do this as well, rather than pony up the $350 for an IBM RES2SV240 to get more drive capacity than the mobo and a single HBA can provide.

There are a lot of storage controllers out there that can't run two in the same machine. These SAS2008 cards had that issue back when they were first released but it seems a firmware upgrade at some point resolved that. ASMedia cards and Marvell are notorious for those issues. You can also run into issue with shared PCI/e buses and not being able to run more than 1 card. But yeah you should be fine with the Dells as long as your motherboard is happy with it.

Mfusick and techmattr are both running two Dells right now I think .
post #27 of 38
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There are a lot of storage controllers out there that can't run two in the same machine. These SAS2008 cards had that issue back when they were first released but it seems a firmware upgrade at some point resolved that. ASMedia cards and Marvell are notorious for those issues. You can also run into issue with shared PCI/e buses and not being able to run more than 1 card. But yeah you should be fine with the Dells as long as your motherboard is happy with it.

Mfusick and techmattr are both running two Dells right now I think .

From what I can tell the SAS2008 cards have been without conflict since the P2 or P3 firmware. Which is shortly after it's initial release. I did scrounge up one of those older firmwares at one point in my testing and the system would only detect 1 card.
post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by Andy_Steb View Post

Many of us run more than one HBA.

On your Z77 Extreme4 I believe you will need Bios 2.20 or newer.

+1.Yup biggrin.gif

I now run two of these Dell cards on my Z77 Asrock Extreme 3 (and I needed to update my Bios to make it work )

Updating the bios is pretty easy with the bios flash from Asrock. No troubles there (at least for me)
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From what I can tell the SAS2008 cards have been without conflict since the P2 or P3 firmware. Which is shortly after it's initial release. I did scrounge up one of those older firmwares at one point in my testing and the system would only detect 1 card.

So what is the definitive solution ? My Dell cards (2 of them) seem to be working excellent in my server so I would recommend this card to anyone with a similar set up to mine. As far as flashing details, Andy knows better than me. I'd love to learn or know the proper process though- just for future knowledge.
post #29 of 38
I seem to get only a fraction of thread notifications, so sorry for the slow reply.
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Originally Posted by Andy_Steb View Post

Many of us run more than one HBA.

On your Z77 Extreme4 I believe you will need Bios 2.20 or newer.
Thanks for that. I'll do that as soon as I build it.
Originally, I planned to build the server first, but the workstation became flaky, so I did that first. I'm going to start the server later today and work on the W8 annoyances I discovered after installing it on the new WSPC.

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Originally Posted by itznfb View Post

There are a lot of storage controllers out there that can't run two in the same machine. These SAS2008 cards had that issue back when they were first released but it seems a firmware upgrade at some point resolved that. ASMedia cards and Marvell are notorious for those issues. You can also run into issue with shared PCI/e buses and not being able to run more than 1 card. But yeah you should be fine with the Dells as long as your motherboard is happy with it.

Mfusick and techmattr are both running two Dells right now I think .
I bought a cheap Asmedia card for the old WSPC, and it gave no end of issues, even with just it installed. About 2/3 of the time it would not display attached drives after recovering from sleep. I bought a USB dock instead which has been much better to get me two more drives, reliably in the short term.

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From what I can tell the SAS2008 cards have been without conflict since the P2 or P3 firmware. Which is shortly after it's initial release. I did scrounge up one of those older firmwares at one point in my testing and the system would only detect 1 card.
IIRC (I'll check the bookmarked post in a mo) the firmware you suggested was P6, so it should be OK.

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+1.Yup biggrin.gif

I now run two of these Dell cards on my Z77 Asrock Extreme 3 (and I needed to update my Bios to make it work )

Updating the bios is pretty easy with the bios flash from Asrock. No troubles there (at least for me)
So what is the definitive solution ? My Dell cards (2 of them) seem to be working excellent in my server so I would recommend this card to anyone with a similar set up to mine. As far as flashing details, Andy knows better than me. I'd love to learn or know the proper process though- just for future knowledge.
I will update the bios and use techmattr's instructions for flashing the Dell's and both of yours for flashing the M1015. I ended up with 2 H310 and an M1015 and have been offered another M1015 pulled from a new machine for some (easy) electrical work. I don't need it, but my brother has been watching my progress with these builds and is interested in a server for his side business (house CAD design). If not it's a good spare or can be sold.

Because I buy stuff when it's on special, I've ended up with a pair of Z77 Extreme boards, a 3 and a 4. Plan was for the 4 for the server and 3 for the HTPC, but as Mfusick has had the Dell and the IBM working on the one board, I'm thinking the x8/x8/x4 architecture of the 3 might allow all 3 HBAs for potentially a 30 drive total (1 OS, 4 parity, 25 data) as I'd like this build to have 6 year lifespan and can see me needing that much in that time, based upon 3TB drives and my purchase rate of discs (I bought 20 this week).
post #30 of 38
I don't think it matters much which board for which... You don't need the sata ports on the HTPC use the 3 for that. The boards are basically the same.

I have a Z77 PRO I think in my HTPC (3570k)

I have a Z87 Extreme 4 in my desktop.

The Dell and the IBM both worked installed into my Z87 (without any bios upgrades) as I tried it when it would not work on my server before I upgraded the bios.
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